"60/40" Rule and Fourth Year

[HelloZX]

So just a quick question. I just finished choosing my courses for my 4th year at York and have a question about the 60/40 rule. From what I remember, in regards to the 60/40 rule and fourth year courses, 3rd year courses will count as "fourth" year. Is that correct? Out of 30 credits, I have 15 credits belonging to 4th year and 9 credits belonging to 3 year courses, with one 2nd year 6 credit course. So am I correct to assume that this does not violate the 60/40 rule?

 

Also, are there any schools out there that strictly look at 4th year level courses when looking at course load of a student in 4th year, and that don't accept 3rd year courses?

 

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[rmorelan]

So just a quick question. I just finished choosing my courses for my 4th year at York and have a question about the 60/40 rule. From what I remember, in regards to the 60/40 rule and fourth year courses, 3rd year courses will count as "fourth" year. Is that correct? Out of 30 credits, I have 15 credits belonging to 4th year and 9 credits belonging to 3 year courses, with one 2nd year 6 credit course. So am I correct to assume that this does not violate the 60/40 rule?

 

Also, are there any schools out there that strictly look at 4th year level courses when looking at course load of a student in 4th year, and that don't accept 3rd year courses?

 

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

 

Western is the main picky school with regards to that and for them 3rd and 4th year courses are exactly the same with respect to that rule. No other school would care about what you are doing either as far as I know

[HelloZX]

Thanks a lot for the response rmorelan.

[nikki dale]

Western is the main picky school with regards to that and for them 3rd and 4th year courses are exactly the same with respect to that rule. No other school would care about what you are doing either as far as I know

 

i was worried about this a few years back as well

and when i asked, the response was that they look at 4th and 3rd year levels combined. they look at these courses as 'senior' courses.

[rmorelan]

i was worried about this a few years back as well

and when i asked, the response was that they look at 4th and 3rd year levels combined. they look at these courses as 'senior' courses.

 

yup - they still do. Makes sense, some programs don't even have enough 4th year courses to make the 60/40 rule. The point of the rule is to ensure people are progressing in a logical fashion and not loading up on easy courses later on. Toronto has a similar goal but just doesn't have a strict cut off and instead looks at each applicants coursework. Since Western doesn't use a holistic review they need a more rigid way of enforcing the progression.

[medhopeful64]

yup - they still do. Makes sense, some programs don't even have enough 4th year courses to make the 60/40 rule. The point of the rule is to ensure people are progressing in a logical fashion and not loading up on easy courses later on. Toronto has a similar goal but just doesn't have a strict cut off and instead looks at each applicants coursework. Since Western doesn't use a holistic review they need a more rigid way of enforcing the progression.

 

So wait, does U of T still take a look at all your courses and your grades? I wasn't sure if they did because the use the wGPA formula...I really don't want them to see what I got in organic chem haha

[nikki dale]

So wait, does U of T still take a look at all your courses and your grades? I wasn't sure if they did because the use the wGPA formula...I really don't want them to see what I got in organic chem haha

 

they still take a holistic view of your transcript...they read your transcript to determine if you took a good solid course load and courses or something :S and to see if the GPA is skewed

 

i forgot where exactly that was written

probably somewhere on the official uoft med admissions blog

[Alchemist11]

Hey guys, speaking of this 60/40 rule, I believe U of T employs something similarly.

 

Is there a way to be able to take 50% "senior" (third or fourth year courses) and 50% second year courses in your third year of study?

Can you send them something explaining your situation?

 

As it stands I have 50/50 currently set up for third year, and it's hard to change my courses because most third year courses I can take are only offered first term. Also, I can't remove any from my first term because many of them are second year pre-reqs for my second term, which will be mostly third year courses.

[nikki dale]

Hey guys, speaking of this 60/40 rule, I believe U of T employs something similarly.

 

Is there a way to be able to take 50% "senior" (third or fourth year courses) and 50% second year courses in your third year of study?

Can you send them something explaining your situation?

 

As it stands I have 50/50 currently set up for third year, and it's hard to change my courses because most third year courses I can take are only offered first term. Also, I can't remove any from my first term because many of them are second year pre-reqs for my second term, which will be mostly third year courses.

 

if you're referring to western,

I emailed them back then as well,

and they said no. it has to be 60/40

 

but of course there are exceptions, so i see no harm in asking them, especially since you didn't already do 3rd year yet.

[rmorelan]

Hey guys, speaking of this 60/40 rule, I believe U of T employs something similarly.

 

Is there a way to be able to take 50% "senior" (third or fourth year courses) and 50% second year courses in your third year of study?

Can you send them something explaining your situation?

 

As it stands I have 50/50 currently set up for third year, and it's hard to change my courses because most third year courses I can take are only offered first term. Also, I can't remove any from my first term because many of them are second year pre-reqs for my second term, which will be mostly third year courses.

 

Difference is Toronto is not rigid about it like Western. Western will reject the year outright - Toronto will view it in context and never reject you immediately for something like that.

[Alchemist11]

Do you mind explaining, regarding UWO, how this would affect my chances?

 

For Toronto it seems like I can email them or send them a letter and explain my situation and hopefully they'll accept it.

 

For UWO, I can't apply this year anyway because I'm going into third year, but let's say I apply after I finish my third year (before I start fourth year). What would happen if they "reject" that year? I can still apply, and they'll only look at my grades from my first 2 years?

 

Thanks for any help you can provide.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

Do you mind explaining, regarding UWO, how this would affect my chances?

 

For Toronto it seems like I can email them or send them a letter and explain my situation and hopefully they'll accept it.

 

For UWO, I can't apply this year anyway because I'm going into third year, but let's say I apply after I finish my third year (before I start fourth year). What would happen if they "reject" that year? I can still apply, and they'll only look at my grades from my first 2 years?

 

Thanks for any help you can provide.

 

From my understanding, Western takes into account your two best years that FULFILL their requirements. Essentially, they will disregard your third year if it doesn't satisfy their 'full course load' rules and just look at your first two years (assuming they do meet the requirements).

[rmorelan]

From my understanding, Western takes into account your two best years that FULFILL their requirements. Essentially, they will disregard your third year if it doesn't satisfy their 'full course load' rules and just look at your first two years (assuming they do meet the requirements).

 

Yeah that sounds correct

[Alchemist11]

Okay great, my GPA is fine for my first two years anyway, and it would be a real hassle to try to get my third year to fulfill their 60/40 rule.

 

Thanks a lot! I'll try and get in contact with U of T.

[nikki dale]

Okay great, my GPA is fine for my first two years anyway, and it would be a real hassle to try to get my third year to fulfill their 60/40 rule.

 

Thanks a lot! I'll try and get in contact with U of T.

 

i hope everything you find out from this forum, you also check from the horse's mouth

 

call up or email western.

[Tesla]

Hi Everyone,

 

I have a question about the 60/40 rule for UWO and U of T. I'm entering 3rd year and have decided to take "2.0" 1st year courses (40%). One of the courses is Classics (Humanities requirement) and the other is math (my choice). The remaining 60% of the courses are at my level (3rd Year). Does it look bad that I am taking "2.0" 1st year courses in 3rd year? I actually didn't take any 1st year courses in 2nd year, nor do I plan on taking any 1st year courses in 4th year...so in 4th year, 3.5/5 of my courses will be 4th year courses and the remaining will be 3rd year courses. In essence, I am just worried that taking "2.0" 1st year courses in 3rd year will look bad...should I change my courses or stick with the ones I have chosen? Your feedback in the matter would be greatly appreciated!

 

Thanks in advance!

[thatonekid]

Hi Everyone,

 

I have a question about the 60/40 rule for UWO and U of T. I'm entering 3rd year and have decided to take "2.0" 1st year courses (40%). One of the courses is Classics (Humanities requirement) and the other is math (my choice). The remaining 60% of the courses are at my level (3rd Year). Does it look bad that I am taking "2.0" 1st year courses in 3rd year? I actually didn't take any 1st year courses in 2nd year, nor do I plan on taking any 1st year courses in 4th year...so in 4th year, 3.5/5 of my courses will be 4th year courses and the remaining will be 3rd year courses. In essence, I am just worried that taking "2.0" 1st year courses in 3rd year will look bad...should I change my courses or stick with the ones I have chosen? Your feedback in the matter would be greatly appreciated!

 

Thanks in advance!

You're totally fine. Don't worry about it as the individual courses aren't really considered. They just look at the overall trend in course selection (i.e. 60% at your year level, which you have).

[Tesla]

Thanks for your prompt reply "thatonekid"! I guess I will stick with the courses I have picked.

[future_doc]

good decision, right decision

[medhopeful64]

I have a similar question and want to be 100% sure about this - if I only have one course that is at the 4000 level during my fourth year, (and 5 other courses are 3000 level), then I satisfy the 60/40 rule, yes?

 

So basically I have 3/30 credits at the 4th year level...

 

If no one knows, I'll def call Western myself but if someone's called them to ask a similar question please let me know!

[rmorelan]

I have a similar question and want to be 100% sure about this - if I only have one course that is at the 4000 level during my fourth year, (and 5 other courses are 3000 level), then I satisfy the 60/40 rule, yes?

 

So basically I have 3/30 credits at the 4th year level...

 

If no one knows, I'll def call Western myself but if someone's called them to ask a similar question please let me know!

 

actually that case is on the website now - it was so common I pushed for it to be added.

 

You are fine - in years past year 3 in your program you are allowed a mix of 3rd or 4th year courses to make up the 60/40 rule.

[christinawang1990216]

I m in my fourth year now, and due to school graduation policies( have to take arts credits, essay credits) I m unable to fulfill the 3/5 requirement. I m guessing it is not a huge problem for u of t since on the website it says their main concern is your degree completion?

[bored]

I have a similar question and want to be 100% sure about this - if I only have one course that is at the 4000 level during my fourth year, (and 5 other courses are 3000 level), then I satisfy the 60/40 rule, yes?

 

So basically I have 3/30 credits at the 4th year level...

 

If no one knows, I'll def call Western myself but if someone's called them to ask a similar question please let me know!

 

 

You are fine as long as the other 15/30 are 3rd level.

[aaronjw]

I m in my fourth year now, and due to school graduation policies( have to take arts credits, essay credits) I m unable to fulfill the 3/5 requirement. I m guessing it is not a huge problem for u of t since on the website it says their main concern is your degree completion?

 

U of T does not require degree completion, just 3 complete years of UG towards a Canadian university bachelor's degree in any discipline.

[christinawang1990216]

U of T does not require degree completion, just 3 complete years of UG towards a Canadian university bachelor's degree in any discipline.

 

But on their admission website it says if you are in the final year of a four year degree, by the time you enroll, you need to show proof of graduation.