Easier Medicine Schools To Get Into

[legitpro]

We all know how hard it is to get into Ontario MedSchools, 3.85 gpa with like mcat of 35.

 

But for all those aspiring med students we need to know that if something doesn't work out there is still hope for us so..............

 

List the easier schools to get into, for medicine, pharmacy, dental within Canada.

-UBC: Pharmacy undergrad

[UTPEOPLE]

We all know how hard it is to get into Ontario MedSchools, 3.85 gpa with like mcat of 35.

 

But for all those aspiring med students we need to know that if something doesn't work out there is still hope for us so..............

 

List the easier schools to get into, for medicine, pharmacy, dental within Canada.

-UBC: Pharmacy undergrad

 

different people have different ideas of easy... If high GPA but low mcat, for example, then ottawa or ut would be easiest..

[runningdoc]

There is no such thing as "easy", however if you are looking for easy, medicine is probably not your career choice.

[Mashmetoo]

There is no such thing as "easy", however if you are looking for easy, medicine is probably not your career choice.

 

I second this

[Noval]

Francophone med schools and McGill (college applicants) in Quebec don't require MCAT.

[mattg]

Obviously none are easy. Depends what you mean by easy.... lower gpa requirements, lower MCAT requirements, abscence of MCAT requirements, more emphasis on EC's, 'easier' (in terms of numbers) to obtain an interview, moer leniant with regards to poor academic years, etc.... 'easy' is way to broad of a term, and doesn't really apply to any schools in Canada... you need to be more specific

 

p.s. i don't know anything about dental/pharmacy schools

 

There is no such thing as "easy", however if you are looking for easy, medicine is probably not your career choice.

'Answers' like these annoy me.... do you really think the OP was asking 'which school can I just walk into?'... do you think that they are going to reconsider their pursuit of medicine because of your one-liner?... it was an innocent question, albeit not worded in the best way lol

[runningdoc]

The reason I "answered" that was is that it really wasn't a thread asking anything in detail. Easy programs is incredibly subjective and doesn't really provide much in terms of what is being looked for.

 

Having a 3.85 GPA and 35+ MCAT makes you an exceedingly competitive applicant in Canada providing you have done at least a little EC work during high school/University. However having stats considerably lower than that also can be more than enough to get into a Canadian Medical school.

 

However looking for "easy schools" isn't really something you will find because every school looks at things differently, and unless you tailored your life to the pursuits that the particular school you are looking at likes, you aren't going to have an easier time than anyone else. Meeting cutoffs and impressing at an interview don't require a 4.0 GPA and 45T MCAT.

 

Bottom line, no schools take people simply off their GPA. No schools take people simply off of their MCAT score, and no schools take anyone based entirely off their CV.

 

However to me, looking for 'easy schools' isn't so much a discussion of "what alternatives are there", so much as "what do I need to considerably less distinguished to get into". I take issue with defining program in terms of "ease" because to me, it devalues the hard work that people put in to get there AND it devalues the program itself. Which is why I made a glib comment. And no, my comment was not made in an attempt to dissuade the OP from pursuing medicine, nor was it meant to be humourous, but a simple list of - provide a list of easy things to get into, to me, isn't simply looking for a list of alternatives.

[mattg]

The reason I "answered" that was is that it really wasn't a thread asking anything in detail. Easy programs is incredibly subjective and doesn't really provide much in terms of what is being looked for.

 

Having a 3.85 GPA and 35+ MCAT makes you an exceedingly competitive applicant in Canada providing you have done at least a little EC work during high school/University. However having stats considerably lower than that also can be more than enough to get into a Canadian Medical school.

 

However looking for "easy schools" isn't really something you will find because every school looks at things differently, and unless you tailored your life to the pursuits that the particular school you are looking at likes, you aren't going to have an easier time than anyone else. Meeting cutoffs and impressing at an interview don't require a 4.0 GPA and 45T MCAT.

 

Bottom line, no schools take people simply off their GPA. No schools take people simply off of their MCAT score, and no schools take anyone based entirely off their CV.

 

However to me, looking for 'easy schools' isn't so much a discussion of "what alternatives are there", so much as "what do I need to considerably less distinguished to get into". I take issue with defining program in terms of "ease" because to me, it devalues the hard work that people put in to get there AND it devalues the program itself. Which is why I made a glib comment.

 

 

well regardless, I do agree with you in that there are definitely no 'easy' med schools, and the question was much too broad

[nemesis]

I think you two should duke it out, to settle this matter!

[runningdoc]

I think you two should duke it out, to settle this matter!

 

I'm very ornery right now. I have worked about 90 hours in the past 5 days and have another 6 or so hours of stuff to do tonight. I think I might fall asleep if I try and get into a bout of fisticuffs. Winner by TKO mattg

[Pantaloons]

I'm very ornery right now. I have worked about 90 hours in the past 5 days and have another 6 or so hours of stuff to do tonight.

 

Rest up, runningdoc.

You need to be strong for O-week.

 

Happy summering,

- Pantaloons

[afsmak27]

U of A and U of C are pretty easy (relatively, like someone said, if you're looking at "easy", medicine isn't for you) to get into. If you examine the average GPA, MCAT, and interview scores, you'll see that they aren't as strict on their applicants as let's say U of T or Ottawa. I'm talking about in-province though, not sure about OOP.

 

Sherbrooke is pretty slack too, but you don't want to go there. There's a reason it's the lowest-ranked school in the country.

[Madz25]

We all know how hard it is to get into Ontario MedSchools, 3.85 gpa with like mcat of 35.

 

But for all those aspiring med students we need to know that if something doesn't work out there is still hope for us so..............

 

List the easier schools to get into, for medicine, pharmacy, dental within Canada.

-UBC: Pharmacy undergrad

 

The "easiest" school to get into is your home school. i.e. UBC for BC residents, UofM for Manitoba residents, UWO for SWOMEN etc. Simply because these schools give preference to applicants that live in the respective areas. "Easy" is a relative term, ofcourse. If you are from Toronto - then it's not easier for you anywhere since UofT gives no preference to Toronto residents.

[thebouque]

U of A and U of C are pretty easy (relatively, like someone said, if you're looking at "easy", medicine isn't for you) to get into. If you examine the average GPA, MCAT, and interview scores, you'll see that they aren't as strict on their applicants as let's say U of T or Ottawa. I'm talking about in-province though, not sure about OOP.

 

Sherbrooke is pretty slack too, but you don't want to go there. There's a reason it's the lowest-ranked school in the country.

 

I'm not from Sherbrooke U but I'm from Quebec and I can say that this statement is totally false. First of all there is no ''ranking'' in the country, and Sherbrooke has an good reputation. They have good match statistics, they usually do well on the mccqe, and they're very innovative with their PBL. Once again I'm not attending Sherbrooke U.

[afsmak27]

I'm not from Sherbrooke U but I'm from Quebec and I can say that this statement is totally false. First of all there is no ''ranking'' in the country, and Sherbrooke has an good reputation. They have good match statistics, they usually do well on the mccqe, and they're very innovative with their PBL. Once again I'm not attending Sherbrooke U.

 

No they don't, they have the worst match statistics in the country. http://www.carms.ca. I don't think there's a year where they WEREN'T last in the % of students matched to their first choice specialty, or the % of students gone unmatched. I know MacLean's is relatively subjective, but they've ranked Sherbrooke last in almost all categories for several years in a row now. So no, my statements aren't entirely false.

[A-Stark]

No they don't, they have the worst match statistics in the country. http://www.carms.ca. I don't think there's a year where they WEREN'T last in the % of students matched to their first choice specialty, or the % of students gone unmatched. I know MacLean's is relatively subjective, but they've ranked Sherbrooke last in almost all categories for several years in a row now. So no, my statements aren't entirely false.

 

Yeesh. First, year-to-year CaRMS results don't say much about a school's program or its students. Dal had among the highest first choice match rates in 2009 and one of the lowest (if not the lowest) in 2010. Reflects nothing other than the proportion of plastics keeners and the like.

 

As for Macleans, it's not really subjective at all, just deeply flawed. What else should take from soemthing that would rank UofT so high, despite providing one of the worst undergrad experiences in the country? The ranking certainly has nothing to do with any medical schools.

[supafield]

 

As for Macleans, it's not really subjective at all, just deeply flawed. What else should take from soemthing that would rank UofT so high, despite providing one of the worst undergrad experiences in the country? The ranking certainly has nothing to do with any medical schools.

 

I think you make a good point.

Macleans does rank schools and does so with some objective measures.

 

However, what they fail to do at all is provide a ranking that predicts where a student will have the best/most productive university experience.

 

Their rankings are probably more likely to help a professor figure out where they may find more research money and international prestige.

 

With very few exceptions, someone's arts or science degree is going to be equally useless if it is from UofT, York, Dal, Sherbrooke, Calgary etc. At UofT however, you will manage to spend plenty more on living expenses and fight and suffer for every mark you get.

[thebouque]

No they don't, they have the worst match statistics in the country. http://www.carms.ca. I don't think there's a year where they WEREN'T last in the % of students matched to their first choice specialty, or the % of students gone unmatched. I know MacLean's is relatively subjective, but they've ranked Sherbrooke last in almost all categories for several years in a row now. So no, my statements aren't entirely false.

 

I'm not saying you're lying, but don't send me the Carms website, send me the link to the table you're referring to.

 

Peace

[afsmak27]

Sure. Here are the stats for those matched to 1st choice discipline (apologies for unmodified Google Docs links, I'm too lazy to fix them).

 

http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2010R1_MatchResults/CDN%2520Grad%2520Match%2520Results%2520by%2520Choice%2520Discipline%2520and%2520Medical%2520School_en.pdf

 

2010, 83.7%, lowest (Runner-up = UBC at 86.6%)

 

http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2009R1_MatchResults/12MatchReport_E.pdf

 

2009, 79.7%, 2nd lowest next to Manitoba (79.5%) I do stand corrected, two years when they WEREN'T last.

 

http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2008R1_MatchResults/13Canadian%2520Graduates%2520Match%2520Results%2520by%2520Choice%2520Discipline%2520and%2520Medical%2520School_en.pdf

 

2008, 83.9%, 2nd lowest next to Laval (83.0%)

 

http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2007MatchResults/Current_CDN_Grads_Match_Results_by_Choice_Discipline_and_Medical_School_en.pdf

 

2007, 84.6%, lowest (Runner-up is Alberta at 86.6%)

 

http://www.carms.ca/eng/operations_R1reports_06_e.shtml#table26

 

2006, 80.4%, lowest (Runner-up is Montreal at 86.7%)

 

I would also look up those that are unmatched, but I don't have time right now. My point still stands, Sherbrooke has pitiful match rates, and as such, is an inferior school when compared to others across Canada. Whether it's a question of the quality of education, or MD graduates, I don't know.

[thebouque]

Sure. Here are the stats for those matched to 1st choice discipline (apologies for unmodified Google Docs links, I'm too lazy to fix them).

 

http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2010R1_MatchResults/CDN%2520Grad%2520Match%2520Results%2520by%2520Choice%2520Discipline%2520and%2520Medical%2520School_en.pdf

 

2010, 83.7%, lowest (Runner-up = UBC at 86.6%)

 

http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2009R1_MatchResults/12MatchReport_E.pdf

 

2009, 79.7%, 2nd lowest next to Manitoba (79.5%) I do stand corrected, two years when they WEREN'T last.

 

http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2008R1_MatchResults/13Canadian%2520Graduates%2520Match%2520Results%2520by%2520Choice%2520Discipline%2520and%2520Medical%2520School_en.pdf

 

2008, 83.9%, 2nd lowest next to Laval (83.0%)

 

http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2007MatchResults/Current_CDN_Grads_Match_Results_by_Choice_Discipline_and_Medical_School_en.pdf

 

2007, 84.6%, lowest (Runner-up is Alberta at 86.6%)

 

http://www.carms.ca/eng/operations_R1reports_06_e.shtml#table26

 

2006, 80.4%, lowest (Runner-up is Montreal at 86.7%)

 

I would also look up those that are unmatched, but I don't have time right now. My point still stands, Sherbrooke has pitiful match rates, and as such, is an inferior school when compared to others across Canada. Whether it's a question of the quality of education, or MD graduates, I don't know.

 

Thanks for the statistics. Don't forget that Quebec French schools have been in the the carms system for a few years only, that's why none of them was doing great back in 2006. However, now they're doing fine but for some reason Sherbrooke doesn't seem to catch up. I wouldn't say it's an INFERIOR school only based on those results though.

 

Peace

[thebouque]

Thanks for the statistics. Don't forget that Quebec French schools have been in the the carms system for a few years only, that's why none of them was doing great back in 2006. However, now they're doing fine but for some reason Sherbrooke doesn't seem to catch up. I wouldn't say it's an INFERIOR school only based on those results though.

 

Peace

 

Correction to my last post. As you might've noticed, the 3 Quebec French schools are not doing great in Carms. That's not because education is bad in Quebec or because Quebec applicants aren't good candidates, it's because 90% of the students apply within Quebec. Yes those 3 schools are part of Carms but they're a separate system (a bit like a small closed system within a bigger one). If you compare Sherbrooke to Montreal and Laval, the latter 2 are not doing significantly better. That's why I'm saying it's false to say it's a bad school and no one wants to go there only based on those statistics.

 

I think I've said enough

 

Peace

 

PS: Yes the French schools score poorly but not by much. It's not as if they were 20% behind the other schools. Most of the time they are 5%ish behind. The difference is not huge.

[yorkergizer]

Interesting numbers. I don't know if you can determine the quality of the school based on these numbers. Below I have the ranks from highest % ranked to first choice to lowest % per year (easier to read jpg of chart attached). A few schools consistantly match "well" (Ottawa and... well, only Ottawa), others consistantly match "poorly" (the French schools, but as noted below this may not be due to school quality), and most are all over the map (e.g. Dalhousie went from 1st to 15th, Saskatchewan, UBC, etc).

 

I don't think I'd draw any conclusions from the quality of the med school from these numbers.

 

............2010..2009..2008..2007..2006

Memorial 3 8 13 12 4

Dalhousie 15 1 6 1 9

Laval 11 15 16 13 10

Sherbrooke 17 16 15 16 16

Montreal 14 14 14 15 15

McGill 9 13 8 7 2

Ottawa 2 2 3 5 13

Queen's 8 12 12 11 5

Toronto 10 9 5 9 6

McMaster 5 3 9 2 7

Northern Ontario 12 4

Western Ontario 7 5 2 4 3

Manitoba 4 17 7 3 12

Saskatchewan 1 11 1 8 8

Alberta 6 10 10 14 14

Calgary 13 7 4 10 11

British Columbia 16 6 11 6 1

[apache]

I'd say being from alberta is easiest considering we have the most IP spots total w/ having calgary and u of a.

 

I don't think 1st choice means much, just depends what's competitive that year, what each school teaches well, what each class composition is like, and what people's first choices are etc. That opinion's pure conjecture though so iuno really...

[runningdoc]

Interesting numbers. I don't know if you can determine the quality of the school based on these numbers. Below I have the ranks from highest % ranked to first choice to lowest % per year (easier to read jpg of chart attached). A few schools consistantly match "well" (Ottawa and... well, only Ottawa), others consistantly match "poorly" (the French schools, but as noted below this may not be due to school quality), and most are all over the map (e.g. Dalhousie went from 1st to 15th, Saskatchewan, UBC, etc).

 

I don't think I'd draw any conclusions from the quality of the med school from these numbers.

 

............2010..2009..2008..2007..2006

Memorial 3 8 13 12 4

Dalhousie 15 1 6 1 9

Laval 11 15 16 13 10

Sherbrooke 17 16 15 16 16

Montreal 14 14 14 15 15

McGill 9 13 8 7 2

Ottawa 2 2 3 5 13

Queen's 8 12 12 11 5

Toronto 10 9 5 9 6

McMaster 5 3 9 2 7

Northern Ontario 12 4

Western Ontario 7 5 2 4 3

Manitoba 4 17 7 3 12

Saskatchewan 1 11 1 8 8

Alberta 6 10 10 14 14

Calgary 13 7 4 10 11

British Columbia 16 6 11 6 1

 

The other problem with those numbers is that it doesn't factor in difficulty of placement. Ranking highly in terms of Family doesn't mean as much as grabbing a Neuro/Onco/Radiology type Residency.

[hopeforthebest]

To answer the OP, apparently Queen's is pretty easy to get into.