jmlconkl Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 I am having hard time to decide between Queens & Ottawa. I have three choices Ottawa, Queens & Mac. As I understand from some people I know, It was easy to eliminate Mac. If I had UoT....I would obviously go for it. School reputation goes a long way and UoT provides great opportunities with some of the best teaching hospitals in the world. Look buddy: everyone on this forum are sick of your baseless, obsessive bashing of Mac. First, your suggestion that Mac is an inferior medical school compared to others in Ontario or Canada is simply false. Mac is easily one of the top schools in Canada as far as international reputation is concerned (outscores both of your "obviously superior" choices of Ottawa and Queens on the Gourmann report), and is known worldwide for innovations in just about all aspects of medical education. This doesn't mean their teaching style is ideal for everyone, but really, who cares? If you don't like it, go somewhere else. I talked to many students there and they all loved it, and seemed at least as happy as students at other ontario schools. (Note: I'm not saying the Gourman report relates in any way to how "good" the school truly is, but it DOES show that your attitidue that "everyone knows mac is the worst school" is completely false. Sorry, get over it). Secondly, why are you so obsessed about it? You place a derogatory comment towards Mac in just about EVERY one of your posts, regardless of whether it is relevant to the OP, even despite repeated replies from students of ALL ontario schools that Mac is in no way a worse school. Yeah yeah, i know you have, what, 1 or 2 friends who thought mac was a waste of money? Geuss what, by the time all the med students from "superior" schools started their residency, your friends who got "jipped" already had a year of resident experience under their belts and end up teaching students from other schools, so who really got the better deal? I am in no way suggesting Mac is "better" than other ontario schools, as everyone who can actually think for themself on this forum knows, the best school varies depending on the goals and preferences of the individual student. But for the record, I was accepted at both Mac and Toronto and the choice is by no means an easy one. I just wish I could read these threads without seeing unfounded and immature insults towards a great program everytime you post. Everyone knows your oppinion, and nobody cares, so please stop wasting your time and ours. Thank you. /rant (started as a reply in the original thread, but since it has nothing to do with the OP I'm putting it in a new thread).
In_Valid Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 Look buddy: everyone on this forum are sick of your baseless, obsessive bashing of Mac. First, your suggestion that Mac is an inferior medical school compared to others in Ontario or Canada is simply false. Mac is easily one of the top schools in Canada as far as international reputation is concerned (outscores both of your "obviously superior" choices of Ottawa and Queens on the Gourmann report), and is known worldwide for innovations in just about all aspects of medical education. This doesn't mean their teaching style is ideal for everyone, but really, who cares? If you don't like it, go somewhere else. I talked to many students there and they all loved it, and seemed at least as happy as students at other ontario schools. (Note: I'm not saying the Gourman report relates in any way to how "good" the school truly is, but it DOES show that your attitidue that "everyone knows mac is the worst school" is completely false. Sorry, get over it). Secondly, why are you so obsessed about it? You place a derogatory comment towards Mac in just about EVERY one of your posts, regardless of whether it is relevant to the OP, even despite repeated replies from students of ALL ontario schools that Mac is in no way a worse school. Yeah yeah, i know you have, what, 1 or 2 friends who thought mac was a waste of money? Geuss what, by the time all the med students from "superior" schools started their residency, your friends who got "jipped" already had a year of resident experience under their belts and end up teaching students from other schools, so who really got the better deal? I am in no way suggesting Mac is "better" than other ontario schools, as everyone who can actually think for themself on this forum knows, the best school varies depending on the goals and preferences of the individual student. But for the record, I was accepted at both Mac and Toronto and the choice is by no means an easy one. I just wish I could read these threads without seeing unfounded and immature insults towards a great program everytime you post. Everyone knows your oppinion, and nobody cares, so please stop wasting your time and ours. Thank you. /rant (started as a reply in the original thread, but since it has nothing to do with the OP I'm putting it in a new thread). lol cry.... If you want to go to Mac, go for it. Everyone has an opinion, learn to live with it.
ineffable Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 I was also accepted to Mac and U of T... but I chose U of T for a more structured approach to learning for building a solid foundation
Wolvenstar Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 wow he is stressing about more about this, then some people stress about getting accepted. Too bad this is just a online forum and no one should really give enough of a damn about what is said to get upset. Well at least people in the world can still surprise me...even if it's in a bad way.
A-Stark Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 I was also accepted to Mac and U of T... but I chose U of T for a more structured approach to learning for building a solid foundation Right - different approaches suit different people, but it's not like you can escape problem-based and/or self-directed small group learning at any school. It's as much a part of the curriculum at UofT as it is at Mac, though perhaps with different emphasis. Queen's has PBL too - Dal has tons of it! The major difference at Mac is that you get hardly any time off, to the point that you have to use your first summer elective as a sort of vacation. Certainly those first-year students make it sounds very relaxed, but I'm increasingly thinking that a more relaxed curriculum is more sensible for me (not that that means much speaking from the Mac/Queen's waitlists ).
apt Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 Look buddy: everyone on this forum are sick of your baseless, obsessive bashing of Mac. First, your suggestion that Mac is an inferior medical school compared to others in Ontario or Canada is simply false. Mac is easily one of the top schools in Canada as far as international reputation is concerned (outscores both of your "obviously superior" choices of Ottawa and Queens on the Gourmann report), and is known worldwide for innovations in just about all aspects of medical education. This doesn't mean their teaching style is ideal for everyone, but really, who cares? If you don't like it, go somewhere else. I talked to many students there and they all loved it, and seemed at least as happy as students at other ontario schools. (Note: I'm not saying the Gourman report relates in any way to how "good" the school truly is, but it DOES show that your attitidue that "everyone knows mac is the worst school" is completely false. Sorry, get over it). Secondly, why are you so obsessed about it? You place a derogatory comment towards Mac in just about EVERY one of your posts, regardless of whether it is relevant to the OP, even despite repeated replies from students of ALL ontario schools that Mac is in no way a worse school. Yeah yeah, i know you have, what, 1 or 2 friends who thought mac was a waste of money? Geuss what, by the time all the med students from "superior" schools started their residency, your friends who got "jipped" already had a year of resident experience under their belts and end up teaching students from other schools, so who really got the better deal? I am in no way suggesting Mac is "better" than other ontario schools, as everyone who can actually think for themself on this forum knows, the best school varies depending on the goals and preferences of the individual student. But for the record, I was accepted at both Mac and Toronto and the choice is by no means an easy one. I just wish I could read these threads without seeing unfounded and immature insults towards a great program everytime you post. Everyone knows your oppinion, and nobody cares, so please stop wasting your time and ours. Thank you. /rant (started as a reply in the original thread, but since it has nothing to do with the OP I'm putting it in a new thread). Wow! I don't think I meant all this.......If it hurts you, I apologize.
Wolvenstar Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 Dude if I could I would give you a medal for being able to elicit such a response.
bwbl Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 Well....here's just another perspective...I have no idea how representative this is of the rest of the world. I go to med school in Ireland and almost EVERY SINGLE INSTRUCTOR here has heard of and know about McMaster University (for their PBL program, etc.). As far as I know, the only people who has heard of University of Toronto or know about the school are the Canadian students. I did my undergrad at McGill and met many Americans at McGill - they also said that U of T isn't very well known in the States. I like U of T a lot....and I also like Mac a lot. I think both schools are AMAZING and honestly, if I were accepted into either one of those schools when I was applying to med, I would have gone in a heartbeat. I make no judgments and I don't pretend what I am hearing or experiencing here in Ireland is universal - just trying to give you another perspective...that's all.
thunder12 Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 Well....here's just another perspective...I have no idea how representative this is of the rest of the world. I go to med school in Ireland and almost EVERY SINGLE INSTRUCTOR here has heard of and know about McMaster University (for their PBL program, etc.). As far as I know, the only people who has heard of University of Toronto or know about the school are the Canadian students. I did my undergrad at McGill and met many Americans at McGill - they also said that U of T isn't very well known in the States. I like U of T a lot....and I also like Mac a lot. I think both schools are AMAZING and honestly, if I were accepted into either one of those schools when I was applying to med, I would have gone in a heartbeat. I make no judgments and I don't pretend what I am hearing or experiencing here in Ireland is universal - just trying to give you another perspective...that's all. You are right. Mac is better known for some reason. However that is due to its past reputation. Once upon a time it was rated high. I do not know the basis of various ratings, but McGill & UoT now share the top spot. Not too many Mac MDs get into good specialties probably due to too much to do in 3 years program and that too purely self directed.
In_Valid Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 You are right. Mac is better known for some reason. However that is due to its past reputation. Once upon a time it was rated high. I do not know the basis of various ratings, but McGill & UoT now share the top spot. Not too many Mac MDs get into good specialties probably due to too much to do in 3 years program and that too purely self directed. lol, don't stoke the flames.
Superking25 Posted May 18, 2008 Report Posted May 18, 2008 If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Isn't that exactly what he's trying to decide?
notERDoc Posted May 18, 2008 Report Posted May 18, 2008 Not too many Mac MDs get into good specialties probably due to too much to do in 3 years program and that too purely self directed. Is this based on evidence? I've looked at CaRMS stats and it appears that all schools are within the spread of a few percent as far as getting matched into the top ranked speciality - Mac was not at the bottom either. Isn't it more important for students to achieve their desired specialty versus a higher percentage of the class getting into "good specialities" (taken to mean competitive).
apt Posted May 18, 2008 Report Posted May 18, 2008 Isn't that exactly what he's trying to decide? Anyway, I am quitting this forum. I apologize if I have hurt feelings of any one.
thunder12 Posted May 20, 2008 Report Posted May 20, 2008 Anyway, I am quitting this forum. I apologize if I have hurt feelings of any one. I do not think you hurt any feelings. You have every right to express your views. Guys why is this apt bashing?
kaysersoze Posted May 20, 2008 Report Posted May 20, 2008 yo apt...i hear queens sucks...they make you eat roadkill what? i'm not on teh queens waitlist..u guys are crazy
Valentine Posted May 22, 2008 Report Posted May 22, 2008 Look buddy: everyone on this forum are sick of your baseless, obsessive bashing of Mac. First, your suggestion that Mac is an inferior medical school compared to others in Ontario or Canada is simply false. Mac is easily one of the top schools in Canada as far as international reputation is concerned (outscores both of your "obviously superior" choices of Ottawa and Queens on the Gourmann report), and is known worldwide for innovations in just about all aspects of medical education. This doesn't mean their teaching style is ideal for everyone, but really, who cares? If you don't like it, go somewhere else. I talked to many students there and they all loved it, and seemed at least as happy as students at other ontario schools. (Note: I'm not saying the Gourman report relates in any way to how "good" the school truly is, but it DOES show that your attitidue that "everyone knows mac is the worst school" is completely false. Sorry, get over it). Secondly, why are you so obsessed about it? You place a derogatory comment towards Mac in just about EVERY one of your posts, regardless of whether it is relevant to the OP, even despite repeated replies from students of ALL ontario schools that Mac is in no way a worse school. Yeah yeah, i know you have, what, 1 or 2 friends who thought mac was a waste of money? Geuss what, by the time all the med students from "superior" schools started their residency, your friends who got "jipped" already had a year of resident experience under their belts and end up teaching students from other schools, so who really got the better deal? I am in no way suggesting Mac is "better" than other ontario schools, as everyone who can actually think for themself on this forum knows, the best school varies depending on the goals and preferences of the individual student. But for the record, I was accepted at both Mac and Toronto and the choice is by no means an easy one. I just wish I could read these threads without seeing unfounded and immature insults towards a great program everytime you post. Everyone knows your oppinion, and nobody cares, so please stop wasting your time and ours. Thank you. /rant (started as a reply in the original thread, but since it has nothing to do with the OP I'm putting it in a new thread). LOL @ UR GRR!
estairella Posted May 22, 2008 Report Posted May 22, 2008 apt = anti-Mac troll thunder12 = anti-Mac troll (and probable sockpuppet of apt) Look at their old posts, every single one consists of Mac bashing. Not to mention, the accounts were created this month and last month. *yawn* Nice try, come again.
mbene085 Posted May 23, 2008 Report Posted May 23, 2008 apt = anti-Mac trollthunder12 = anti-Mac troll (and probable sockpuppet of apt) Look at their old posts, every single one consists of Mac bashing. Not to mention, the accounts were created this month and last month. *yawn* Nice try, come again. Like all trolls, he'll probably be back with a new username after "quitting" these boards to dump his bad rep.
GatewayMD Posted May 23, 2008 Report Posted May 23, 2008 I'm 100% sure I already settled this topic on an earlier thread... This exactly is my concern. I do not want to end up being family physician. I want specialty of my choice. That is why my first choice is UofT, 2nd choice Queens, 3rd choice UoO & last choice Mac (no offenses). No offenses but your not getting in to med....or maybe you are just trolling for an argument. anyways as a new member i've noticed this board has some anti mac issues that need to be resolved so here is the only list you should go by similar to the one i posted 10 minutes ago UofT = school for virgins Queens = school for butchers/serial killers/prison escapees UWO = only if you have those wierd boots bug eyed sunglasses and 68 pairs of yoga pants Mac = Awesome place where everyone is chilling and plays acoustic guitar, and 67% of the population has a dirty handlebar mustache turns out he did get into med so I look silly, but i stand by my post.
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