spiceandsausageburglar Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I won't give away any spoilers but I'll add my 2 cents once the discussion starts. So what do you think? Is she too fat? Does it matter? Was this newsworthy? (or was it just Foxworthy?) btw that trainer guy is such an A-hole! What do you think about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prothrombin Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Who the fu ck cares about how heavy the Surgeon General is? She's probably a great leader with lots of character and lots of experience. Weight has nothing to do with medical experience, this guy is a retard. Almost none of his comments hold any legitimacy. Like for example he says that she's overweight not due to genetic disposition but due to poor eating habits, but that's absurd because overeating is NOT the only way someone gains weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayven Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 In a comic book kind of way, we as society created douchebags like him. If we didn't idolize beauty in such rigid standards then he wouldn't be making a buck pieing chubbies. It's just funny that he could say someone who got into such a high office as the surgeon general is lazy meanwhile he needs to wear his stupid shirt to advertise as much airtime for his business on Fox news no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChexMix Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 haha I am sure this is pretty much for lolz. Whoever takes Fox News seriously is just wasting precious energy. It IS kind of funny and sad at the same time to watch this guy and his commercials though. And brooksbane, I don't get how she looks fat. She's looks pretty normal for someone her age. I mean she is by no means obese. And although I agree her position is more symbolic than anything, isn't it more important that she is healthy (which she appears to be) than skinny? Would you rather have some person looking like that bald guy as the surgeon general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godot Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Her presence as a figurehead is confirming to the vast overweight american public that its ok to be fat. I really don't think this is true. Fat people know they're fat, and there's enough shame about being fat in our culture that one fat successful person is not going to make it seem "okay." Why is this even an issue? This is not important at all. It seems to me like the issue is being raised by self-important people in the media, being shrill for attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8kg6 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I think her weight only comes into play because of the fact that she has done very little with respect to diabetes or obesity in the community (can't link source, but it was from watching a cnn piece on her the other day). These are HUGE issues facing the USA, as well as most other industrialized countries, and are also typically associated with elevated BMIs. So, I dunno, it's just kind of insult to injury... but in general, a person's weight shouldn't play into their employment, except in extreme cases or specialized careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfieMike Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I tend to agree with Brooksbane on this one. This woman is to be put in a job where she is the #1 go-to person for public health policy. She will be dealing with huge issues like obesity and diabetes [pardon the pun] and yet is overweight herself. How do you convince the general public that it is unhealthy to be overweight if you are overweight yourself? the "do as I say and not as I do" phenomenon will not work for a position of such high power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prothrombin Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Whether or not she has the credentials to perform well as the SG is unknown. She might. She might not. What is clear is that she is fat. The bald guy has a point: you don't get fat overnight, and the vast vast majority of obesity is due to poor eating and exercise habits. Sure peoples genetics play a role, but the people can subvert obesity by adapting to their genetics. Those who dont made a clear and obvious choice to let their bodies become unhealthy. Its really no different than a chronic smoker or an alcoholic, only the substance involved is food. Since this is a position that the american public looks up to, and since the american public is mostly overweight(something in the range of sixtysix percent of the pop.) then I would have to agree with the bald guy. Her presence as a figurehead is confirming to the vast overweight american public that its ok to be fat. The commentator, on the other hand, is a moron. Why cant these guys just shut up and not interrupt a guest when the guest is talking? So you're saying that she is overweight because she chose to be so? That's a pile of sh!t straight up. Yes there are millions of Americans who choose not to do anything about their weight and choose to live the unhealthy lifestyle they currently have, but at the same time there are millions of Americans who are just more susceptible to fluctuations in weight than other people. Whether it be due to stress, metabolism or what not, you cannot give the guest any credit for discounting her as an appropriate candidate because of her weight. I'm guessing then, that you think the Surgeon General has to take on a perfect physique with an near perfect BMI and a vigorous daily workout routine? I'd sure as hell hope not because that's retarded. I understand that you need to nominate individuals who are qualified candidates, but weight should not be a deciding factor. She's not morbidly obese, so I really don't see a problem. Requiring government officials to fit certain physical guidelines to be accepted for a job is pretty fu cking sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prothrombin Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I tend to agree with Brooksbane on this one. This woman is to be put in a job where she is the #1 go-to person for public health policy. She will be dealing with huge issues like obesity and diabetes [pardon the pun] and yet is overweight herself. How do you convince the general public that it is unhealthy to be overweight if you are overweight yourself? the "do as I say and not as I do" phenomenon will not work for a position of such high power How then do you convince the general public that you don't have to be a fitness guru to have a good job? The government has a responsibility of setting examples for its citizens yes, but not hiring a completely qualified candidate for a position because she isn't slim is even worse because it's a blatant form of discrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfieMike Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 How then do you convince the general public that you don't have to be a fitness guru to have a good job? The government has a responsibility of setting examples for its citizens yes, but not hiring a completely qualified candidate for a position because she isn't slim is even worse because it's a blatant form of discrimination. you wouldn't hire a highly qualified chain smoker to lead an anti-smoking campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avenir001 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 yes she's a little too fat..but with law's workout regimen she can be supermodel-hot in 4 months. more importantly, the show's host Cenk Uygur is hot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochi1543 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Dude, I'd be a fat surgeon general over a numbskull personal trainer any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prothrombin Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 you wouldn't hire a highly qualified chain smoker to lead an anti-smoking campaign How, for a fact, do you know that she is overweight due to poor eating habits and an unhealthy lifestyle and not for some other reason? You don't know, therefore meaning you are dismissing her candidacy solely based on her physical appearance and not on her medical qualifications for which you know nothing of. Like I said, she is not morbidly obese (which would be a whole different story) but she just doesn't have a perfect physique. We should be judging her based on her medical achievements and not on the way she looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8kg6 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Fellas, read my post on the first page. She really just isn't the best woman for the job, and it's not because of her weight. According to CNN, she just doesn't know what the deal is with obesity and diabetes. Like, she's done very little in the community with those diseases. Since they're the forefront diseases arising from a sedentary lifestyle in the US (except for maybe cardiovascular illness), and her new job will be mostly public health policy, she just isn't qualified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Law Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 yes she's a little too fat..but with law's workout regimen she can be supermodel-hot in 4 months. more importantly, the show's host Cenk Uygur is hot Do I sense sarcasm? :p ps, you're hot. ooo yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfieMike Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 How, for a fact, do you know that she is overweight due to poor eating habits and an unhealthy lifestyle and not for some other reason? You don't know, therefore meaning you are dismissing her candidacy solely based on her physical appearance and not on her medical qualifications for which you know nothing of. Like I said, she is not morbidly obese (which would be a whole different story) but she just doesn't have a perfect physique. We should be judging her based on her medical achievements and not on the way she looks. SHE WAS A SPOKESPERSON FOR ****ING BURGER KING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prothrombin Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 SHE WAS A SPOKESPERSON FOR ****ING BURGER KING! Ok well in that case I retract all previous comments:o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochi1543 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 SHE WAS A SPOKESPERSON FOR ****ING BURGER KING! Considering how much money you'd make off of that, I'd gladly become a spokesperson for poop hot dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dampy Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I think if everyone spent an extra 12 hours a week raving we would all be a lot healthier. The government should have public dance parties where DJ's spin all night and people just let loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medordie Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I don't think she is obese, yes, she is overweight, but I bet if she got a breast reduction she would look a whole lot thinner. To my knowledge she was never a 'spokesperson' for BK. She was a scientific advisor. Maybe she was promoting healthier options or helping them rid their foods of trans fats? I'm always amazed how people are ready to assume the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOC_Ma Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I tend to agree with Brooksbane on this one. This woman is to be put in a job where she is the #1 go-to person for public health policy. She will be dealing with huge issues like obesity and diabetes [pardon the pun] and yet is overweight herself. How do you convince the general public that it is unhealthy to be overweight if you are overweight yourself? the "do as I say and not as I do" phenomenon will not work for a position of such high power This reminds me of 2 people, 1 my grade 8 teacher, she is def 50 pounds overweight (don't need good eyes to see that) but she teaches Gym classes and taught us how to exercise in order to lose weight (ya right very convincing). Another one is my uni prof, she taught us healthy diet + proper exercise in order to lose weight and remain healthy but she is like obese , I am not making personal attacks to those 2 people above but do u really think the information that they convey is convincing? I didn't buy it. Point is, sometimes it is important for one to set an example himself/herself in order to convince others this applies in this Surgeon general case as well. However, difference between me and the guy is that I am polite enough to not say anything and treated them with respect and this guy is an A-hole for saying such mean things to the obesed women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfieMike Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I don't think she is obese, yes, she is overweight, but I bet if she got a breast reduction she would look a whole lot thinner. To my knowledge she was never a 'spokesperson' for BK. She was a scientific advisor. Maybe she was promoting healthier options or helping them rid their foods of trans fats? I'm always amazed how people are ready to assume the worst. healthier options? Don't eat burger king. Even I can be surgeon general with that sort of scientific advice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourning Cloak Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 You choose the person to be the surgeon general who knows the most about "the best scientific information available on how to improve . . . health and reduce the risk of illness and injury". If she's ignorant, that's one thing. But because she's not skinny? Would you turn down an excellent plastic surgeon because he was ugly? Or a skilled dentist because he didn't have perfect teeth? It doesn't matter what they don't do for themselves . . . it matters what they can do for you. (Besides which, do you really want to be lectured at by some marathon-running wheat-grass-juice-drinking fitness zealot? A couple too many of those Hal and Joanne participaction commericals on TV in a row and I'm ready to build a zip gun and do it! do it! do it!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medordie Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 So, Newfie Mike, I'm sure you never eat at BK or any other fast food places? I would guess that the majority of people on this board do, it is pretty much a part of modern life. You will likely find that saying to your patients/the public "Don't eat at BK" is not going to be helpful. Alastriss, no you are not off the mark. I think a lot of the obesity problem has to do with calories in/out but like most things in life, it is not that simple in all cases. In any case it doesn't seem like the students on this board will be particularly helpful to their patients dealing with these issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
token Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 A couple too many of those Hal and Joanne participaction commericals on TV in a row and I'm ready to build a zip gun and do it! do it! do it! I don't have an opinion on Dr. Benjamin, but I just have to defend Hal and Jo. Occasionally when I consider skipping a workout I seriously get flashbacks of the Body Breaks from my YTV watching days. The Canadian government did a good job of imprinting participaction on me at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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