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  1. On 2/27/2021 at 2:56 PM, dreamville123 said:

    does anyone know what the cGPA for accepted applicants has been the past couple years?

    I don't think they calculate GPA. They look at percentage. On the website it says an A- (83%) was the average of applicants who got accepted in the past, but the range is very broad because they also considered the PCAT before, which has been replaced by the CASPer exam this year and beyond. 

  2. Hi everyone, 

    I emailed the admissions office since I was getting a bit worried. I thought they would come out by the end of the month. 

    This is what they said: 

    "Interviews are still being finalized. Interview invites will likely be sent early next week". 

    So they still haven't been sent out to anyone and would most likely come out in early March! :)


  3. 15 hours ago, Sweetjasmine said:

    New update!

    Interview notices should come till the end of February. Check your emails guys and good luck!!!

    I saw that this morning haha! All my questions were answered from this email haha!

    End of February is still a bit vague! If anyone notices that notifications are posted, we can just give each other a heads up on this page :)

    Good luck everyone!!!!!!!!!! 

  4. 4 hours ago, William Osler said:

    No medical school should competitively access any metric, especially something as non-standardized like GPA. The GPA should be assessed in batches of 0.5 or have a cutoff like 3.7 at Western. You could train someone with a 3.7 to be a physician just as well as you could train someone with a 4.0

    And I agree with this completely! And this is why the previous policy was lenient for those people with different undergraduate programs! I know a friend who is in a very difficult undergrad program. The previous policy allowed him to have a better gpa. He works hard, has good studying habits and can definitely handle medical school if he can handle his difficult program now. This is what I meant with what I said above! These people are also capable to learn medicine ... maybe I wasn't clear enough with my choice of wording. 

    4 hours ago, imsotired said:

    I'm not necessarily arguing for whether a student is less deserving of medical school because of a few extra courses with less satisfactory grades. But how else are they supposed to differentiate applicants?? If everyone has a 3.95+ GPA, GPA becomes obsolete and now they only evaluate you based on your essays and extra-curricular activities, which are much more subjective and prone to luck. If you really feel that this new change is unfair to your particular situation, you can always write an academic explanations essay, as William Osler stated above. 

    The unfortunate truth about applying to medical schools in Ontario is that there are many deserving applicants, but not enough seats. 

    Sorry, I think I misunderstood what you said above with the "less satisfactory grades" portion. And you're absolutely right imsotired :) Perhaps this is their new way of differentiating applicants! 



  5. 5 hours ago, imsotired said:

    I can understand how people feel frustrated with this new change and I can completely understand where you're coming from! I really, truly feel for you, as this change was very unexpected and came about during a stressful time. But please try looking at it this way.

    If someone consistently maintained an A to A+ average with a couple of A-s and B+s, their wGPA might be similar to another student who also has an A to A+ average but with more Cs and Bs, which would get removed as per UofT's wGPA policy. Person A and Person B would both have very similar wGPA's but with greater grade variation that wasn't accounted for. I know some of you may say that Person B could have had something exceptionally difficult happen in their lives. While that is true, there are people who also face adversity but still maintain a good average. I personally went through a very difficult situation pertaining to my health (which wasn't acute, more of a chronic issue) that made it extremely difficult to focus in classes, study, and even sleep at night for at least a semester. I still managed to pull through and keep my average consistent to when I wasn't experiencing these difficulties. It took SOO much willpower, determination and perseverance to keep up, and to have UofT look at me the same way as someone else who has courses with less satisfactory grades is super unfair, in my honest opinion. With the increasing competition levels every year, there isn't much more room to make mistakes :(

    Please understand that I really feel for you guys and I know how much this change can be impacting you right now. You have the right to feel upset and frustrated, but UofT seems to have a hit ceiling with GPA, such that the majority of applicants are achieving wGPAs of 3.95+. There won't be as many people with super high wGPA's applying this year, which means that more people with wGPA's or cGPA's in the 3.90-3.95 have a fighting chance. 

    Yeah but the previous wGPA policy also benefited mature applicants. If you already completed the undergraduate degree or were a 4th year student, you were allowed to remove an additional 1.0 FCE, which in my eyes is fair because more schooling means more chances to make mistakes. 

    If someone with "less satisfactory grades" was able to remove just a few extra courses, doesn't mean they are less deserving of medical school or any less competitive. The only aspect gpa reflects is your ability to work hard, have good studying habits and capability to handle medical school which a person who if after the previous weighing policy was capable to show, is also deserving of a chance and a spot :) 

  6. 3 hours ago, bruh said:

    Consistent stellar academic performance is already valued At UofT. If you have a 3.95+ GPA you are going to be near the top anyways. I don’t think that should be taken away from you either. You worked very hard to earn a high GPA and MCAT, and that deserves praise and value. 

    The question is whether we also value those who triumphed in the face of struggles that put a seemingly small but hugely detrimental impact in their academics. It was only in my first year, and in fact mostly in my very first semester that a tragedy in my life impacted my academic performance. Even though it was only a few D+s, it destroyed my cGPA. It didn’t matter that I worked my butt off in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year and got A+ in every single course. While everyone told me there is no point to pursue med with my terrible first semester GPA, I stayed resilient and got the highest 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year GPA in my program at my university. I would argue that, too, is valuable. 

    The wGPA system with the 4 FCE drop allowed both type of applicants to be valued. Without it, only consistent academic performance is valued. It’s also important to note that the 4 FCE drop doesn’t value wholly inconsistent academic performance. If you had Bs and Cs throughout your academic performance, the weighing system won’t help you at all. It helps those with unique cases where they only underperformed in a few courses in their entire undergraduate career. 

    Wow, this was so well said! Thank you! This was also exactly my point ... UofT assesses GPA competitively, but just removing 2.0 FCE gives limited flexibility and only values people who already have a VERY HIGH gpa and a few poor grades. What if you had a bad year because of extenuating circumstances but recovered after the following years? Isn't this type of consistency and resilience valued despite the fact that they went through a few setbacks in life but then had the energy to recover? 

    "June 23, 2020, from 5:00 to 6:00 p.m. EDT (webinar details TBA) to learn more about this current and future admissions cycles and share your feedback"

    Yes, I will be attending the above webinar to share how I feel and tell UofT how these changes are not very equitable or fair ... You aren't adding "diversity" to your program but rather making it difficult for students who have had setbacks to have a chance. You clearly aren't valuing one important quality that every physician should have ... this ability to bounce back from difficulties or setbacks. 

    The feedback from applicants is the most important. We are the most important stakeholder in determining how these changes should be made and I really hope to see all of you there who are not happy with these changes. I hope our voices can be heard. 

  7. Hey everyone, I think statistics are really important to some degree. However,  I'm disappointed with the changes. Sometimes it is extremely difficult to consistently score a high gpa due to extenuating circumstances. I applaud people with 3.8s, 3.9s and 4.0s without any weighting but then again, cGPAs are not standardized. Also, isn't it surprising that all the people I know with cGPA of 4.0 come from McMaster Health Sci? I really don't know what to say about these changes. It sometimes feels like we just have to accept what the admissions committee throws at us ... :( I still think the previous weighted gpa benefited people that would have actually ADDED to the DIVERSITY aspect of the program... and I still believe someone with a 4.0 or 3.9 cumulative, will not be a better doctor than someone with a cumulative that is much lower ... everyone comes from different undergraduate programs which have varying difficulty levels. 


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