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  1. I decided to make this thread for applicants that are thinking of, or have already started, working towards a second degree in the hopes of applying to McGill. I found McGill's website to be quite jumbled regarding this topic, so hopefully that information can be summarized here in a clear and concise way. If you notice any errors, please comment below and I will edit this post accordingly. I would also encourage second degree applicants to ask their questions here, if only for the sake of keeping information in one easily accessible place. Basic Science Prerequisites & the MCAT: The MCAT is not required to apply to McGill, but if you have already completed the basic science prerequisites, it may be in your best interest to write the exam. Every applicant MUST complete the prerequisites by January 15th of the year they plan to start medical school, and a maximum of two prerequisites can still be outstanding by the application deadline (November 1st). However, if your pre-requisite science GPA (sGPA) is significantly below the average of 3.80, then a strong MCAT score can be used in its place. Currently, a competitive MCAT is a 33, and this score should be as close to 'balanced' as possible (11/11/11). *Pre-requisite courses 'expire' after eight years, so make sure to repeat those courses if they will exceed the eight year mark by November 1st. List of Prerequisites: 6 Credits Biology (Introductory) w/ Labs 6 Credits Chemistry (General or Physical) w/ Labs 3 Credits Organic Chemistry w/ Lab 6 Credits Physics (Introductory) w/ Labs GPA: Before we get into GPA, it's important to emphasize that you are NOT a second degree applicant unless you COMPLETED your first degree. For example, if you left your first degree early and pursued another degree, then the following information will not apply to you. Your GPA will instead be calculated based on every course you have completed, in both degrees. Those who have completed a degree, and are now working towards another, will have their GPA calculated differently then applicants in their 'primary' degree. For starters, even if you received transfer credit from your first degree, those courses will NOT be included in the GPA calculation. Only the courses you have completed while enrolled in the second degree will be considered. The year you apply, you must have completed at least 45 credits (15 courses) before the application deadline (November 1st), and at least 60 credits AND your degree by July 1st. This means that your second degree needs to take at least two years to complete, but if you were paying attention to the deadlines, you'll realize that if it only takes you two years, you likely won't be able to apply until after you've graduated. There are ways to get around this (i.e. overloading semesters, spring/summer courses, etc), but keep in mind that you need to maintain a competitive GPA, so don't get overzealous. On that note, a competitive GPA is a 3.80, but if you're an OOP applicant there's a limited number of seats. **Those 60 credits need to be completed in consecutive years or you risk your application being rejected Conclusion: This concludes the second degree specific information. I hope it will provide some insight for future applicants and help you move one step closer to achieving your medical school goals. Good luck! Class Profiles - Admissions - Accepted/Rejected/Waitlisted Thread - Admission FAQs - Dark
  2. I know queens is the biggest mystery when it comes to cutoff, but I am hoping some people out there who have gotten in with similar scores or know of people who have could let me know. Thanks for any help you can offer!
  3. I'm in my third year and second semester of the Neuroscience program in Ontario. I have a 2.4/4 GPA right no. I'm also an international student. What medical schools in Canada can I apply to in a year's time? And, how much do I need to raise my average by?
  4. Hello im currently doing a bac in biology in order to reapply into med school after I finish my 3 years in Quebec (and maybe in Ontario too). Considering my current performance in the programme, im expecting to get a gpa of 4.0 or higher. Will that be enough or do I need to work harder?
  5. Hello, I have a quick question I hold a 4 year Degree in Biology, and I was looking into the Post degree Diplomas (Business from Langara college) as a safety net if I don't get into med school at UBC. I was wondering if UBC would consider the GPA from Post degree diploma?
  6. If you are under the 3.7 cutoff but still apply and have a strong MCAT and strong application will they still just disregard the application?
  7. 8 Years ago I went to university full time for a year, got pretty bad grades (including 1 failed class). Now I just finished my second year of undergrad a second time with a perfect 4.0 so far. Out of the Med Schools around me (Western, McMaster, uoft) how would they all look at this. Would they even require / know about this year? I know Western takes your best 2 years which would give me a shot, but how about the other two schools? Would they take those courses into the equation? Unfortunately even if I continue a perfect 4.0 throughout all 4 years I will be stuck with a 3.5 - 3.6 GPA which probably isn't good enough to get in from what I've seen.
  8. I'm a pharmacy student who, two-thirds of the way through pharmacy school, developed the strong desire to pursue medicine instead. I still really enjoy pharmacy (it was my first love after all) but feel like I would never find closure if I didn't at least try to pursue medicine. I definitely plan on finishing my pharmD first so I am not applying for medical school until that is done first. However, I figured I should start preparing and have been looking through the admission requirements for Canadian medical schools recently. Specifically, I realize that Western looks specifically at only the best 2 undergraduate years, and those 2 undergraduate years must meet the 3.7 GPA. My grades consistenly exceeded the 3.7 cutoff during my three years of undergrad, but they dropped significantly in the first 2 years of pharmacy school. I just finished third year and was able to get > 3.7 GPA this year. However, I only have 1 year in pharmacy where I meet the 3.7 cutoff and I am starting full-time rotations in fourth year so I will no longer be able to get another 3.7 GPA. I'm just wondering if Western would also look at my undergrad year grades. I know they say that people pursuing a second degree would have their best 2 years chosen from the second degree. However since I didn't actually finish my bachelor's before transferring to pharmacy, would Western include those years as part of the requirements to complete my pharmacy degree and choose another year from there to calculate GPA? Or, do they actually not look at any undergrad year, solely calculate from my pharmacy years and I might as well not bother applying to this particular school.
  9. So my 2y GPA is 3.70 on the dot. Does anyone think I have a chance? I know it’s unknown what the GPA cut-offs are, but how greatly have they varied in the past? Do they stay in the 3.7 range or have they ever been higher? (3.8+)?
  10. Hi everyone, I want to ask your opinion on my following program selections. I am fortunate enough to be accepted to the programs of my choosing, and I now have to decide where I should attend. Queen's new Health Science (On-Campus) program has been created to "compete" with the previously established McMaster Health Science. I have heard this from both Queen's/Mac students/faculty members. This year, Queen's has a target enrolment of 170 students (last year they over accepted and had around 250+ students), out of close to 6000 applicants (up by 2,000 applicants from the previous year). In contrast, McMaster has a target enrolment of around 240 out of 7000 applicants. After talking to Queen's Health Science students, and seeing their official transcripts, and comparing that to what McMaster Health Science students tend to get (no official class averages from Mac), it becomes extremely apparent that the class averages of Queen's Health Science is way higher than those of Mac Health Science. While McMaster hosts a high average of 80%+, the Queen's Health Science courses consistently had a 90%+ average (for both first and second-year core classes). This means that many students at Queen's (many of which I know) have averages of 4.0 on the OMSAS scale, whereas not that many Mac Health Science students have 4.0 averages (albeit 3.9+ averages are common). The only issue is that Queen's Health Science will not have a graduating class until 2023, whereas McMaster already has a history of sending students to medical school from their program. But at the same time, I also know that your program doesn't matter and that as long as you have a good GPA, EC's, MCAT, Interview, etc., you will have a shot. My concern is that I may be turning down Queen's, a program that may help me become more competitive when it comes to applying to medical school. Also, I'm not sure how graduate programs will react to the sudden influx of Queen's Health Science students applying to their program, with most of them having extremely high averages (3.9/4.0). Some questions I wanted to ask are: Should the lack of a graduating class be something I take into consideration? What would you do in my position? Let's assume financial, community life and fun, etc. are not factors. Purely looking at it from a program point of view. P.S. Here are some screenshots of what Queen's University students provided me. I was told these are the official documents provided to them by their program.
  11. Long story short, I am a Canadian in my late 20s that holds two undergrad degrees. I partied a bit too much during my first degree (BSc in biology) but smarten up during my second degree (BA in health sciences) which resulted in a steep upward GPA trend; started with a 2.3GPA in 2nd year and later achieved a perfect 4.0 GPA with full course load for 6 semesters straight. Currently, I am finishing up my Masters of Physiotherapy degree (MPT) with an cGPA of 3.7 (A-), I started the program strong but later struggled with constant migraine and diplopia (as confirmed by my neuro-ophthalmologist) which drastically impacted my grades near the end of my program. I now have my symptoms well managed with visual rehab and corrective lenses. However, I am hoping to apply into medical school as I realized my dream is to be a MD. During my physiotherapy placements at the hospital, I worked with multiple physicians (ie. physiatrists, orthopaedic surgeon, and family physicians) which further confirmed this passion. Will my relatively poor grad school GPA negatively impact my chances of Canadian med school admissions? I know some Ontario schools claim that they don't look at grad school GPA? ps: I am confident that I can ace my MCAT and am seasoned with the CASPer and MMI processes. Thank you!
  12. Hi, Is the life science programs at McGill in the faculty of environmental science and agriculture equivalent to the Biomedical programs at the McGill in the Faculty of science? Life science is at the Mac campus and Biomed is at the downtown campus. Life science is easier to get into but does it have the same qualities as Biomed? Does a life science student have a chance of getting into medicine? Which program will give me the best GPA Thank you so much who those who are able to advice me
  13. Salut! Est-ce que quelqu'un qui a déjà fait le bac sciences biomédicales pourrait me dire si l'indice de force est bon à Montréal? Je suis au courant pour celui de Laval, mais il n'y a pas de tableau d'étalon pour l'UdeM, donc j'aimerais savoir un GPA de 4,33 donne combien de cote r. Merci d'avance!
  14. Hello Everyone/Salut tout le monde! I am a Quebec university student who is graduating from undergrad this semester. I’m planning on applying to a DESS (Diplôme d’études supérieures spécialisées) program at Université de Montréal before applying to Medicine and Pharmacy next application cycle. Let's cut to the chase: I’m wondering if being part of a DESS program will significantly hurt my chances of being accepted to the Quebec Medical schools, compared to a full-on Masters degree. Pros to the DESS (in my opinion): DESS programs are only 1 year of full time study, and many of them offer doing an additional year of directed study or a stage somewhere. Upon completing the additional year, I would graduate with a full Masters degree. Research isn’t really my favourite, and I would prefer to do a more application-based program, but not if it will hurt my chances, or not improve my chances, at getting into Med/Pharm . Cons to the DESS (possibly?): When I apply during the next application cycle, they will see that I have been working on a DESS instead of a Masters degree (not sure if this one counts as a Con or not, that's why I'm asking here!). I haven’t seen this discussed anywhere else, so if anyone has anecdotes or feedback of any kind to share about this situation, I would really appreciate them!
  15. Hi all, I have been lurking on this forum for a while. It’s been really nice to see actual interactions by likeminded individuals wading through the daunting application process. I have applied to NOSM this cycle. It’s been a long term goal of mine for the last 6 years and I finally applied. I’m 30, 4 kids, born and raised in a small town in Northern Ontario. Left for three years in my early 20’s but moved back as soon as we could. My background is in social sciences and I’ve been a business counsellor for Indigenous women, traveling all around Northern Ontario, including fly-in communities. I currently work in research for an Indigenous organization as the Chief Research Officer. I have decent ECs but my GPA isn’t great. I started university at 17, and had a rough couple years after we moved down east (near Ottawa). According to OMSAS my cGPA is 3.38, however, I do have a Masters degree, which puts me up to 3.58– still not great. I’m currently working on a second undergrad via Athabasca University (Bachelor’s in Health Administration) while I “wait” to get into medical school. This is absolutely my dream. The perfect profession and I intend to work and serve Northern Ontario until I physically can’t anymore. But I’m feeling pretty hopeless. So many people have competitive GPAs and I just feel like to recover my grades, it’s going to be a long and expensive journey, but I’m willing and committed to doing that. Even though it’s been INTENSE to keep up with family life, courses, and working. I’m reaching out for a little bit of hope. Does anyone know of anyone that got into NOSM with a lower GPA? I would appreciate any insight, words or encouragement or blunt advice! Thanks in advance!
  16. Hi, I am currently a grade 12 student in high school. I have a very strong work ethic and currently have an average in the 90s. I am not too concerned with the major, as long as I am able to maintain a high GPA and have all the requirements necessary to go to medical school post-undergrad. If anyone goes to Guelph or Queens University and has a close to 4.0 GPA, or is currently in medical school and did your undergrad at either, would you recommend it there? If so: 1) What program were you in? 2) How were the professors there? Were any of them unfair? 3) Did you live on res? - if yes, was it too noisy to concentrate on your work? Any help/advice would be very appreciated!!
  17. Hey guys! Hope you're all doing well I'd really appreciate some perspectives on my chances at Western and Queens specifically! MCAT: 514 (127/127/128/132) 2YGPA: 3.87 Thanks in advance!!
  18. Hey guys - just realized I may have screwed my chances at medical school. I applied to queens and western. My third and fourth years are the 3.88 and 3.87 respectively. I did a fifth year in 2020 and took three courses, which was my biggest, dumbest mistake because I ended up with a calculated 3.5 gpa here. I am terrified Queens will take this year and my fourth year as my last two, leaving me at a 3.68 gpa. Have I screwed myself over?
  19. Hey guys, congrats to those who have finished the application process! I know this is a super redundant post, but if anyone could tell me what my chances are looking like, I would really, really appreciate it... if I'm headed for rejections, I hope to be able to prepare myself for them. MCAT is 514: 127/127/128/132 2YGPA: 3.88 (cumulative is 3.61) My extracurriculars are strong - awards, president of large non profit, accessibility research, etc. I've applied to Western, Queens and Mac... any thoughts are greatly appreciated!
  20. Hi there, I am a third year undergrad trying to get into Dentistry, specifically aiming for the University of Manitoba. If anyone could help and steer me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. There's a lot of info on here but most of it is for other schools such as UofT. So I guess I have a couple of questions for anyone who knows about UManitoba's acceptance rates, averages etc. 1) There is a lot of talk AGPAs but not a lot about core course averages. If you were accepted or know anyone who has been accepted into the program, do you mind sharing your AGPA as well as your core course GPA? I'm asking because I would like to know if anyone has ever been accepted with a low core course GPA of 3.7 (which happens to be mine lol). 2) I find myself stressed trying to get all A's in my science courses. In my first year I managed to get all A's. In my second year and third year I got a range of B and B+'s. Is there room for error in getting B's and B+'s? or is my dream of being a dentist over because I don't have all A's? 3) UManitoba lists their minimum core course average and DAT score on the application as 3.60 (2019) and 18.50 (2019). This being the minimum, would you have a good chance of being accepted being near the minimum? Some previous applicants who I have seen on this forum have GPAs typically around 3.9-4 range. 4) Are only the top students accepted into the program? Like those who have high GPAs and high DAT scores? Or is there a chance with those who have a mediocre GPA/DAT and possibly a good interview? To anyone that answers, thank you for any advice.
  21. Hello everyone, I hope your application writing went well! Quick question about UofT GPA calculations. I know they're not counting W2020 grades, but do F2019 grades count for the entire year? F2019 was my worst semester of undergrad because I had a really heavy course load and took on too many ECs. For example, say my year 1 GPA was 3.98, year 2 3.99, and then fall 2019 GPA was 3.78 (not my actual stats, just an example). Do they calculate GPA as (3.98 + 3.99 + 3.78)/3 which would mean F2019 is equivalent to a full year, or is it based on each semester? Thanks in advance
  22. Hey all, I'm looking to apply to U of T dentistry. I understand that U of T is able to drop an applicant's lowest year GPA provided that it is not their most recent year. My question is, my first year marks were not great at all, while my second year marks were high. Despite U of T saying they'll drop the lowest year (aka my first year), I can't help but have a fear that my first year GPA will affect my chances. I guess my question is, has anyone been admitted with a high GPA after their lowest year was dropped, despite that lowest year being quite low? I've looked everywhere but I was unable to find anyone in the same boat as me. I'm just so afraid that my first year mistakes will be here to haunt me for the rest of my life. Any insight is appreciated. Thanks, guys.
  23. Hi! I'm planning on going into OT. However, every OT I come across has done their schooling abroad. Has anyone done theirs in Canada and is willing to share the process? PT seems to have more descriptive and consistent requirements. What is the GPA cut off, do your EC's matter? And how many schools did you apply to and where was your undergrad done? Thanks in advance
  24. Hi all, Christopher here from the Pluripotent Premed podcast, and creator of www.UltimatePremedPackage.ca. After overwhelmingly positive feedback on 'Season 1' of the podcast that I co-host with a medical school classmate of mine, Ziad, we are back in the (virtual) studio and recording new weekly episodes for Season 2! If you haven't heard of Pluripotent Premed yet, feel free to check us out on any major podcasting platform (Spotify, Apple Music, etc.) or on our Facebook page. We are two medical students in Canada who host a completely free podcast that is designed to guide premed students through the premedical years.In Season 1, we focused on all aspects of the MCAT, med school interview, admissions process, CASPer, and much more. This season we have a couple of new series that will help guide you on your premed journey: 2020-2021 Admissions Cycle series - last year Ziad and I recorded a single episode that broke down each Canadian medical school and the requirements for admission, interlaced with stats from previous classes that provided insight into whether you are a 'competitive' applicant. This year we've decided to do it a little differently - we've invited a medical student from each of the 17 Canadian medical schools to come on a do a condensed 10-15 minute episode about their specific medical school. We will discuss with them the academic and non-academic admission requirements, the school's curriculum, and their personal experience as a student at the school. We hope that this format will provide a greater and more personal insight into each of the schools, and will allow listeners to seek out the specific episodes that highlight the schools that they are interested in. Alternative Background series - the purpose of this series is to bring on medical student guests who don't come from the typical premed background, in order to discuss their route to medicine. We had numerous listeners request a series like this, and we believe it will be helpful and provide hope for those listeners who don't fit that 'cookie cutter' premed applicant. So far we have episodes with a medical student who did an undergraduate degree in music with no science background, a student who did a dual business and science degree and how they balanced it, and a student who is pursuing an MD/PhD and what the admissions process looks like for that applicant stream. We intend to plan more episodes in this series based on requests from our listeners. −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−-−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−-−−−− Aside from the podcast project, feel free to check out my premed website UltimatePremedPackage.ca (again, totally free), which hosts a BUNCH of resources for the MCAT, med school interview, and a whole lot more. That's all for now - keep up with the hard work everyone!
  25. Hey all, I was wondering if there has been any recent updates regarding whether U of T Dentistry will be using Winter 2020 grades as part of the GPA calculation? As well, does anyone know whether the decision made for U of T dentistry be the same as U of T med or are the two completely separate? Stay safe!
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