starpower Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 I was just wondering what schools outside of Quebec would be the most realistic option for a candidate with decent undergraduate grades. While it is quite obvious that in province applications are more likely to bear fruit since the system favors local students, where else in Canada do Quebecers have a realistic chance of being accepted? Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 I was just wondering what schools outside of Quebec would be the most realistic option for a candidate with decent undergraduate grades. While it is quite obvious that in province applications are more likely to bear fruit since the system favors local students, where else in Canada do Quebecers have a realistic chance of being accepted? Any ideas? Nos. 1 & 2 below have a level playing field, that is to say, there is no OP quota, no quota for applicants form out of province. In other words, based upon the numbers, things being equal, your chances of acceptance into U/T and Queen's are actually higher than for McGill - b/c for McGill, you are fighting for just 37 seats assuming you are in UG going for just the MD, whereas in U/T, there are 249 seats up for grabs and Queen's therre are 100. Dal on the other hand, you have a 7 seat quota, higher quota at U/C and Mac, etc. But then if you are interviewed as OP at one of the schools out there, even if you only make the wiat list, your chances of acceptance are good b/c the OPs accepted will always choose a school closer to home or IP, so the lists move. Applying is similar to poker or gamb ling, it is definitely a lottery, and you choose stratergies to cover your bets and to increase the odds. 1. U/T 1,000 word Essay is very important. MCAT only used as 'red flag'. 3.9 is 'av.' GPA for accepted candidates 2. Queen's handwritten essay pre_MMI (may change to being computerized) 3. Mac VR/ASB/GPA=32% each pre MMI...fighting for 21 OOP seats. 5% chance of OOP being interviewed (942 OP apply, 50 interview)* 4. UWO honours bach. program or "equivalent" (meaning can get into a Masters program) 5. U/C 27 OOP seats avail. On-site essay given at time of MMI. Final Ranking:MMI=50%, Pre-Interview=40%, On-site essay=10% 6. Ottawa depending upon prereqs <(I forget what 7. U/A depending upon prereqs <(they are, but I 28? OP seats avail. 8. UBC depending upon prereqs <(cannot now apply 10-12 OP acceptance (499 OP apply, 37 interviewed)* 9. Dal abt 8 out of region acceptance 10. U/Manitoba 10 seats for OP (619 OP apply, 59 interviewed)* 11.U/Sask 6 seats for OP (388 OP apply, 50 interviewed)* 12.Memorial 8 seats for OP * = old stats How is that for starters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-TheNon-MD Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 ... b/c for McGill, you are fighting for just 37 seats assuming you are in UG going for just the MD. How do you get that number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 non-CEGEP, there are 75 seats for IP UGs, half for straight MDCM and the other half for dual degree programs and I think 8 seats for OP...so, we are fighting for half of those 75 seats. And, should there be no dual degree applicants, in that case only, we are fighting for 75 seats max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 NOTE: Post #2 above has more info now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebouque Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 half of the seats for university students are dual programs??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 To the best of my knowledge and belief, that is the case for McGill. However, I would presume that as the appplication pool changes from year to year, so do the numbers. Obviously, there are so many seats available for IP UGs, and t hese seats are going to be filled just b/c there are sufficinet numbers of single degree applicants to fill the class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star1234 Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Hmmmm....if by dual programs, you mean MD/Ph.D and MD/MBA, that's not right. I think in the entering class this year there are only 2 MD/Ph.D students (and like 5 within the entire program). I sat through the MD convocation in May and only saw one MD/MBA student graduate. I believe it's closer to 70 spots for UG, 5 spots for dual programs, and like 80 spots for cegep premeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 hmmm, well my understanding from rading the McGill site is that there are many more spots for the dual degree, i.e., MD/PhD or MD/MBA. As they are not all used normally, well then, you are correct, the seats available to dual degree students will go to the other IP students who enter med school with a bachelor's degree. So, 75 seats IP, half dual degree, but those unused go to the single degree program students. We are saying the same thing, except I am explaining how to get to the calculation you have made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontariostudent Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Hmmmm....if by dual programs, you mean MD/Ph.D and MD/MBA, that's not right. I think in the entering class this year there are only 2 MD/Ph.D students (and like 5 within the entire program). I sat through the MD convocation in May and only saw one MD/MBA student graduate. I believe it's closer to 70 spots for UG, 5 spots for dual programs, and like 80 spots for cegep premeds. I'm pretty sure it's around 70 as well. As far as I know, an IP student has a much better chance of getting into McGill than they would as an OOP at any school outside of Quebec. The answers are right here: http://www.afmc.ca/pdf/2009AdBk.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 yes 158 IP, knock off 80 from CEGEP, leaving 78 IP UG for both dual and single MD program, slice the 78 any way you wish, lets assume 20 in dual program, so 58 IP UG seats for MD program..no dual degree canidates, then78 IP UG seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontariostudent Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 yes 158 IP, knock off 80 from CEGEP, leaving 78 IP UG for both dual and single MD program, slice the 78 any way you wish, lets assume 20 in dual program, so 58 IP UG seats for MD program..no dual degree canidates, then78 IP UG seats 20??? Also, people who apply to dual programs are usually evaluated separately by each program and the don't usually have a quota, but maybe McGill is different. In any case, McGill has much fewer applicants for those spots. The ON schools get almost 3000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I picked a random no. of 20, it might be 2, there are total abt 158 IP UG seats available. Yes, each faculty must approve, but if medicine approves and other faculty does, there are 75 seats theoretically avialble ofr these dual degree students. There is a quota at McGill, somewhere on their website. Being IP and local, McGill is my first choice, aslthough I will apply to U/T, others OP and all IP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-TheNon-MD Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 There are no special quotas or reservations for those applying to a dual-degree program. All of the applicants, regardless of program, are competing against their own pool ( IP, OOP, INTL). future_doc: Your numbers assume that all dual-degree applicants are IP (ie: that they take from the 75 IP spots), but there are many OOP and INTL applicants to the dual-programs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I will verify my source and revert back to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 There are no special quotas or reservations for those applying to a dual-degree program. All of the applicants, regardless of program, are competing against their own pool ( IP, OOP, INTL). future_doc: Your numbers assume that all dual-degree applicants are IP (ie: that they take from the 75 IP spots), but there are many OOP and INTL applicants to the dual-programs too. Residents of Quebec with university degrees are in the category of approx 75 seats, whether dual degree or not – this is one of the applicant categories There are OOP and INTL categories with very limited numbers I accidentally came across a site for 1997 and then, there were only 5 seats available for the dual MDCM-MBA program. I assume, but do not know, that there is a quota today for the dual degree programs but in all probability, it would be a theretical limit if such a cap goes exist. Thank you for correcting me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-TheNon-MD Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 ... no prob! I accidentally came across a site for 1997 and then, there were only 5 seats available for the dual MDCM-MBA program. Wow! From 1997, eh? Would you happen to have that link? I'd love to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/reprint/156/11/1612.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 malkynn, what you say makes perfect sense and I definitely want to go to McGill as an IP Montrealer. However, b/c this is a lottery, I will also apply to every other Que med school and at least to Queen's and U/T that do not discriminate against an OOP. Its all about hedging your bets, buying several lolttery tickets so to speak, and should more than one med school accept me, then I wil make the best selection. However, as an example, should only Queen's accept me, well then I will be good to go. And yes, we really get a break on the tuition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starpower Posted September 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 What about American schools? Do any of you think it might be worth applying south of the border? I know there is a whole section on American medical schools but do Quebecers traditionally have success applying to the US and if so to which schools? Thanks guys! You've been very helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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