offmychestplease Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 - chota-don, DrOtter and oneday1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bearded frog Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 You can put peds subspecialities under 5 years + 1 year for the most part, although for all your medicine/peds subspecialities at 6 years I would put a star that it depends on where you train, and if you train in a large centre and want to stay there you might get a job without further fellowship. Also Toronto/Vancouver/Montreal are a tier harder than Calgary/Edmonton/Ottawa offmychestplease 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naruto Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 Is a fellowship really necessary for Anesthesia? I'm a newb but I thought most didn't do one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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premed72 Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 36 minutes ago, Naruto said: Is a fellowship really necessary for Anesthesia? I'm a newb but I thought most didn't do one. Im a newb too but if you wanna do critical care medicine following anesthesia you need a fellowship (two years?? I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rmorelan Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 Rads would be 6 (5+1) for 90%+ of us, cardiology for some underlying subtypes seems to require grad work (particularly interventional ) but that may be too much detail. Always education creep it seems out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hero147 Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, offmychestplease said: right. Critical Care through IM is 5 years (3 years IM + 2 years critical care), through EM it is 6 years (since 1 year of EM 5-year can be used to start the 2 year fellowship) and through General Surgery and Anesthesia it is 7 years (5 years + 2 years critical care)...however, no matter the path to critical care it is very hard to find a job anywhere right now You can also do critical care in 6 years in anesthesia as well. offmychestplease 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMislove Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 I would put most surgical specialities at 7 as a ton of fellowships are two years. Sure there are some that are one, but most Canadian fellowships are 2. offmychestplease 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FrannieLydon Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 Wondering what the salary is like once you start a fellowship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rmorelan Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, offmychestplease said: similar to resident salary yup, although it is variable and depends on where you are going and what you are doing. Many fellowships are not unionized and so there are no fixed rules. Also confusion is we use the term fellowship for some normal training in some fields (like IM but also as an example neuro radiology - any thing that actually has a college exam after it - those do follow unionized pay increases). For truly post residency training the salaries can be follow the provincial salary rules for PGY6 but I have seen it lower as well in quite a number of fields (it is one year, and supposed to get you a job so people still go for them). May seem unfair but residency is paid by the government while fellowships are usually funded by the actual practice group (it is different when it is your money). Also some set up moonlighting opportunities so a lower salary may mask in reality a better income than it appears. In the US where many people go for some fields the salaries are quite variable as well, as you often have to compensate people for the cost of the city people are in. For instance Harvard based ones were 20K higher than some other places I looked at but Boston is the 3rd or 4th most expensive city in the US. If you didn't bump it up no one would come. Edited October 12, 2020 by rmorelan FrannieLydon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrOtter Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 Thanks so much for the very informative post OP! Next up, post-training earning potential for specialties! jk that's wayy too variable to enumerate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1D7 Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 This is pretty inaccurate, most of the listed specialties are 1-2 years less. Lots of specialties do not need fellowships to practice or need less than what you're describing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Snowmen Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 For PM&R, I would add that fellowships aren't necessary for jobs themselves. It's simply that it's hard to find a job outside of an academic center because of how small and specialized the specialty is so you end up needing one to fulfill the requirements for an academic job (ie: 1 year of training post-residency). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACHQ Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 2:00 PM, offmychestplease said: 7 years - Nephrology (3 years of IM + 2 years of Nephro + 2 years of fellowship), I don't know of any nephrologist/nephro trainee that would subject themselves to 2 separate fellowships (I believe they are all 1 year), to still end up jobless. People generally either locum in GIM or do endless CA'ing after 1 year of fellowship, but I'm sure there are those out there that think another year of extra training will help (it wont, when there are no dialysis spots open). #YOLO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#YOLO Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 nephro is like becomin a made man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, #YOLO said: nephro is like becomin a made man... ha I have heard that analogy before - and similarly there is some secrete and often long process even after getting in just to somehow manage to get dialysis spots. Very strange system! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IMislove Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 44 minutes ago, offmychestplease said: thanks. I put it at 7 because I heard it was very very hard to get a dialysis spot. Do you know why it's so hard to get one (do they make $1 million+?) Probably same reason as surgeons, hospital resource, current nephros don’t let new ones in as yeah they make tons of $$$, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 11 hours ago, IMislove said: Probably same reason as surgeons, hospital resource, current nephros don’t let new ones in as yeah they make tons of $$$, etc. and they don't need them - I mean you will see a common theme in many specialities that people want to work "full time" regardless of the pay - where way in other fields people may be thinking I am earn great money I can reduce my work and still have a great lifestyle etc. It is as if the sort of person that can complete the training and jump through the hoops simply likes to be busy. I think that is one of the reasons you don't see a lot of part time anything in medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostLamb Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Your info about psych is not accurate with respect to no need for “fellowships” for the cities listed. if you wish to practise Geri or forensic or child psych you’ll need the subspecialty in at least Toronto and Vancouver. like the education creep spoken of, it is happening in psychiatry as well. Please recognize that subspecialty training is not equivalent to fellowships. In other words, please recognize the fact that I had to pay several more thousands of dollars for another RC exam ;-) The above info will be out of date even within a year....the world is a quickly changing place. best, LL blah1234 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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