Negura Bunget
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Thinking of applying to OMFS Programs in the USA?
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Not personally. But most of the time its either an institutional issue where that surgical procedure has been done by another service historically at the hospital (cosmetics, flaps, craniofacial) or a true credential issue (not having a medical degree). Thing vary from hospital to hospital.
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The slow decay of dentistry
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Western's Strengths and Weaknesses
Negura Bunget replied to HopefulDDS's topic in Dental Student General Discussions
Interesting. Those are low scores. Not even a pass for the Step 1. Your only shot really would be a 4y at that stage, which handicaps you further in terms of the number of programs available to apply to. Not sure what program that is or if they already did non-cat year(s), but that is not an anecdote to use as a bench mark for sure. There are many US applicants with scores in the 70s that go unmatched. Anecdotally, when I was interviewing some years back (12 programs), I'd say the large majority of applicants were in the 70s. The few Canadians I met along the interview trail were either -
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Western's Strengths and Weaknesses
Negura Bunget replied to HopefulDDS's topic in Dental Student General Discussions
I'm a midlevel OMFS resident at a MD-integrated 6 year program in the states and went to a US dental school. I was accepted to both UofT and Western in my application year but decided to head down south, and I don't regret it at all. I can tell you that many people I know that went to Western and UofT have struggled to match to OMFS. Most are stuck doing multiple non-cat years or just gave up. Your overall chances of matching to a US OMFS program out of a US dental school are better than from a Canadian dental school (though its still super difficult right now to match w/o US citizenship or p -
Human Being reacted to a post in a topic:
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1. Not hard to extern as a Canadian at all. Look into programs you are interested in externing at and email them about their policy on non-US citizens. Typically, programs aren't too strict about citizenship stuff for externships. It can be an issue for actual residency for sure down the road. 2. Yes. It's essentially a necessity to do externships (~5weeks at 2-3 different places) for OMFS applications. Id try to extern at least some places (if not all) in the US just to demonstrate that you are willing to come south of the border. Also, for the most part, you'll find you can expose your
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Starburst reacted to a post in a topic:
Specializing after dental school with sh* marks
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I would agree with that. 75 is probably a better goal. It’s getting harder and harder to match at a Canadian to OMFS and the CBSE are trending upwards. Anecdotally, of the Canadians that I know that matched over the past 5 years, average CBSE was ~78.
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I can only speak for OMFS, but I don’t know of any programs or heard of any programs cherry picking the last two years. Also, for most schools your GPA is pretty much determined after the first ~2 years, at least the bulk of it. For OMFS applications to the US, a GPA >3.85 and a CBSE >70 are pretty much a nessesity for Canadians applying to OMFS.
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LightningBoltz reacted to a post in a topic:
Specializing after dental school with sh* marks
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Its not that competitive in the US at least. People tend to match to it pretty easily (one person from my graduating class matched with a GPA in the low 3s). It also isn't a highly sought out specialty these days. Only 2 people applied to it from my graduating class some years ago (compared to the 15+ that applied to ortho, 10+ for OMFS, etc). Also, 100 applications for 3 spots isn't really considered competitive. You need to consider the total number of spots in the country available for that specialty. As a comparison, most OMFS programs are receiving 300+ applications for ~2-3 spots.
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It probably depends on the specialty. Some are more competitive than others. I'd assume Ortho, OMFS are pretty competitive. I don't know anything about Endo. Perio I'd assume is not very competitive.
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Yup, so really its just the 6y programs that will look at your UG grades. For many programs, the MD admissions committee is a part of the selection process from the start; sometimes they interview applicants on interview day. But, no I don't think you would be held to the same standard. Some programs probably do have a minimum, but I'd still assume that they'd care way more about the CBSE since its obviously a much better indicator of your ability to pass the the Step 1 and a more recent refection of your work ethic.
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Just bumping this so people can ask questions here rather than PM-ing me.
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There is more of an opportunity to specialize especially in some of the more competitive specialties. Additionally, the training you get within those specialties tends to be a wider scope of training than one would get in most Canadian programs; at least from an OMFS perspective.
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Starburst reacted to a post in a topic:
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Nope. Enjoy your time right now. Once dental school starts pace yourself and do well in dental school courses. No need to worry about OMFS stuff at this point. D1-2: Do well in dental school. Shadow here and there at your local OMFS dept and hospital to get a feel of things. D2-3: Study hard and do well on the CBSE (70+). This takes presendece over shadowing and any other extracirriculars. D3-4: Look into and do some exterships. A total of ~5 weeks is a good number. D4: Interview. Match.
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Starburst reacted to a post in a topic:
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Yeah, something along those lines of visa first then GC. Tbh I'm not totally familar with the procress, but many people have got it done in the past w/o issue. Some programs offer the TN or H1B during residency which is a bit of a bonus. I'm just focusing on residency as this point.
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VivaColombia reacted to a post in a topic:
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Yes and No. There is really no answer to this question. Certain dental schools tend to pump out a lot of people that go into specialties. The age old question is: Do these schools just attract people interested in specializing from the outset? Personally, just based on the way programs directors and faculty speak about certain schools, I do believe there is a certain edge (minimal), but its all heavily debated. I feel that school name helps an applicant that already has a solid application; it just adds that "extra punch", if you know what I mean. You'll see in the interviews, school
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Id agree that an 80 would truely make you a competitive applicant as a Canadian. Some places, regarless of your CBSE score wont invite you for the interview due to their hospital policy regarding dishing out visas. With regard to the international vs Canadian, I'd say that most of the internationally trained dentists are matcing into 4y programs. Their visa issues are far more complicated than a Canadians. With Canadians, its more of a formailty, just an expensive and annoying formaility from the programs perspectve. So I'd venture to think that Canadians have a better shot at 6y programs than
