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hijkl reacted to nrcplstake in McMaster Accepted/Waitlisted/Rejected 2020-2021
Result: ACCEPTED!!! (Niagara-first choice)
Timestamp: 8:42 am
CASPer: I think it was above average? 60-80% for Manitoba OOP
MMI interview thoughts: This was my absolute worst interview and I was so so sad after it was done because Mac is my first choice. I was one of those people who got lottery rejected last year and had to redo my mac interview this year, so I was feeling super discouraged. So glad that my interview didn't turn out to be as garbage as I thought!
Year: just finished 4th year
Guaranteed interview from last year: Ya
[Will be accepting the offer and turning down Western/London, Ottawa, and U of T/St George]
hijkl reacted to bearded frog in What makes med school admissions so much more competitive in Canada compared to the US?
You're looking at seats and population, but you're not looking at applicants, which is where the difference lies. The latest data I could find for the US is 2020 and Canada is 2019.
Canada had 14664 applicants for 2640 positions (including negligible deferrals) meaning that 18.0% of applicants matriculated. US had 53030 for 22239 positions demonstrating at 41.9% applicants matriculated. So right there we can see that the acceptance rate in Canada is less than half the US. When talking about population, that year 0.039% of Canada's population applied, and 0.015% of the US's population applied, meaning Canada has twice as many applicants per capita than the US. And Canada and the US basically have the same number of spots per capita (0.0070% and 0.0068% respectively). Note that this does not account for population distribution, there are not too many 3 year olds or 80 year olds applying to medical school so a more realistic stat would be like population from 20-40 but that would take a bit of digging to find...
Anyway I think you're on the right track in terms of the reasons for the application numbers disparity, it could be due to SES differences or rates of post-secondary education which may be higher in Canada as you say.
hijkl reacted to James Nystead in Accepting randomness in medical school admissions: The case for a lottery
Dr. Mazer, a pathologist at Johns Hopkins University, wrote about you guys!
hijkl reacted to 1029384756md in Medicine...
Chiming in as a FM staff who started med school at 21yo... what's with all the woe is me med school ruined my 20's posts? While my friends were either stuck in low-paying jobs with poor prospects or aging x10 in corporate, I got to live like a student for another 6 years and enjoyed all the good stuff that came with being a student. If I stopped aging I'd probably stay in school forever. Life is good now with more money but you know what I really miss? Playing some street ball and chilling over beer afterwards, back when we were all broke AF and couldn't afford to play golf or go on trips. Now we're all loaded with staff cash but no one has the time or energy to play pick up anymore. For those in their early 20's, staying in school with a solid high paying job at the end is a solid path to take. Lost income due to school? You'll make it back fast if you really want.
To the OP, don't switch if money is the main reason. If you enjoy learning and want a degree that opens up a whole new world of opportunities, then go for it!
hijkl reacted to MedicineLCS in How to get into medial school and dental school without getting lucky
With all due respect, I'd like to see some proof for any of these (or perhaps this is a sophisticated attempt to troll...).
The truth is if you ask 100 medical students what to do you'll get some truisms (Great grades, great testing performance, be busy with ECs, be a good, likable, individual) and... 100 different stories of how they got to where they are now. These stories are, in all likelihood, not substantially different than those of the people rejected on the waitlist at their school, I don't think an offer letter grants any boost to application wisdom.
Attempts to suss out common patterns are kinda circular in many ways. Do schools like to see club leadership or do 90%+ people have it anyway so it really doesn't matter? In the end everyone knows the basic steps (grades, tests, activities) and how you get there is really individualized beyond there.
hijkl reacted to Lactic Folly in Things you wish you knew before you started med
Our medical school class was told the same thing by the residents ahead of us - it's residency that trains you to become a physician. Medical school is but an introduction to the breadth of the field - the role of the student is too dissimilar from that of the resident or attending to serve as direct job training. ralk posted on this previously:
hijkl reacted to MedicineLCS in Applying through the black student application program
You're using American data to try and make an argument about BSAP, and data that is 4 years old using the old MCAT at that? This isn't at all relevant to your original argument (posted in a thread about the UofT, a Canadian medical school's BSAP program) that:
Try again with Canadian statistics. We all know America is an entirely different ballpark. It's also impossible to prove that race didn't play a factor, because that's not how logic works, it's essentially impossible to rule out a negative in this kind of discussion. Besides, you're strawmaning, I never argued that race wasn't a factor, I pointed out that your original line of thought (quoted above) is unsupported and almost assuredly wrong, and I don't really want someone to chance upon this thread and believe that statement, which could reinforce racist ideas about black physicians/medical students or wrong views of the admissions process. Even if BSAP did increase the share of black matriculants you'd need to account for context (GPAs, total representation in the pool, competitiveness changes year to year) and that it's perfectly possible implicit bias (which BSAP helps alleviate) played a role prior to that time so any increase from BSAP is merely correcting a wrong (as intended) as opposed to stacking the deck (what you seem to be suggesting). Take your earlier attempt at trying to prove BSAP inflated numbers:
Once you do an age adjustment (which is necessary when the black Canadian population is significantly younger, 8.2% of that population is 20-24, or 8.2% of 1,198,540=98K, 20-24 is conveniently also a class size in the CMES report, which states that in 2016 there were roughly 514 applications per 100K in that age group, the countrywide acceptance rate was about 18% (lower in Ontario) so that means, if the black 20-24 Canadian population is equally likely to apply, and be accepted, 93 black Canadians should be accepted every year, coast to coast.
This makes it hard to believe your original argument that BSAP was/is artificially inflating the accepted numbers. In fact, with a class size of 259, and 24 BSAP matriculants, you get an acceptance rate of... 9.2%, very close to the same as the population representation of black Canadians in the age group (~5%) that is most common in first year Medical students. So, it appears that BSAP has lead to a staggering increase of the number of black medical students to... 12% higher than their population's share in the overall Canadian population, at only the UofT, which really isn't significant since it's a small sample size and I'd imagine the proportion of black Canadians is higher in Ontario than the national average. No "inflation of acceptance" at all, more like "ending of deflation to more accurately match the province's demographics". This is of course assuming that black Canadians are equally likely to apply, if they were less likely that would increase the % a bit, but even if this was the case it doesn't prove your original point, and it would even hurt your original argument since having significantly less black Canadians applying than their overall share in the population raises interesting "Why?" questions that programs like BSAP can address.
In any case, I'm done with this "discussion". My attempt to ask you to support your positions with objective, Canadian, data has failed and I see no point in feeding the fire. I think anyone reading this from beginning to end can see that there is no objective statistical data supporting the idea that being black with an above-average GPA is a straight ticket to med school and the truth is, even with programs to alleviate biases and racism, the proportion of BSAP students is basically the same (or lower in past years) than the overall proportion of black Canadians aged 20-24 in the Canadian population, which should raise some uncomfortable questions as to why, even with BSAP, this is the case.
EDIT: Math error.
hijkl reacted to unarmed walrus in All QuARMS spots are now reserved for Black and Indigenous applicants
Replace "race/identity" with "wealth/privilege", and you've got how people have always viewed QuARMS up to this point.
hijkl reacted to TheStern in Applying through the black student application program
I think that some pre-meds are so focused on getting in, that they look at things through the lens of "is this fair to me as an applicant?", which is understandable. But the admissions committees have to consider more than just fairness for the applicants - they are deciding who become the physicians in our communities. That's a tremendously important task. The lack of black and Indigenous physicians in our society is an issue that needs to be addressed so that different demographics can feel represented by the medical community and be properly advocated for.
Does this put students who cannot apply through these streams at a disadvantage? Maybe, depending on whether you think the "advantage" of these streams outweighs the disadvantages that certain minorities face throughout other aspects of the process. But creating a more equitable healthcare system is in the greater interest of our society more so than having as fair an admissions process as possible, in my opinion. Even though some people going through the admissions process could be negatively affected, and that is a legitimate concern for a pre-med who is grinding their butt off to get in
For the record, I was just admitted this cycle and would have had the same response a few months ago
hijkl reacted to FingersCrossedPls in Applying through the black student application program
Have you ever considered that maybe this year there were some stellar black, biracial, or mixed race applicants who crushed their interviews, have amazing GPAs, and a great CV? This smells a lot like the “well if I’m white and I can’t do it then certainly someone of colour can’t do it,” trope that we see far too often in any competitive professional or academic setting. Seriously yesandno, every thing you are saying sounds very rooted in jealousy. I know you said earlier that I’m policing your thoughts and speech (which I would never because we need to defund the police but that’s besides the point )and I am really sorry that I made you feel that way since you are more than free to speak your mind; but consider how someone with a different experience may interpret everything you have been saying. I don’t think you’re ill-intended but this is not the way to go about it. More opportunity for other people does not mean less for you.
hijkl reacted to FingersCrossedPls in Applying through the black student application program
“Move on, seriously.” — Spoken from a true place of privilege. Imagine being able to move on from decades of having your identity questioned. If we as BIPOC don’t call out racism and microagressions when we see them, then no one else will. That is why I always come after comments like these.
hijkl reacted to yesandno in Applying through the black student application program
I don’t understand why people deny that being black or indigenous with an above-average GPA is a straight ticket to med school. The objective statistics data overwhelmingly support this.
Besides, many cheer when med schools implement ‘equity’ measures to help disadvantaged. But at the same time, the same people keep denying that race is a huge positive factor in the admission process. You can’t play both ways. You want equity measures, then own it, agree that your race is what got you accepted.
hijkl reacted to Hellothere77 in MD Class of 2024 bag colour
Maybe don't go on a thread about the bag colour if you're that bitter. This thread is specifically to get excited or talk shit about the bag colour. Do you think med students should never be allowed to complain about anything or be negative ever because there are people who didn't get in? Jeez
hijkl reacted to xiphoid in MD Class of 2024 bag colour
Hey @LittleFrog - I understand that it can be frustrating seeing posts and threads from people who have been fortunate enough to get to where you're hoping and trying really really hard to get to. Medical school admissions is a tough process for most people, and we know that we're in a privileged position. With that being said, I don't think it's fair to insinuate that incoming (and current) medical students have no right to [lightheartedly] complain. There is a reason that there are different sections on premed101, targeted towards different demographics, and it would similarly be completely out of line for current med students with a lot of debt and no income to say residents and staff have no right to complain about salary and compensation because at least they're getting paid for example. Good luck with the upcoming cycle!
hijkl reacted to Birdy in MD Class of 2024 bag colour
Clusters of 2015 matriculants were called grapes because of our purple bags. You guys get to be busy bees!
I think it’s nice. I’d have been happy with it.
The colour is a dandelion yellow. Nice and rich. Dandelions thrive on any surface in any conditions no matter what you do to them. Maybe you guys can be like them.