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Hey everybody...just when you thought it was over, one more of these threads.


So, less than a month ago, I never thought I'd even be lucky enough to get to choose which school to go to, but miracles happen! I was accepted off of Queen's waitlist on Monday and I got a call from UWO this afternoon.


Now I'm confused and would love some pm101er help,especially from people who are either at UWO (either campus) or Queen's. If I was offered London, I'd have accepted it in a hearbeat. I just finished undergrad at UWO and my blood runs purple. But the fact that it's at Windsor is causing some internal debate.


Here are some of the thoughts floating through my head:


- I'm interested in neurosurgery. I know it's too early to know what you want to go into, but I love working with my hands, I love dissections, I love the nervous system, my friends get creeped out by my fascination with the brain, etc, etc and UWO has an AMAZING neuro program. But would that experience be the same at Windsor? I know of med students in London getting to do observerships with neurosurgeons but I don't know if I would get a similar opportunity in Windsor....


I was speaking to a respirologist today (I was at the hospital when I got the call from UWO) and when I told him what I was interested in, he said there was no question about it: I should choose UWO, regardless of the campus. Hence the new leaning towards UWO...


- Again, this is thinking down the line, but there is no neurosurg residency at Queen's, but there is at UWO. Would it matter in terms of making contacts?


- The profs are more often at the London campus...I know that the classes themselves aren't an issue...but what about after class, when you may need to speak to the faculty?


- I hate having to ask this, but do the Windsor students ever feel like they get looked down a bit because it appears that more of the students get in off the waitlist? This isn't a dealbreaker for me, but just a question I had.


-I love that at Windsor I'd get more of a hands-on experience because there are fewer students


-I don't care about the distance to Toronto (hometown) as a factor. Nor do I have any issues with either city in terms of nightlife or dining, etc. Both Kingston and Windsor are great cities from what I've heard. It's more about the chances I'll get being in one city over another that matters most.


Sorry for the long post! Anyways, if any of you have any opinions, please share :)

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Hey, I did my undergrad at Western and am going to Queen's Med next year. (Evaluation of bias: complicated!)


I used to work with a girl who was admitted for the class that entered Windsor in 2009 (so... graduating 2013, I believe). She was concerned about exactly the issue you brought up- that the Windsor campus might not have equal access to the faculty from London. Another issue she brought up was that many physicians at Windsor hospitals didn't ever expect to teach- that's why they weren't at a teaching hospital. She thought there was some resentment of the new medical students on those grounds. (Is this the truth? I do not actually *know*. She mentioned, is all.)


On the other hand, she bought a nice house in the good part of town, not too far from campus, for a pittance. And she is having a wonderful time. Haven't heard how clerkship (and beyond) went yet, though.


And that is all I am qualified to say. The neurosurgery residency is something altogether out of my depth to analyze.

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Another issue she brought up was that many physicians at Windsor hospitals didn't ever expect to teach- that's why they weren't at a teaching hospital. She thought there was some resentment of the new medical students on those grounds.


I don't think you can go wrong with either Queens or coming down to Windsor, obviously every place you go in the country is going to be different than any other with it's own pro's and con's, but I'd say you're gonna have a good time no matter which you choose. Just wanted to mention though that the point about teaching is not only wrong, it's actually completely opposite to what the truth is. If you are in an academic centre, physicians are OBLIGATED to fulfill academic roles, regardless of whether they want to or not. I'm sure some physicians choose to work in an academic centre because they enjoy teaching, but for many others it might be because of research or the fact that as a sub-specialist they have no other choice. Inevitably, you're going to end up with people teaching because they have to, not because they want to (not to say that most academic physicians aren't great teachers, because a lot of them are). In Windsor (or any other city that has med students that is not an academic centre), the physicians are not obligated to do anything...the ones that teach have gone out of their way to take on that responsibility. Given the time/money sacrifice it means for them, you can be pretty sure they're doing it because they enjoy it, and certainly don't "resent" having to do it, because if they didn't want to teach, they just wouldn't!

Either way, good luck in your decision, I think you'll be happy either way.

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