Alberta cuts

[sfinch]

An interesting byproduct of the Alberta cuts (anticipated 100 medical spots being cut), is that the Canadian schools that treat everyone equally (like queen's and toronto), or close (like uwo) may have less waitlist movement as Alberta residents may be forced to go to med school out of province.

 

Curious about thoughts here.

[takashi]

WOW, 100 spots?! Thats like half to an entire medical school! I am not familiar with how many OOPs are invited to to UofT so I cant really comment on how it would affect the waitlist movement. I would suspect that it would affect it but not as large as you would think because the effect would diffuse across the entire country.

[sfinch]

Not sure how much it would diffuse around the country. Almost all OOP schools are brutally hard to get into for Albertans. The few that get in, usually are easily in the top group in Alberta and get into an Alberta school.

 

The difference with UofT (and even more so Queen's) is that they treat all Canadians equally. UWO treats non swomen Canadians equally as well. In other words, many people offered interviews, even non Ontario people, at those schools, are not super super super stars. Meaning that they might not get into their own province as much as not getting into queen's or toronto.

 

This means we might expect more alberta people at toronto and queen's, than otherwise expected. Of the 100 that don't get in but otherwise would have, I think it's not unreasonable to think maybe 25 get in elsewhere in the country which was not their first choice (mainly Ontario) - with maybe 10 or so at Toronto, Queen's and UWO each. That is not insignificant (especially for queen's - with 100 spots only).

 

Just speculation. But it's basically a whole medical school being cut. 100 spots would have been larger than every med school in ontario except toronto only a decade ago.

[HBP]

I don't think so. Gotta remember that IP cutoffs for Alberta schools are low. The IP Alberta residents who don't make it into their Alberta schools likely aren't competitive at UT. The ones who are (as you mentioned) will get into their Alberta schools.

[sfinch]

I don't think so. Gotta remember that IP cutoffs for Alberta schools are low. The IP Alberta residents who don't make it into their Alberta schools likely aren't competitive at UT. The ones who are (as you mentioned) will get into their Alberta schools.

 

I don't disagree with that. But any Canadian getting into UofT is EASIER than an OOP getting into

 

UBC, UofA, UofS, UofC, DAL, McGill, Memorial, etc etc. Most of those places only offer interviews to maybe 50-75 OOP people for 5-20ish spots.

 

UofT Academic standards are high, but there are 250 spots, mcat standards are quite low, and grad students get significant slack.

 

Grad applicants are a bit random. I suspect many grad students may be borderline even IP post interview but have a good chance at UofT.

 

Plus many high GPA people will bomb the IP medical interviews - but might get by at UofT, where the interview is only 20%.

[HBP]

I agree, OOP is tough. But most OOP's turn down their offers to Alberta schools anyway since they have outstanding stats and multiple acceptances (likely in their home province).

 

I think the lack of provisional acceptance will increase WL movement at UT far more than this Alberta effect will decrease it.

[takashi]

I don't disagree with that. But any Canadian getting into UofT is EASIER than an OOP getting into

 

UBC, UofA, UofS, UofC, DAL, McGill, Memorial, etc etc. Most of those places only offer interviews to maybe 50-75 OOP people for 5-20ish spots.

 

UofT Academic standards are high, but there are 250 spots, mcat standards are quite low, and grad students get significant slack.

 

Grad applicants are a bit random. I suspect many grad students may be borderline even IP post interview but have a good chance at UofT.

 

Plus many high GPA people will bomb the IP medical interviews - but might get by at UofT, where the interview is only 20%.

 

Why do you assume that many people with high GPAs will bomb their interviews? High GPA does not necessarily signify poor communications skills...

[sfinch]

Why do you assume that many people with high GPAs will bomb their interviews? High GPA does not necessarily signify poor communications skills...

 

You read too much into my post.

 

A high GPA does not guarantee getting into any medical school. I can talk from experience. Some high gpa people will bomb a UoA interview, but might get into UofT. That is all I was saying.

 

Geesh....

[DOC_Ma]

An interesting byproduct of the Alberta cuts (anticipated 100 medical spots being cut), is that the Canadian schools that treat everyone equally (like queen's and toronto), or close (like uwo) may have less waitlist movement as Alberta residents may be forced to go to med school out of province.

 

Curious about thoughts here.

 

Where is the source for this? And is it for this year?

[HBP]

Where is the source for this? And is it for this year?

 

Yeah, it's for this year (2010 entry).

 

Check the Alberta forum.

 

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/technology/Budget+surgery+cuts+deep/2766245/story.html

[neuronix]

i really would not panic as of yet. The changes that will occur will, IMO, not be that significant...AFMC data that we see today shows compiled data from a few years back (at least that's what I remember) and that was when Alberta schools had less spots. In any case, there was STILL alot of movement on the waitlist.

 

As much as sfinch would like portray the fact that he's in expert in everything, I really would take things that he says (and anyone else here for that matter speaking of speculative issues) with a grain of salt.

[sv3]

i really would not panic as of yet. The changes that will occur will, IMO, not be that significant...AFMC data that we see today shows compiled data from a few years back (at least that's what I remember) and that was when Alberta schools had less spots. In any case, there was STILL alot of movement on the waitlist.

 

As much as sfinch would like portray the fact that he's in expert in everything, I really would take things that he says (and anyone else here for that matter speaking of speculative issues) with a grain of salt.

 

sfinch is right in this case. do some reading and you'll see. I think a 30% cut is significant though. I don't know if you meant on a national level but its a big deal if your an applicant.

[sv3]

the things he says are speculative.

 

I can for example, just for the sake of things, speculate right now that I believe that this year (due to the economic crisis) less Albertans applied to Ontario schools because the cost of living here is higher.

 

Very possible, pure horsesh$t. See?

 

I realize the cuts are real. But we aren't able to speculate the way its going to affect all of the schools, especially the ones in different provinces. This isn't physics. There are no obvious trajectories here. Anything can happen.

 

ah gotcha. my comment was in reference to albertans, not to other residents. I thought you meant it wasn't a big deal to albertans but i can see what you're saying.....i wouldn't bother trying to figure all that kind of stuff out