Johnboy Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 Just wondering if anybody is applying to MOTP this year? Also, I would like to know how difficult it is to apply for second residency program after completing the obligatory service period. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 Hey Johnboy, incoming MS1 here. I'm also looking into MOTP. I need to get more concrete details from the recruiting folks, but based on my conversations with a few past, and current MOTP/MMTP students, it varies depending on the needs of the military at that time. There's a few residencies highlighted on the recruiting website that are more in demand, and could be covered; emergency medicine, orthopedics, anasthesiology, psychiatry, PHPM.. I believe they also fund +1s in Emerg'. I think the general process is, you finish FM and work as a GD-MO (General Duties Medical Officer - Aka Family Doc) for a few years (3-5?) after which you could potentially apply for that second residency. Financially, it would mean getting paid an MO salary while undergoing a 5(+) yr residency, with a 5 year return of service (ROS) afterwards. Feel free to PM or be in touch if you want to chat further. Johnboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnboy Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Sorry, I didn't get notification of your message. I was wondering if MOTP students could do +1 before serving military? Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rednwhite Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Currently a military anesthesia resident after completing MOTP/MMTP and four years of service as a family physician. To answer your question, MOTP/MMTP cannot complete a +1 before practice. As above, FM must be completed as MOTP/MMTP. After three years of service as a GDMO, there is opportunity for re-training (if selected) but available positions will vary depending on CAF requirements and funding. The CAF military specialist group is a relatively small number so it is difficult to forecast what positions will be open year-to-year as it would depend on retirements/releases and operational requirements. Johnboy and MazzyStar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnboy Posted June 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 Thank you so much for your reply @rednwhite. I was also wondering if you were able to practice FM medicine while completing your anesthesiology residency? Thanks again for sharing info regarding the military sponsored residency. Do they sponsor a few non-FM residency spots every year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnboy Posted June 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 Can I also ask what are some criteria to be selected for further training? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodo Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Just wanted to share some words of caution, I apologize in advance if I sound paternalistic but I wanted to give the other side of the coin. I was in the CAF when I got accepted in medicine and I couldn't be more happy to have left. To me, it doesn't make sense to restrict your choices before experiencing different specialties during your rotations. If you are already planning on doing another residency after FM, I would argue MOTP might not be the best idea. Ultimately, you trade your freedom for short term money that you would otherwise make up for when you start working as staff. Even if you succeed in retraining in a specialty after MOTP, you still lose years of experience in that specialty and have to forego fellowship opportunities. I would still advise people who are into family medicine against pursuing MOTP for financial reasons, since military medicine is not exactly family medicine. You are a military officer first and foremost and have to deal with the lifestyle that comes with it (being away on temporary dutes, military exercises, deployments, etc.) Instead of going straight into MOTP, I would suggest you start by joining the reserve force to see if a career in the CAF would suit you, part-time or full-time. You will have virtually no obligation as a reservist (compared to a member of the regular force) and part of your education is still subsidized. Johnboy and zoxy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnboy Posted June 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Dodo said: Just wanted to share some words of caution, I apologize in advance if I sound paternalistic but I wanted to give the other side of the coin. I was in the CAF when I got accepted in medicine and I couldn't be more happy to have left. To me, it doesn't make sense to restrict your choices before experiencing different specialties during your rotations. If you are already planning on doing another residency after FM, I would argue MOTP might not be the best idea. Ultimately, you trade your freedom for short term money that you would otherwise make up for when you start working as staff. Even if you succeed in retraining in a specialty after MOTP, you still lose years of experience in that specialty and have to forego fellowship opportunities. I would still advise people who are into family medicine against pursuing MOTP for financial reasons, since military medicine is not exactly family medicine. You are a military officer first and foremost and have to deal with the lifestyle that comes with it (being away on temporary dutes, military exercises, deployments, etc.) Instead of going straight into MOTP, I would suggest you start by joining the reserve force to see if a career in the CAF would suit you, part-time or full-time. You will have virtually no obligation as a reservist (compared to a member of the regular force) and part of your education is still subsidized. That was very helpful. I tried to contact with them but could not clear things. Would you be able to comment on where MOTP students will do their FM residencies? Any school they matched to? Or, there are certain schools that have seats for MOTP FM residencies? Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodo Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Johnboy said: That was very helpful. I tried to contact with them but could not clear things. Would you be able to comment on where MOTP students will do their FM residencies? Any school they matched to? Or, there are certain schools that have seats for MOTP FM residencies? Thank you. in theory, they might prefer that you do your residency in the same geographical area to avoid paying for relocation fees, but I think it wouldn't be an issue doing residency elsewhere if you match (however, this can change). yes, there might be MOTP seats at Dalhousie, Ottawa and Queens, but that's just a guess, other people can confirm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnboy Posted June 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 37 minutes ago, Dodo said: in theory, they might prefer that you do your residency in the same geographical area to avoid paying for relocation fees, but I think it wouldn't be an issue doing residency elsewhere if you match (however, this can change). yes, there might be MOTP seats at Dalhousie, Ottawa and Queens, but that's just a guess, other people can confirm. Thank you so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdlifecrisis Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 6/17/2020 at 1:06 AM, rednwhite said: Currently a military anesthesia resident after completing MOTP/MMTP and four years of service as a family physician. To answer your question, MOTP/MMTP cannot complete a +1 before practice. As above, FM must be completed as MOTP/MMTP. After three years of service as a GDMO, there is opportunity for re-training (if selected) but available positions will vary depending on CAF requirements and funding. The CAF military specialist group is a relatively small number so it is difficult to forecast what positions will be open year-to-year as it would depend on retirements/releases and operational requirements. Where do you do your second residency? Do you get to choose the university? And is there a return of service after the second residency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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