BIH20 Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 So would you say medicine is a way of life? just a profession? or even just a job? It's kind of hard to imagine that anyone would go through all that education, hard-work, and dedication, if they felt its just a job, but I guess its possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avenir001 Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 i'd say for me it's a career...but if u also happen to be a wonderful human being (like i am ), u can also think of it as a way of life...because this way, u can do so much for others that it's not just ur career anymore, but one of ur most important reasons for living Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Law Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 avenir is a wonderful person, and being more wonderful than her... I think it'll be a way of life! :p hehe okay in all honesty... our careers are a huge part of our lives, so I don't really understand what you mean by a "way of life" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avenir001 Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 avenir is a wonderful person, and being more wonderful than her... I think it'll be a way of life! :p hehe okay in all honesty... our careers are a huge part of our lives, so I don't really understand what you mean by a "way of life" what else is new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIH20 Posted November 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 "Way of Life" as in even after you go home your life is about medicine, reading up on things, or doing things that are related to that. Basically, 24/7 of medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Law Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I think if you do your job 24/7 regardless of who you are... you are crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avenir001 Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 well not really 24/7, but there are definitely ppl who live and breathe their careers...not me tho, i need my sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallinar Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 i'd say for me it's a career...but if u also happen to be a wonderful human being (like i am ), u can also think of it as a way of life...because this way, u can do so much for others that it's not just ur career anymore, but one of ur most important reasons for living While its great that medicine allows you to help others, how do you feel about having to help some that may not "deserve" it? People who are wife-beaters, child abusers, criminals, ungrateful etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Law Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Yeah, it's not the most rewarding feeling having to help people like that... but they still are people, and helping these people is a testament of your principles - your desire to believe in the importance of life regardless of who's life it is. The belief that it's not up to you to decide who is worthy and unworthy of receiving treatment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avenir001 Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 While its great that medicine allows you to help others, how do you feel about having to help some that may not "deserve" it? People who are wife-beaters, child abusers, criminals, ungrateful etc etc. hmm...well, i feel that it's not my place to judge who deserves it and who doesn't...i mean, maybe the wife deserved it loll..jkjkjk i donno...it's the weirdest thing, but sometimes i'm more proud of myself when i do smth nice for someone who's bad/mean...cuz how i see it is, there's nothing that special about being nice to someone who's nice to u...that's kind of a given...it's when u help "those who don't deserve it" that u're doing something really special...and sometimes u can see the person change a little bit as a result...and u then get a real kick out of setting a positive example for someone who maybe doesn't have too many of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallinar Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 hmm...well, i feel that it's not my place to judge who deserves it and who doesn't...i mean, maybe the wife deserved it loll..jkjkjk i donno...it's the weirdest thing, but sometimes i'm more proud of myself when i do smth nice for someone who's bad/mean...cuz how i see it is, there's nothing that special about being nice to someone who's nice to u...that's kind of a given...it's when u help "those who don't deserve it" that u're doing something really special...and sometimes u can see the person change a little bit as a result...and u then get a real kick out of setting a positive example for someone who maybe doesn't have too many of them. But some pplare clearly anti-social in nature, and by helping them "get back on their feet" you are not only increasing the risk of spreading such undesirable genes, but also increasing the risk of the beneficiary continueing his/her destructive activties (abuse, stealing etc etc). Don't get me wrong, i love helping people, especially those with diffucult adversity/conditions (probably b/c i went through similar things myself), but the idea of having to help people i desribed above makes me a little uneasy. Thankfully i believe in people generally being good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Law Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 avenir!!! I am shocked and aphauled! Yeah that's the other thing, the idea that maybe by helping them you can make them a better person (which is most often, a load of BS). I think by denying someone who wants medical care help is very savage... maybe that's why I hate capital punishment. It's barbaric, I think humans need to evolve past that - and rather than act based on their strong feelings of anger, hatred, etc... act out of the goodness of their heart and only hope for the best for the others they encounter, no matter how disgusting the other person may be. Imagine if the whole world did this! haha... anyway, obviously wanting this idealistic world and actually having it are two different things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Law Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 But some pplare clearly anti-social in nature, and by helping them "get back on their feet" you are not only increasing the risk of spreading such undesirable genes, but also increasing the risk of the beneficiary continueing his/her destructive activties (abuse, stealing etc etc). So you think it would be better just not to help them and let them suffer? Does that make you any better as a person? Also, I don't really see what genetics has to do with abuse and stealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avenir001 Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 avenir!!! I am shocked and aphauled! Yeah that's the other thing, the idea that maybe by helping them you can make them a better person (which is most often, a load of BS). I think by denying someone who wants medical care help is very savage... maybe that's why I hate capital punishment. It's barbaric, I think humans need to evolve past that - and rather than act based on their strong feelings of anger, hatred, etc... act out of the goodness of their heart and only hope for the best for the others they encounter, no matter how disgusting the other person may be. Imagine if the whole world did this! haha... anyway, obviously wanting this idealistic world and actually having it are two different things! well i'm not really talking about psychopaths...but other than that, there's always a chance that u can influence someone, even a criminal...but my main argument is, it's just not my place as a dr (maybe lol) to decide who's worthy and who's not...and keeping criminals from hurting ppl is really the justice system's responsibility...but even the criminals in jail should have access to good healthcare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallinar Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 So you think it would be better just not to help them and let them suffer? Does that make you any better as a person?Also, I don't really see what genetics has to do with abuse and stealing. Antisocial personality disorders have a genetic component if i'm not mistaken. APD is a broad term that refers to people who due to physiological reasons, are less prone to feelings of guilt, and are likely engage in self-serving activites at the expense of others. If i knew someone who abused his wife and kids, stole, etc etc, i would be reluctant to help them. What goes around comes around. Although if i was a doctor i would help them because it would be my duty as a physician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Law Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 well i'm not really talking about psychopaths...but other than that, there's always a chance that u can influence someone, even a criminal...but my main argument is, it's just not my place as a dr (maybe lol) to decide who's worthy and who's not...and keeping criminals from hurting ppl is really the justice system's responsibility...but even the criminals in jail should have access to good healthcare. ... time for the part where we poke fun at a previous p101 poster... "you are simply wrong!!!" moving on... I swear this happens to me ALL THE TIME, I read "as a doctor" and heard that on TV just now... that always happens to me! Like reading something and then hearing it on TV or radio or something... I'm a psychic yo (anyway) As avenir said, it's not your place as a doctor to ensure that criminals are not out on the street, it's your job to help heal others. To advocate for them. That's why we have police - now if you think someone's in danger or being abusive, then perhaps you should contact the police or talk to the people you think they abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest begaster Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 While its great that medicine allows you to help others, how do you feel about having to help some that may not "deserve" it? People who are wife-beaters, child abusers, criminals, ungrateful etc etc. Lumping the ungrateful in with the child abusers, eh? I think, ultimately, you do what you're trained to do. You can despise the person, but you're not a judge, jury, and executioner rolled up into one. Obviously, in a perfect world, doctors would only treat (and, of course, always manage to heal) the good and kindly, but that's not a realistic situation. Ultimately, I'm not going to say that some wife-beating junkie doesn't deserve my help. And, who knows, maybe one day he'll sober up and contribute to society. When you start allowing doctors to judge who they will help and who they will damn, based on their perceptions of social Darwinism, you're entering a very slippery slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallinar Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Lumping the ungrateful in with the child abusers, eh? I think, ultimately, you do what you're trained to do. You can despise the person, but you're not a judge, jury, and executioner rolled up into one. Obviously, in a perfect world, doctors would only treat (and, of course, always manage to heal) the good and kindly, but that's not a realistic situation. Ultimately, I'm not going to say that some wife-beating junkie doesn't deserve my help. And, who knows, maybe one day he'll sober up and contribute to society. When you start allowing doctors to judge who they will help and who they will damn, based on their perceptions of social Darwinism, you're entering a very slippery slope. I agree... my original posts were motivated by emotion i think (i got into an argument with a ****head at school today- gawd i hate jerks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Law Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Antisocial personality disorders have a genetic component if i'm not mistaken. APD is a broad term that refers to people who due to physiological reasons, are less prone to feelings of guilt, and are likely engage in self-serving activites at the expense of others. Yeah, it's interesting... it could possibly play a genetic role but clearly it requires tremendous influence of one's environment. If i knew someone who abused his wife and kids, stole, etc etc, i would be reluctant to help them. What goes around comes around. Although if i was a doctor i would help them because it would be my duty as a physician. If you felt happy to help, I'd be a little worried As you said, "duty" as a physician... what makes it a duty? I believe it's because of some of the points mentioned earlier. Physicians have a special role to fulfill... (we've really managed to derail this thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Law Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I agree... my original posts were motivated by emotion i think (i got into an argument with a ****head at school today- gawd i hate jerks). ugh, yeah it sucks. along the lines of what you were saying... it sucks when you're nice to people and they treat you like crap, but I guess I've always been one who tries to take the "high road" wherever that is. lol working at my dad's store, I had to serve customers were total ****heads all the time - and ugh I hated it so much lol. every now and then though, one would be so rude and you'd still be nice to them - and then they'd change their attitude by the time they left. most wouldn't - and yes, after doing it for years you sometimes tend to lose some tolerance for BS, but you still do your job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 But some pplare clearly anti-social in nature, and by helping them "get back on their feet" you are not only increasing the risk of spreading such undesirable genes, but also increasing the risk of the beneficiary continueing his/her destructive activties (abuse, stealing etc etc). Part of the reason they are like that are environmental. Going along with your gene-centred viewpoint, if those genes are still present after millions of years then they must have some adaptive advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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