Current residents - what spot from your ROL did you end up getting?

[Kasiunut]

Just wondering what spot most people get from their ROL?

Also wondering if the trend is the same for IMGs as CMGs.

 

[aaaaaaa]

Those statistics are available on the CaRMS website in a few different ways! Here is one of the tables you might be interested in: https://www.carms.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/2022_r1_tbl15e.pdf

[jb24]

First choice.

[Kasiunut]

16 hours ago, aaaaaaa said:

Those statistics are available on the CaRMS website in a few different ways! Here is one of the tables you might be interested in: https://www.carms.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/2022_r1_tbl15e.pdf

Thanks! I didn't realize it also had IMG stats. 

 

[cardio_enjoyer]

Curious to see if there are stats that show how many % of students match into their top 3 by specialty.  I imagine the number would be inflated from FM (CMG) as FM take more applicants than specialties.  It would be unusual for someone who wants FM not to match into their top 3 (if not top choice at all).

[bearded frog]

42 minutes ago, cardio_enjoyer said:

Curious to see if there are stats that show how many % of students match into their top 3 by specialty.

Not publicly available.

[No Name Brand]

1 hour ago, cardio_enjoyer said:

Curious to see if there are stats that show how many % of students match into their top 3 by specialty.  I imagine the number would be inflated from FM (CMG) as FM take more applicants than specialties.  It would be unusual for someone who wants FM not to match into their top 3 (if not top choice at all).

Not sure if you are referring to this graph but this is useful information from the CaRMS stats looking at the broader categories of specialties

[cardio_enjoyer]

6 minutes ago, No Name Brand said:

Not sure if you are referring to this graph but this is useful information from the CaRMS stats looking at the broader categories of specialties

You are such a lifesaver! Hoping I become part of the 86% this year... Thank you!

[anon5678]

Do carms participants have a higher success rate of matching to top 3 than US/NRMP counterparts? Looking at the recent    red dit     thread for NRMP and it looks like a lot of people end up quite far down their ROL (5-10) or unmatched altogether

[zxcccxz]

19 minutes ago, anon5678 said:

Do carms participants have a higher success rate of matching to top 3 than US/NRMP counterparts? Looking at the recent    red dit     thread for NRMP and it looks like a lot of people end up quite far down their ROL (5-10) or unmatched altogether

That's probably because of how many applicants there are to each program in the US - even unpopular programs in uncompetitive specialties get 20x the applicants that they have seats for. Consequently, they also end up intervieweing a high ratio of applicants compared to seats because there is a ton of waitlist movement.

You can kinda see in the graph posted by someone else above how what is theoretically the least competitive group (FM) has a lower match rate to top 3 (77%) than the most competitive group (surgery - 82.4%). 

So perhaps the argument could be made that it's harder to match to your 1st choice program in the US (although I don't think granular enough data exists to rigorously evaluate this), but overall, if you're willing to go anywhere or at least at open to like 10+ programs, your chances of matching are very good, even to competitive specialties. 

For example, looking at the published NRMP 2023 data: https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2023-Advance-Data-Tables-FINAL.pdf

Plastic surgery had 255 US MD Seniors apply for 207 seats. Comparatively, in Canada, there awere 81 applicants to 23 positions. 

[Pakoon]

25 minutes ago, zxcccxz said:

That's probably because of how many applicants there are to each program in the US - even unpopular programs in uncompetitive specialties get 20x the applicants that they have seats for. Consequently, they also end up intervieweing a high ratio of applicants compared to seats because there is a ton of waitlist movement.

You can kinda see in the graph posted by someone else above how what is theoretically the least competitive group (FM) has a lower match rate to top 3 (77%) than the most competitive group (surgery - 82.4%). 

So perhaps the argument could be made that it's harder to match to your 1st choice program in the US (although I don't think granular enough data exists to rigorously evaluate this), but overall, if you're willing to go anywhere or at least at open to like 10+ programs, your chances of matching are very good, even to competitive specialties. 

For example, looking at the published NRMP 2023 data: https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2023-Advance-Data-Tables-FINAL.pdf

Plastic surgery had 255 US MD Seniors apply for 207 seats. Comparatively, in Canada, there awere 81 applicants to 23 positions. 

This is an interesting point. I wonder if it's almost self selecting since the US has USMLE scores, which causes many applicants to pivot specialties before the match as opposed to Canada where the only indication you may have not be as competitive as you thought is after the match is over.

[Edict]

On 3/18/2023 at 1:39 PM, anon5678 said:

Do carms participants have a higher success rate of matching to top 3 than US/NRMP counterparts? Looking at the recent    red dit     thread for NRMP and it looks like a lot of people end up quite far down their ROL (5-10) or unmatched altogether

Don't forget there are more programs and programs are smaller overall. Each hospital in the US pretty much has its own program and so they tend to be small. Whereas most cities in Canada have one program max except for Montreal, in the US NY can have up to 30 different programs for some specialties. You can go down greatly on your ranklist and still be super happy with where you end up.