5th time the charm reacted to DrOzuma in Accepted/Rejected/Waitlisted??? (for current applicants)
wGPA: somewhere between 3.93-3.94
MCAT: above cutoffs
Essays: make these bad boys as personal as possible while focusing on the clusters they have on their website
Interview: cried myself to sleep after this one, was surprised it wasn't a straight rejection. I interviewed on Feb 8th, and honestly I am not the strongest interviewer at all so I wish I just had more time to prepare. If I were to give any tips, it would be to try to add structure to your answers, but at the same time toronto really values personal examples so make sure to incorporate them when possible.
Year: graduated last year!
References: idk if itll be relevant but I am pretty sure I had some of the best references out there.
Again, surprised to be waitlisted and not rejected but either way I got into my top choice so I am a happy man!
5th time the charm reacted to Cetirizine2020 in Accepted/Rejected/Waitlisted??? (for current applicants)
Long time lurker, first time poster lol! Sorry if it's a little late, just overwhelmed!
Result: Accepted VFMP
Early or Regular Deadline: Regular
Timestamp: 10:55 AM PST
AGPA: 89% (last year's score)
AQ: 28.97 (last year's score)
NAQ: 29.33 (last year's score)
EC's - Mainly volunteered throughout the school year with clubs, as well as some within the community. Lots of research. Listed a lot of hobbies as well (mainly music, scuba diving, etc). Worked in a few research labs as well as in a pharmacy.
Interview: Felt better than last year's, but was still unsure after finishing. Few stations I still cringe thinking about it lol. I liked the writing station being part of the mmi circuit rather than being after.
Year: BSc 2017
This was my 4th application cycle, and 4th interview, after being waitlisted last year. Definitely was going to be my last time applying, so glad it all worked out!
5th time the charm reacted to ShadesofCyan in Accepted/Rejected/Waitlisted??? (for current applicants)
Result: Accepted VFMP
Timestamp: May 13th, 10:55 AM
Degree: BSc Honours (and an Arts Diploma from years ago)
Early or Regular Deadline: Regular (I really don't think this matters as long as you sign up for your interview right away)
EC's: Many long-term work experiences. Worked directly with clients with disabilities, worked in a doctor's office, had many other jobs as well. Honours research and 2 poster presentations. Executive Member of 2 university clubs, event first aid volunteer experiences, 2 years non-profit volunteering, 3 years hospital volunteering, also included information about my involvement in musical theatre, other hobbies and travel.
Interview: This interview felt really good overall. I did not feel like I had a bad station and I enjoyed the shorter writing station. I'm happy to provide insight on some of the strategies that worked for me.
I submitted many medical school applications over the years to schools across Canada. I wrote the MCAT multiple times. I did CASPER many times. I did 3 applications to UBC Med and had 3 interviews at UBC and an out of province interview.
UBC 2018: Regrets after interview.
UBC 2019: Waitlisted. I was dreading looking at other options but I was also getting so tired of the application process.
UBC 2020: Accepted. Third time was the charm for me! I cannot believe I have been accepted and it really did feel as good as I had dreamed it would. If you want to message me with questions please feel comfortable to reach out. Keep in mind that myself and the other people who were accepted do not know what the admissions team really wants. We can only share our experiences and give our best guesses. I really think there is some luck involved. The application process is extremely competitive and I know so many people who would have made fantastic doctors who didn't get in. If you think medicine is what you really want make sure you ask yourself why. If this process is getting to be too much and you just really want to help people there are other options in health care... nursing, physiotherapy, occupational therapy, respiratory therapy, pharmacy, physicians assistant, counselling etc. That being said I am thrilled that I didn't give up and I feel that medicine is the right fit for me.
Those in-between years can also be a really amazing and powerful time. Make sure you are filling your time with activities you enjoy and not just doing things that will look good on your application. Life is too short for that. I had jobs I loved and that gave me new insights into myself and others. I also had time to travel and for my hobbies and friends. I don't regret that it took me a few tries to get into medical school because now I am so ready to take on this journey. I am honoured to be a part of the Class of 2024!
5th time the charm reacted to bruh in 2020 Waitlist Thread
Hey everyone. I just wanted to say that I have been in your position and I vividly remember the excruciating pain I went through the summer of 2018 being on Ottawa’s good waitlist. With it being the only waitlist I was on (I got rejected from UofC post interview) I felt the pressure. After all this hard work you have put in, you really need it to work out this time. Thinking of all the work you have to put in all over again this year if you’re not accepted is a daunting thought.
I actually never made it off of Ottawa’s good waitlist (wGPA: 3.92). It seemed that they went through the waitlist until 3.93 that year and nearly reached my timestamp (off by 00:00:12) but it wasn’t enough. That shit hurt man. To add to the pain, I never got an interview again from Ottawa in the following years. In fact in 2019 I didn’t get any interviews from any med school. I thought that I had lost my only chance of getting in. Nonetheless, in 2020 I got invited and accepted to UofT.
So, I’m here to tell you to be hopeful but also realistic and strong. Yes, there is a chance you will make it off the waitlist but beware of putting too much faith in the good waitlist. Plan this summer and fall properly and prepare yourself in the event that you never get off the waitlist. Bad waitlist is a polite rejection. Not a single person has gotten off the bad waitlist in recent years, so it would have to be a miracle for it to happen.
The timestamp theory does have some merit to it. I was very involved in tracking it and once the waitlist offers came out in 2018 we saw that it corresponded to timestamps based on the GPA, except some outliers. One thing I will mention is that some people calculate their wGPA wrong and it could be the reason for those outliers.
Either way, stay strong, hopeful and realistic regardless of what happens. You’re going to be a doctor one day, don’t lose hope.
5th time the charm reacted to TheFlyGuy in Accepted/Rejected/Waitlisted??? (for current applicants)
Result: Accepted (Mississauga) @ 9:30am
GPA: 3.86 (or 3.94 if EE went through to give me wGPA)
MCAT: 517 (127/128/131/131)
Degree: PhD complete
E.C: Mainly research focused (10+ publications, 5 first-author, mentorship, TA-ing etc), but some other typical premed experiences too, including some decent clinical exposure.
Essays: Probably took a few weeks to a month. Got input from others which is always helpful, but I agree with what people say in terms of making them genuine & personal, gotta tie in examples you can really connect to to make it happen.
Interview: In-person. Felt pretty ok about it, though some parts were much better than others; was really hard to gauge how interviewers felt @ U of T imo. Nothing too off the wall though.
Will likely be accepting because Toronto's always been the dream, but wanna give other schools a fair look as well before committing. Good luck to the waitlist gang getting off, and even to those rejected; this was my fourth cycle and the first time I received any interviews, so if it's the dream don't throw in the towel. There's a ton of luck (even without a lottery involved) and sometimes it just takes perseverance more than anything.
Looking forward to (likely) meeting the UofT crowd in the fall!
5th time the charm reacted to LostLamb in The process is taking it's toll...
I have never gotten around to writing my “story” but if you read my very old posts you will probably piece it together.
I am in my last six months of residency (as a subspecialist) of my life and am thrilled that I stuck things out for 5 (non consecutive) application cycles. I am going to do with my life what I literally have always wanted to do—provide medical and psychiatric care for people with developmental disabilities and mental health across the lifespan—I just didn’t know it was a thing when I was very young. I just knew by having and living with a sibling with significant special needs that it was something missing for that vulnerable part of society...and their families.
Truly, to tolerate the uncertainty of a future career in medicine you need to continue with your life, alternate plans, and put the noise of naysayers out of your mind.
many people, family included, spoke directly or behind my back about “why doesn’t she give up?”. Since working toward this goal was not costing them or affecting them in any way, I couldn’t figure out what business they had to speak this way....and ignoring that chatter was very healthy for me but also gave me pause to regularly reflect on whether or not this was what I truly wanted. I am fortunate that both my parents understood and fully supported my goal. You need someone in your wheelhouse—and maybe it’s just us on the forum, but that’s something and may be all you need.
Many meander through life unsure of what they want, what the point is, and very unhappy. Having dreams and goals help immensely, but they must also be tempered with a dose of reality. Sometimes you just can’t afford another MCAT or degree, Or your family or medical situation dictates that you need to work or take time off, and this you’ll press pause on this goal.
The key is that you do not define yourself and your success by a singular outcome, and that you continue to seek growth and build mastery and obtain fulfillment whatever the situation you’re in. And at some point you’ll get into medicine, or you won’t and you’ll find another way of living meaningfully and contently.
All the best to all of you, I get how you feel and I have much confidence you’ll all “make it” somehow—whatever that ends up meaning!
LL (the shrink who almost became a high school teacher)
5th time the charm reacted to rmorelan in Western Accepted/Waitlisted/Rejected 2019-2020
Ha - yes it is - which is why it is particular fun this year watching all the incoming class about to start the journey I began when I got accepted 11(!) years ago
This really is a marathon in the end. They next step will be one of the more challenging ones but hopefully just as rewarding.
5th time the charm reacted to rmorelan in Western Accepted/Waitlisted/Rejected 2019-2020
again - they have ALMOST always cleared it. there is an extremely high chance they will clear it, and that is there goal in fact
I will keep this thread clean to have raw stats for people so try to move discussion to another thread - thanks!
5th time the charm reacted to DrOzuma in Western Waitlist Party 2019-2020
hey! i was in your position last year and god i know how you (and probs everyone here) feels: down, annoyed, frustrated at this process, and sad. but trust me, youre NOT the only swomen applicant that got low waitlisted, its just for me i was so disappointed i couldnt bring myself to post about it. its really easy to look around you and think "wow everyone except me succeeded. i must be a terrible applicant. i will never get another interview ever again", but (i cant stress this enough) this is NOT the case. you must be exceptional to even get an interview and therefore the interview will come again! its also possible you had a bad interview bc of nerves/ the panel you got, but also speaking from experience interviewing is a skill you can learn.
take this experience and learn from it and you come back stronger next year. if youre at western(?) the peer mock interviewers offered by the success centre were a great resource for the this 2nd time around and it really helped me hone my interview skills and i attribute my acceptance this year honestly all to them. feel free to DM me if you need any advice/just need someone to rant to i would love to chat
5th time the charm reacted to dontRme in McMaster Accepted/Waitlisted/Rejected 2019-2020
I know there's a lot of hate going around lately with McMaster's decision to go with a lottery system, and I just wanted to share my perspective on it, since I know a lot of people are worried that the class of '23 will be stigmatized because of this or see it as unfair. As a disclaimer, this is just my point of view on it, and I recognize that being accepted may make it seem as though I'm just trying to justify it because I got in - and I'm sure to some extent that's true. But for what it's worth, I started to change my perspective around Sunday evening, during the time with (thanks to the buttongate lmao) I was convinced I was getting rejected.
When the announcement first came out, my emotions went from confused, to baffled, to really effing angry in the span of a couple hours. I couldn't believe that everything was coming down to luck after everything. I was thinking that even though through interviews people typically have a 30-70% (ish) chance of getting in, of course I convinced myself that my chances would be better since I was prepared(TM). But after the emotions cleared and I really started to think about it, I realized that every other of the 540 incredibly qualified interviewees would be thinking the exact same thing. We often hear about how so much of the application process boils down to luck, but I think that the label of 'lottery' was so infuriating because it took away the illusion that we had more control over the process than we really do. Obviously, this system isn't perfect either; the top 100 pre-interview scored applicants obviously wouldn't have been guaranteed admission, but definitely had a higher chance than the rest of the lot based on historical trends reflecting their scores.
For those arguing that McMaster should have gone with virtual interviews, I understand the logic - I shared the same thinking too. However, I think not having virtual interviews was actually more fair than having them would have been... hear me out. While of course the assessors would have tried to remain as objective as possible, there are some things that of course would affect how they perceive you. Total technical failure aside, imagine this: two people performed very similarly on the interview, but one had connection issues that caused their video/audio to cut in and out or be very choppy. Of course it would be harder to understand them, and naturally frustration that stems from that could easily impact the interviewer's mindset, and by extension, their perception of the interview. Not only this, but while I myself am very fortunate to be able to say that I could have gone ahead with a virtual interview no problem, there are many more who are much more severely impacted by COVID - people close to them sick/dying, mental health concerns given the abruptly changing world, etc. Is it fair to say that they should have to suck it up and try to give their peak performance when they're dealing with so much?
Finally, one thing that really helped me handle the panic was the guaranteed interview next year. I recognize that this will cause somewhat of a disruption to the application process next year, but chances are, many of those who got an interview this year are already likely to get another one next year regardless, given that they were already in the top tier this year. If anything, while I'm thrilled that they are, I think that McMaster could have justifiably gotten away without doing so. While not perfect, in the end we as interviewees really did have about the same chance now as we would have otherwise, and guaranteeing an interview next year, if anything, actually makes those chances better for those of us that sadly didn't make it this year. The same number of people would have gotten rejected/waitlisted even with interviews, but had the circumstances not changed, there's no guarantee that these all would have gotten an interview again next year.
Again, I realize that this is just my perspective on it, and I had to really spend a lot of time thinking it over to realize that it wasn't actually that far off from how the selection process would have been. And for anyone worried that the class will be stigmatized, keep in mind: every single one of the applicants that made it to interviews is incredibly qualified and deserves to get in. Unfortunately, there will always be more of us than the classes can accommodate, and until the medical school admissions process (for every school) finds a better solution to this, it will always be, to some extent, a lottery.
I hope this helps. Keep working hard, friends - in the end, a year is nothing when you're looking at a 40+ year dream career!
5th time the charm reacted to hedgehog's fox in UofT Accepted/Waitlisted/Rejected 2020
Timestamp: May 12th 9:21am
wGPA/cGPA: wGPA 3.88
MCAT: 517 (129 CARS)
ECs: Pretty type for U of T; very research heavy - 3 first author paper (submitted on Sept 31 2019), multiple conference presentation (poster/oral), research abroad. Mediocre volunteering - hospital, crisis line, mentoring. Some leadership experiences required for work.
Essays: Took about a month to work on them. Wrote mainly about personal experiences. Asked many friends and coworkers (doctors, med students, researchers) to read them over.
Interview: I felt good about 1 station, normal about the other two, and really really bad for the last one. I walked out the last one 100% certain I wasn't going to get in.
In-person or Virtual: In-person
Year: Finished grad school and currently working
I am still in shock that I got given my gpa. This was my 4th time applying and 2nd time interviewing at U of T. U of T was also my only interview this year so I was quite sure I'll have to reapply again this year before today. This journey of application, rejection, application (repeat) has been a quite valuable experience as it helped me built character and I've met really incredible people along the way. I am really grateful for this experience, and finally getting in to my dream school feels incredibly rewarding. I really look forward to meeting all my fellow U of T classmates in-person/virtually this fall!
5th time the charm reacted to Bambi in Fourth year med student answering questions!
Being motivated for the ultimate goal is important, although the process, the journey is so very important, The applications, to be competitive, are akin to hurdle running where you need to be fit and have stamina, constantly training so that running and jumping each hurdle is second nature. Matching into a residency program is not the light at the end of the tunnel, rather it is jumping another hurdle as you keep running and jumping hurdles in the immediate future and throughout your career. You must enjoy the process while keeping an eye on the next goal, otherwise life will not be fulfilling personally and professionally in my view.Med school is one stage, followed by other stages. Sure, matching is so very important, followed by 5 years of incredibly hard and rewarding work, followed by fellowship and/or employment.
I decided on my specialty as a kid, however, late in med school, I realized I could be happy in 3 different fields, so I applied to all of them, was interviewed by all, including the specialty I had wanted as a child, and was selected in a small surgical specialty program where I was the least qualified of my 3 equal choices and the least qualified interviewee. I would have been happy in any of these 3 fields. I only decided upon the field where I was selected one week before the deadline for CaRMS applications, my experience was minimal, in your language, it was not cohesive, yet I was selected on the basis that I was deemed a good fit based upon my collaborative, hard working, friendly manner during my elective and not one gunner was selected. Many factors are involved, including luck!
5th time the charm reacted to hehe123 in McMaster Accepted/Waitlisted/Rejected 2019-2020
I don't feel like there is a need to prove anyone right or wrong here. Don't get me wrong - your opinion is valued, but there exists a line in which it can be seen that you're shaming/disrespecting those that accept the Mac offer...
I mean all the respect when I say this, but if you don't like the way Mac conducted their admissions this year, simply take an offer somewhere else and let it be. Let's not ruin the day for anyone, especially for those that weren't as lucky to receive multiple offers - or even an offer off the bat.
5th time the charm reacted to Stethoscopular in Picking Mac over other schools?
I am a McMaster graduate currently undergoing residency in Toronto. After skimming these posts, I can see how stressful the situation must be for current applicants. I definitely sympathize as I was once in your shoes and would like to shed some light on the situation. Currently the medical schools are in a state of disarray and there's a high degree of uncertainty in many levels of organization.
It's likely that many of you will be partaking in online classes for the start of your medical program and will probably have difficulty getting experience in a clinical setting due to the high volume of stress being placed on the medical system. It'll likely be more difficult for you given the added stress placed on your first year to decide on a career path, which was already stressful for me.
5th time the charm reacted to Organomegaly in Picking Mac over other schools?
Speaking as a senior resident in a medicine program that has also been involved in CaRMS selection. Your evaluators will NOT care the process by which you were selected for medical school. They will barely even recognize that. What will matter is your interpersonal skills and clinical competence. Period.
All medical schools will be adversely affected by COVID. This is not a Mac unique problem, Mac being a year shorter wont matter because all schools will have to contend for overlapping cohorts contending for experiences. There is only so much clinical availability for opportunities.
5th time the charm reacted to OrangeTestingApple in McMaster Accepted/Waitlisted/Rejected 2019-2020
The idea that future evaluators / physicians / CaRMS will look down upon or discriminate McMaster 2023 students because of the lottery is absurd and totally ridiculous and shows how neurotic this forum can be.
You do realize that the top 550 to begin with are perfectly qualified to be physicians and have the merits to enter medical schools?
While I disagree with the method they used to offer 300ish/550 of the applicants, this does not retract from the quality of the students nor how they will be as physicians. Most of those 550 students will likely become physicians regardless. I highly doubt selecting based on MMI would’ve changed physician quality or future prospects much at all.
The admission process in every school to begin with is, in reality, a lottery with a formula that favours those who were lucky to be in the right academic and social environments.
Please stop spreading this idea that evaluators will discriminate against perfectly qualified students 3 years down the line based on changes in admission during a fucking pandemic. They will not care whatsoever.
5th time the charm reacted to penguin1234 in McMaster Accepted/Waitlisted/Rejected 2019-2020
Result: Accepted (Hamilton)
Timestamp: 8:08 AM
CASPer: Ottawa interview so it was probably decent although I definitely did not prepare.
Year: 3rd year UG
Will be accepting!
Please stop trying to rain on other people's parade... Regardless of what you think about Mac, there are people who have their reasons for wanting to attend there or only received an offer from Mac. I feel like this is not the time to be like "rip you guys because everyone will look down on you in the future and you'll end up not matching".
Maybe I am a little biased, but I personally agree more with the statement that Mac included in their FAQ email which basically states that medical school is not the end of the journey, it's just the beginning. It matters way more what we do from this point on rather than what we did before. I'm sure that no matter how the candidates were selected this year, they will continue to learn and grow. No one is going to be applying to residency just as they are right now. I also would like to believe that residency directors will not completely ignore your application and just be like "oh they're from the lottery year, instant reject". If you were able to do just as well during medical school as all the previous years, why would it matter how you got in?
Since I have already decided that Mac was going to be my first choice, I'm just really excited right now and I know that I'll work hard in the next 3 years. So... I guess I'm not that bothered! Luck is a kind of skill as well? XD Plus, I have definitely heard other medical schools say that after a certain point, it doesn't really matter if you pick the top half or the bottom half of the candidates because they'll have to learn most of what's necessary to be a good doctor during medical school anyway (don't have a source but I'm sure I have heard it somewhere before).
5th time the charm reacted to spicydicey in McMaster Accepted/Waitlisted/Rejected 2019-2020
c2021 Medical Student at Mac here:
For everyone that got accepted today, congrats! It wasn't an easy road to get here, and it is very well deserved for you to be where you are now. If the lottery did not work out in your favour, I am sorry for how things played out - I know this isn't the most satisfactory way for the school to handle things, no matter their justification. I wish you best of luck in next year's interview cycle.
I wanted to give my opinion on some of the concerns I've seen here for anyone who might find it useful.
1) PDs/ CARMS committees will stigmatize you for being apart of this lottery cohort:
No, no one gives a shit. I promise you that. Talking to a fair share of program directors, chiefs, and staff that make up selection committees, there are many things that can make or break your application, but generally, it boils down to: how good your reference letters are, whether or not you did electives in the program you're applying to, your personal statement, and to a lesser extent, EC's like research (i.e., what's your story?). They do not give a shit that you got in because Mac used a lottery this year. Pre-interview rankings are determined using scoring scales in the aforementioned categories - that, and if you're a douchebag at meet and greets etc. The notion that you would reject a Mac offer solely because there was a lottery system this year is borderline laughable and there will be many students who would gratefully be bumped off the waitlist to take your spot. Not a single staff, resident, or upper year student who I've talked to about this since the news came out shares the sentiment that you will be disadvantaged because of the lottery.
2) Concerns around Mac's 3 year program.
Admittedly, there are disadvantages to being in a 3 year program. The biggest one and only one I've felt is that you get less elective time, which can make it difficult if you decide that you're interested in a different program than you originally thought. For the most part however, the elective time you DO get it sufficient, and the PD's I've talked to about this are fully aware that students have change of heart (which may lead to less elective time in X specialty) during clerkship, in which there are other ways to show interest in a program if that's the case (personal statement, ECs, etc.) Addressing some of the other concerns here: Not once have I felt that my shortened pre-clerkship/clerkship program put me at a disadvantage in terms of clinical performance or experience. My personal opinion is that your peers from other schools may have a larger knowledge base (having been in more lectures etc.), but this difference is extremely marginal, and imho Mac has made me a more resourceful than they are, which is arguably handier. You get plenty of time in pre-clerkship to explore different specialties as well, though I could see some impact from COVID on this. Either way, everyone eventually finds their niche, and preceptors don't really give a shit about how much you know (to an extent), as long as you perform reasonably, are keen, and have good interpersonal skills, they will be impressed. As for not having summers, you have way more than enough free time as a pre-clerk to do all the research you need. You don't need a summer just to do research for CV building, and the post-MF4 elective system is essentially a break for you as well.
There are many legitimate reasons for wanting to choose another school (and congrats if you got multiple admission offers!), but just make sure that your decision is informed and grounded in reality. Reach out to residents, med students, etc. to find out more about the school, they will gladly take time out of their day to talk with you!
I hope some of the incoming students found this useful, and I'm excited to meet you all in the fall! If you have any questions, feel free to DM me.
5th time the charm reacted to JohnGrisham in McMaster Accepted/Waitlisted/Rejected 2019-2020
A premed talking about what doctors care about <3
Not a single iota will be cared. CaRMS and residency is already a lottery in a lot of ways, so get over yourself now, otherwise you're in for a rough ride. Not a single person that matters is going to remember or care.
And its a random person of the top 500, everyone of which would be a perfectly fine doctor. You're ranting about drawing a name from a hat is a huge disservice to those that get in, and is frankly nonsensical.