supafield Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 At my info session at Ottawa today, Chantal Renaud said at the last meeting of the medical schools (Ontario ones) that they agreed to ditch provisional acceptances this year. So this year, if you get an acceptance and are waitlisted at your top schools.... there's no holding out. You could refuse the offer if you were ever so crazy.... but no waiting around for a couple weeks. All acceptances are firm. I imagine that'll make most of the waitlist movement happen quickly this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MansionMD Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Can someone confirm the (in)validity of this? It seems like all official OMSAS documents say that provisional becomes firm on June 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supafield Posted April 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Can someone confirm the (in)validity of this? It seems like all official OMSAS documents say that provisional becomes firm on June 13. I don't know a more official source.... this is was I got from someone in the Ottawa admissions office. I would call OMSAS or another admissions office if you want to hear it directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MansionMD Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 If this is something they just changed, maybe they happened published it yet? (I'm not doubting you... this is definitely possible) Anyways, this means less choice for accepted people, and less waiting for waitlisted people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrne Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Can someone confirm the (in)validity of this? It seems like all official OMSAS documents say that provisional becomes firm on June 13. Same thing was mentioned at my Ottawa info session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MansionMD Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 This is a cool development. Thanks for sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostCause Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 This should make things move a lot faster. I think schools got tired of spending all summer filling up their class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedIn2010 Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Can someone confirm the (in)validity of this? It seems like all official OMSAS documents say that provisional becomes firm on June 13. Looking at the list of important dates online, there is no mention of this date. Does anyone know if it was on there earlier this cycle or in previous cycles? http://www.ouac.on.ca/omsas/omsas-dates.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 So....can't they just wait before accepting their seat then? Don't they still have 2 weeks to reply to the offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supafield Posted April 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 So....can't they just wait before accepting their seat then? Don't they still have 2 weeks to reply to the offer? 2 weeks to reply.... but initial waitlist movement doesn't start until those 2 weeks are up... or at least that's the way it was in the past. with the provisional acceptance, it was closer to 4 weeks allowing you to try at least a little to wait on waitlists for a better offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 2 weeks to reply.... but initial waitlist movement doesn't start until those 2 weeks are up... or at least that's the way it was in the past. with the provisional acceptance, it was closer to 4 weeks allowing you to try at least a little to wait on waitlists for a better offer. So, previously, people were permitted to accept seats and later decline? I thought that once you accepted a seat with OMSAS it automatically declines all other offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medicant Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 This change was also confirmed on the u of t admissions blog in the comments section... My take: its a pretty terrible development. Schools should want the best students to attend them - instituting this policy favors poorer applicants, who have no acceptances, over the better ones who have acceptances at their lower choices but not the top one. Yes, I know, medicine is a privilege....blah blah blah...all the schools are great...blah blah blah. The fact remains that most of us have a clear cut top choice and often the reasons are personal and non-academic. Thus the suckage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamP Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 This change was also confirmed on the u of t admissions blog in the comments section... My take: its a pretty terrible development. Schools should want the best students to attend them - instituting this policy favors poorer applicants, who have no acceptances, over the better ones who have acceptances at their lower choices but not the top one. Yes, I know, medicine is a privilege....blah blah blah...all the schools are great...blah blah blah. The fact remains that most of us have a clear cut top choice and often the reasons are personal and non-academic. Thus the suckage. Mind if I ask what your clear cut top choice is and why? I've interviewed at all the southern ont schools and can't see any clear cut school that's best so far. And i've thought about it a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBP Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Mind if I ask what your clear cut top choice is and why? I've interviewed at all the southern ont schools and can't see any clear cut school that's best so far. And i've thought about it a lot. medicant just said non-academic personal factors (i.e. family, friends, relationships). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBP Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Looks like there's going to be two huge days this year. May 13 and May 27... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Looks like there's going to be two huge days this year. May 13 and May 27... Sounds about right - although maybe a bit later than the 27th, just to get things processed etc. Interesting change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikachu Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 I wonder if the schools will decide to send out more initial acceptances than normal (i.e. class size + a highly likely portion of normal waitlist movement [like 20-30 at bigger schools]) in order to secure more acceptances from their top choice of candidates. You would think they would take some measures to counter the effects this could have on their chances of having their top candidates matriculate into their school... or maybe they'd just rather go on summer vacation sooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supafield Posted April 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 I've read comments in the minutes of Queen's SOMAC meetings to suggest some schools already do this and that Queen's was thinking of doing it as well. This was as of 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MansionMD Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 I wonder if the schools will decide to send out more initial acceptances than normal (i.e. class size + a highly likely portion of normal waitlist movement [like 20-30 at bigger schools]) in order to secure more acceptances from their top choice of candidates. You would think they would take some measures to counter the effects this could have on their chances of having their top candidates matriculate into their school... or maybe they'd just rather go on summer vacation sooner I wish they did this too, but just imagine the consequences of overaccepting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MansionMD Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Looks like there's going to be two huge days this year. May 13 and May 27... Now that I think about it, if you don't get an acceptance by the second date, then what reason would there be for waitlists to move? None, right? i.e. if you don't get accepted two weeks after the initial date... you're done for this cycle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supafield Posted April 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Now that I think about it, if you don't get an acceptance by the second date, then what reason would there be for waitlists to move? None, right? i.e. if you don't get accepted two weeks after the initial date... you're done for this cycle? there will still be some OOP movement. This is just an agreement between OMSAS schools.... But you're right, the majority of waitlist movement should happen very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikachu Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Now that I think about it, if you don't get an acceptance by the second date, then what reason would there be for waitlists to move? None, right? i.e. if you don't get accepted two weeks after the initial date... you're done for this cycle? Well, people could who didn't get an initial invite could get multiple offers on the second date leaving some spots open once they choose. But ya... you'd expect the majority of the spots should fill up within the first 2 rounds unless there is huge overlap in some schools' initial acceptance pool and wait list order... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medicant Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 also, one has the odd late summer drop out due to personal reasons such as health (sometimes a deferral, same effect on the current class) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Yes, but just because ppl get their "lower" choice as a first offer, doesn't mean they'll accept right away and cutoff their chances. They can still wait throughout the two week period to see if they get a "better" offer and then decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MansionMD Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Yes, but just because ppl get their "lower" choice as a first offer, doesn't mean they'll accept right away and cutoff their chances. They can still wait throughout the two week period to see if they get a "better" offer and then decline. How can they get another offer WITHIN the 2 week period after May 13? Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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