CarRMS Match Rate by School

[CaRMS2021]

1st iteration, Current year graduates

https://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2021-carms-forum.pdf Slide 80

[sterntaler]

Oh wow, Western did so poorly this year.

I found slide 37 to be pretty interesting. People were speculating whether home school advantage would be more pronounced this year given the lack of visiting electives, but it looks like overall there are no significant changes. 

[premed72]

Let's go ottawa!! 

[chateau22]

Oof, peds was super competitive compared to last year (0.75 spots per applicant vs. 0.88 last year)

[shikimate]

looking at page 13, Oceania IMGs did pretty well overall, much better than Carib. Also noticed # of IMG from Carib and Europe is on a downward trend. any explanation for this?

Also looking at page 29 can't believe psych is more competitive than radiology lol. unimaginable a decade ago.

[jb24]

Quite surprised at how the overall match results really didn't change that much despite major changes to a typical fourth year. I think virtual interviews are the way to go. 

[askingquestions]

Why is UdeM so low?

[bearded frog]

If anyone is interested in my impressions of some of the other data in the presentation see my thread on the CaRMS forum in the CaRMS forum

 

[Haribo7173]

On 5/31/2021 at 8:20 PM, askingquestions said:

Why is UdeM so low?

Big gunner year I assume. 
10-year low of family med matches in Quebec. 

[futuredoc43]

On 6/2/2021 at 3:41 PM, Haribo7173 said:

Big gunner year I assume. 
10-year low of family med matches in Quebec. 

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[sterntaler]

3 minutes ago, Parmesan said:

does this mean that the past years were more around the 95 ish or is UdeM typically on the lower end ?

where could I find the info from previous years ?

Generally the previous years' data reports are available here: R-1 Data and reports - CaRMS (you have to scroll down). 

Match rate at UdeM in previous years:

2020: 307/326= 94.2%

2019: 291/317= 91.8%

2018: 280/305= 91.8%

I believe @bearded frog posted a graph of the match rate trends at different schools, but I don't remember which thread it was in.

 

[futuredoc43]

9 minutes ago, sterntaler said:

Generally the previous years' data reports are available here: R-1 Data and reports - CaRMS (you have to scroll down). 

Match rate at UdeM in previous years:

2020: 307/326= 94.2%

2019: 291/317= 91.8%

2018: 280/305= 91.8%

I believe @bearded frog posted a graph of the match rate trends at different schools, but I don't remember which thread it was in.

 

thank you v much ! I'll look more into it. 

[zoxy]

On 5/31/2021 at 6:12 PM, jb24 said:

Quite surprised at how the overall match results really didn't change that much despite major changes to a typical fourth year. I think virtual interviews are the way to go. 

Overall match results are a function of two variables: 1) Number of applicants and 2)Number of spots. COVID didn't change those two variables so I don't see why it would impact overall match rates. CaRMS, much like medical school admission, is a zero sum game.

[bearded frog]

I'll do some historical analysis when the full data is posted.

[CaRMS2021]

11 minutes ago, bearded frog said:

I'll do some historical analysis when the full data is posted.

Any idea when full stats are usually posted? Looking forward to your thoughtful analysis as usual!

[bearded frog]

11 minutes ago, CaRMS2021 said:

Any idea when full stats are usually posted? Looking forward to your thoughtful analysis as usual!

Posted June 16 last year

[CaRMS2021]

19 minutes ago, bearded frog said:

Posted June 16 last year

I believe Match Day was March 3rd so likely end of July? 

[bearded frog]

14 hours ago, CaRMS2021 said:

I believe Match Day was March 3rd so likely end of July? 

Extrapolating from the carms forum, which was April 17 last year, and may 31st this year, means it happens about 8 weeks later, also gives end of July.

[shikimate]

This was in the Toronto skunk newspaper recently:

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2021/06/02/medical-school-graduates-pass-over-family-medicine.html

They basically blamed things on COVID and gave the usual "we need more time to study this" excuse.

Maybe someone here could give a first hand account, is the practice environment for FM poor in Quebec? I heard the government allocates how many can practice in a certain area, and you are financially penalized if you don't work where they want you to work?

[NoMatchNoProblem]

1 hour ago, shikimate said:

Maybe someone here could give a first hand account, is the practice environment for FM poor in Quebec? I heard the government allocates how many can practice in a certain area, and you are financially penalized if you don't work where they want you to work?

It's because a lot of the QC FM programs are based in the outskirts of major metropolitan areas. One of the mandates of the QC government is to try and promote health of communities in rural areas and this is not attractive to most as many desire to return to cities after their residencies. When you apply for your permanency practice license (PREM), the chances of you coming back to practice closer to these metropolitan areas are much more difficult and as a result, many do not find this attractive. As a result, there are a lot of positions that remain vacant. 

[indefatigable]

5 hours ago, shikimate said:

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2021/06/02/medical-school-graduates-pass-over-family-medicine.html

They basically blamed things on COVID and gave the usual "we need more time to study this" excuse.

Maybe someone here could give a first hand account, is the practice environment for FM poor in Quebec? I heard the government allocates how many can practice in a certain area, and you are financially penalized if you don't work where they want you to work?

The article is misleading without context - the previous government also wanted to ensure a solid quota to graduate ratio which means having almost guaranteed left-over spots.  Unlike the ROC, there are much fewer CSA and IMGs that match into QC.  There's actually very little new here. 

But to add to the points

• decreased autonomy - like the poster above mentioned government heavily regulates where FPs can work and how many patients they have to see [aside: AB government was apparently trying to copy QC].  Some get around this by practicing in private - but in the public system there are also penalties for not having enough patients..  apparently some were doing medicine part-time so the government reacted strongly against this practice 
• financial - some specialists  literally said they were making too much money after big raises over the past ten years.  In QC, FPs are represented by a different organization and there are significant pay differences with almost every single specialty.  For instance, lab medicine, pediatrics and psychiatry are quite well-paid in the province.
• workload - rural FM in particular is considered to be very demanding  etc.. and many prefer to be in larger regions/cities... even so FPs throughout the province have to commit to more responsibility from my understanding.
• unfilled spots - Typically there's a net outflow of graduates from QC mostly from McGill.  It could be this year even more graduates left to pursue post-graduate opportunities outside of QC which left more FM positions open within the province.  There's obviously a lot asymmetry when it comes matching in/out of QC driven by language difference (although French-speaking graduates overwhelmingly stay in the province)

Edit: It's disappointing that La Presse/the Star chose to focus on unfilled spots rather than the numerous unmatched CMGs - I have a feeling what their angle is going forward  (not to mention neglecting the military vs non-military distinction in ROC).