murphy303 Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Has anyone done this? I can get a job transfer there and this would give me another IP school in addition to UBC. If you arrive Oct 1st, 2012 and then you can apply as IP on Oct 15th, 2013 correct? Are chances good as IP with 4.0 DegGPA, 3.2 SciGPA & 35 MCAT & excellent Extra-Curic? Very serious about doing this next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Excellent idea and have the proof, drivers license, bank account, Medicare Card, lease, phone, hydro bill, etc and I would set myself up by Aug. 1st. You will need to learn about Montreal bagels, Schwartz's smoke meat and Thursday's on Crescent St. for brunxh from 10:30 on Sundays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samy Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Find a way to learn French, it will help you a lot in Montreal/McGill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Sure, but not essential immediately. Should you come to Montreal to live, live near St. Denis St. in a french neighbourhood, not an english one, which will force you to pick up basic words for shopping. And go out with a girl who has no english and it is done! And in that year, take some beginner courses. You must be very careful when telling someone to shut the door as they may understand you saying, je t'adore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preppy038 Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 i love montreal hahahaha definitely an elective at montreal and possib residency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy303 Posted October 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Find a way to learn French, it will help you a lot in Montreal/McGill i will definitely learn french. im good at picking up languages and would not have the arrogance to move somewhere without intending to learn the local language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy303 Posted October 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Excellent idea and have the proof, drivers license, bank account, Medicare Card, lease, phone, hydro bill, etc and I would set myself up by Aug. 1st. You will need to learn about Montreal bagels, Schwartz's smoke meat and Thursday's on Crescent St. for brunxh from 10:30 on Sundays. yeah, it says you only need a couple basic things (e.g. items of mail & lease agreement), but im very neurotic so i will have a collection of proof =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy303 Posted October 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Sure, but not essential immediately. Should you come to Montreal to live, live near St. Denis St. in a french neighbourhood, not an english one, which will force you to pick up basic words for shopping. And go out with a girl who has no english and it is done! And in that year, take some beginner courses. You must be very careful when telling someone to shut the door as they may understand you saying, je t'adore! why do you say August 1st? that would be a full 2 years, 1 month before classes start, wouldn't it? you need to establish residency (which takes exactly 1 year) before the application due date, so I figure 1 year, plus buffer zone of 1 month is plenty of time...? nov 1st minus 1 month = Oct 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Rabbit Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Verify with McGill, takes 3 months until accepted on provincial health plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.wasserman Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 teeheehee... it may turn out to be a fortunate turn of events Sure, but not essential immediately. Should you come to Montreal to live, live near St. Denis St. in a french neighbourhood, not an english one, which will force you to pick up basic words for shopping. And go out with a girl who has no english and it is done! And in that year, take some beginner courses. You must be very careful when telling someone to shut the door as they may understand you saying, je t'adore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy303 Posted October 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Verify with McGill, takes 3 months until accepted on provincial health plan. Gahhh!! Why!? So, 1 year living + 3 month wait = accept on health, and *THEN* you can apply??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackkeys Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 naw, you do not need a Quebec health card to prove residency. You need to live here for 12 months, consecutively, not be a full-time student, and have a lease to back it up. They also require a utility bill, one other bill or statement from a financial institution/phone company/tax statement/whatever mailed to your QC address, and your birth certificate or a perm res. card to prove that you're Canadian. Health card definitely not required. Unless you need to see a doctor. I did it without a QC health card or driver's license. Plus your odds seem good with your stats, so my $0.02 is that it's definitely worth it. Plus Montreal is a GREAT place to live anyway, med school or no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 You are il-advised to drive with an OOP driver's licence or to ever use your OHIP Card wherever while you are (cough) a QC resident. I would be inclined to dot the i's and cross the t's n/w/s whether you may need to or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 When you apply next for admission to McGill Med School, ideally, you should be a Permanent Resident of Canada who is a recognized resident of the Province of Quebec as per the rules established by the Minister of Education.(although it is possible to be a permanent resident who is not recognized as a resident of Quebec). As the former, you will be part of a pool eligible for 75 seats, though half of those seats are reserved for students seeking the dual degree Programs. So, really you will be fighting for one of 37/38 seats, although I presume the number goes up if there are less applicants accepted for the dual degree Programs, then more seats will be available. If you have not made proof of Quebec Residency, then you will be consider as an OOP (out of province) and I believe the quota is 16. If you only recently became a Permanent Resident of Canada, I cannot understand how you now are already a Quebec Resident according to law, for which you must make strict proof. As an applicant, Quebec residency status must be “fully established/proved” by the application deadline which I believe is in January 2010. Go to http://www.mcgill.ca/legaldocuments/overview/medapplicants/ as your starting point. Your tuition fee are determined by your precise status. According to http://www.mcgill.ca/legaldocuments/submissions/when/ the final deadline for submitting complete required documents to prove Quebec residency is December 1, 2009 for fall session courses (when med school begins). It appears to be somewhat complicated and I am not now familiar with what constitutes Quebec residency, although I believe and such to verification by you, you need to be living in Quebec for one full year and not be a fulltime student during this time. So, I do not know whether you shall have qualified and be able to prove Quebec residency by the deadline of December 1st. See http://www.mcgill.ca/files/legaldocuments/QuebecAttestationFormstextJuly2007.pdf and look at Nos. 5, 6 and 7 and at k and n, paragraph 2. I do not know if you are perhaps covered by 7 and k, para. 2. If you are already a Quebec resident and can prove this submitting all documents to McGill by December 1st latest, then you can apply to McGill in Jan. 2010 for admission in Sept. 2010 class. And t hen it may be possible to take fulltime courses this coming year at university. However, as you do not want to jeapordize your status, you need expert advice on this prior to considering fulltime student status in Quebec commencing in the fall. Let’s assume, you cannot, I would assume that in your application to follow, you would fall into t he category OOP and if accepted, your tuition would be higher until you eventually prove Quebec residency while a student at McGill already. ATTESTATION OF QUÉBEC RESIDENT STATUS FOR CANADIAN CITIZENS AND PERMANENT RESIDENTS OF CANADA Additional Explanations Related to the “Attestation of Québec Resident Status” Form a) Definition The definition of “Québec resident” has applied to all Canadian citizens and all permanent residents of Canada since the fall of 1997 for universities and the fall of 2000 for colleges. The definition is the same for both levels of education: A student is considered a Québec resident if he or she is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident* within the meaning of the applicable immigration legislation and if any of the following situations applies: 1. The student was born in Québec or was adopted by a person who was residing in Québec at the time of the adoption. 2. One of the student’s parents or his or her sponsor** resides in Québec. 3. The student’s parents or sponsor** are deceased and one of the parents or the sponsor was residing in Québec at the time of the death. 4. The student maintains his or her residence in Québec even though his or her parents or sponsor** no longer reside in Québec. 5. Québec is the last place where the student has resided for 12 consecutive months without pursuing full-time studies during that period. 6. The student holds a selection certificate (certificat de sélection du Québec–CSQ) issued under section 3.1 of the Act respecting immigration to Québec (R.S.Q., c. I-0.2). 7. The student has been residing in Québec for at least three months without having resided in another province for more than three months. 8. The student resided in Québec according to above paragraphs 2, 4, 5 or 7 for three consecutive years in the last five years. 9. The student’s spouse was or is residing in Québec according to one of the preceding paragraphs. * Proof of Canadian citizenship or permanent residency: birth certificate, citizenship certificate, permanent resident card, confirmation of permanent residence (immigration form IMM-1000 or IMM-5292), passport or valid certificate of Indian status issued by the federal government of Canada or valid Inuit status card issued by the Makivik Corporation. ** For the purposes of this definition, the term “parents” means the student’s father and mother, and the term “sponsor” means a Canadian citizen or a permanent resident, other than the student’s father, mother or spouse, who sponsors the application for landing of a permanent resident within the meaning of the Act respecting immigration to Québec. Permanence of status Paragraphs 1, 3 and 6 of the above definition describe permanent situations. Unless the definition is amended, a student will retain his or her status indefinitely. Status under the other paragraphs is provisional. This means that a student who qualifies as a Québec resident and who interrupts his or her studies for more than two semesters (not including the summer semester) must once again apply for Québec resident status upon re-enrollment. c) Foreign students Foreign students are not affected by this definition and are not required to complete the form. They must contact the admissions office of their educational institution for further information on how their tuition fees are calculated. d) Adjustment of tuition fees Students who are not considered Québec residents by their educational institution have until the end of the current semester to submit proof to the contrary. It is the student’s responsibility to provide the required documents. Tuition fees will not be adjusted once the semester has ended. e) Obligation to complete the form Students should complete the form when their educational institution requests them to do so or when they register for a course that results in additional tuition fees applicable to Canadian students who are not Québec residents (invoicing or online inquiry concerning tuition fees payable). Educational institutions will determine Québec resident status for some students on the basis of information received during the admissions procedure or obtained by consulting the databases of the Ministère de l’Éducation, du Loisir et du Sport (MELS). The other students must demonstrate their status by completing this Version updated on July 7, 2007 form. Students not considered Québec residents, must pay the additional tuition fees applicable to Canadian students, such as required by law. f) Holder of a birth certificate meeting MELS criteria For the purpose of this definition, some persons are considered to have been born in Québec if they hold a birth certificate issued by the Directeur de l’état civil du Québec, containing the designation “certified.” If, however, the birth certificate mentions that it is certified with reference to article 137 of the Civil Code of Québec, the student will not be considered to have been born in Québec, because this reference indicates official documents issued outside of Québec. Other less common documents may be accepted. Attach a photocopy of the official document. g) Use of Québec health insurance card The health insurance card may not enable the institution to prove the situation chosen by the student. In such a case, the student must provide the other documents required to establish the situation. In all cases, the health insurance card must not have expired when it is submitted by the student. In addition, for validation purposes, only the name of the student, his or her date of birth, and the sequential number and the expiry date of the card are required. Anyone who wishes to keep his or her personal identification number confidential may mask it before making a copy. h) Holder of a valid Québec selection certificate (certificat de sélection du Québec–CSQ) This document is issued by the Ministère de l’Immigration et des Communautés culturelles to certain persons who request one before obtaining permanent residency in Canada. A person who is already a permanent resident or Canadian citizen may not obtain this document. i) Québec resident status has already been recognized by another institution and in continuity of studies −Holder of Québec resident status in secondary school and continuing on to college without an interruption of more than two semesters (not including the summer semester). −Holder of Québec resident status in college and continuing on to university without an interruption of more than two semesters (not including the summer semester). −Holder of Québec resident status in university and continuing on at another university without an interruption of more than two semesters (not including the summer semester). For these three situations, the educational institution obtains information from MELS databases. However, for technical reasons, an institution may not be able to obtain the necessary information. The student must then once again provide proof of residency. For permanent cases of Québec resident status (see point , the period of interruption has no importance. j) Person who receives financial assistance from Aide financière aux études (AFE) or former recipient who has not interrupted his or her studies for more than two semesters (not including the summer semester). Because the definition of Québec resident status applied by AFE is the same as for colleges and universities, students who has already demonstrated their status when they applied for financial assistance do not have to re-apply when they register. They must, however, provide proof of their eligibility to AFE. As soon as a student receives confirmation of his or her loan, he or she may be reimbursed for his or her non-resident tuition fees, for the current semester. He or she must, however, present the proof before the end of the semester. It should be noted, however, that a student recognized as a Québec resident is not necessarily entitled to this financial assistance. k) Residing in Québec for 12 months before the beginning of the semester and not having studied full-time during that 12-month period. The reference period is 12 consecutive months within the 18 months preceding the beginning of studies. For example, a student may submit documents in May 2007 if he or she begins his or her studies in September 2007; the reference period is therefore May 2006 to May 2007. l) Both parents or the sponsor are deceased and one of the parents or the sponsor resided in Québec at the time of death. The death certificate of one of the two parents must have been issued by the Directeur de l’état civil du Québec. Version updated on July 7, 2007 m) Spouse residing in Québec according to one of the situations in Part 2 The concept of “spouse” is that defined in the Act respecting financial assistance for education expenses (R.S.Q., c. A-13.3): “Spouse” means the person who is married to, or in a civil union with, and is not separated, legally or de facto, from the student, or the person of the opposite or the same sex who lives with the student in a de facto union with a child of the person or of the student. n) At the time of registration or before the end of the semester, having resided more than three months in Québec without having resided elsewhere in Canada for more than three months since arriving in Canada. There are times when some persons have Canadian nationality and come to reside in Canada for the first time in their lives. If the above statement applies to them, they may check off this situation, but they will have to submit a file in support of their application. The educational institution is responsible for analyzing these students’ files. Since there is no date for obtaining permanent resident status in this case, the student must prove that he or she did not reside elsewhere in Canada for more than three months during the last 10 years by means of transcripts, employment records, proofs of residence, etc. The student must also provide a sworn statement in support of his or her file. The supporting documents must prove that, during the period in question, the student resided either in Québec or in another country. A new permanent resident who leaves the country temporarily before coming back to settle in Québec may also check off this situation; however, he or she must provide a file supporting his or her application as well as a sworn statement confirming that he or she was out of the country before coming back to settle in Québec and has not resided elsewhere in Canada for more than three months since arriving in Canada. o) Member of a Native nation in Québec All recognized Native persons living on Québec territory, may check off this situation. However, Inuit must be beneficiaries of the James Bay and Northern Québec Agreement. The following is a list of recognized nations: Naskapi: Naskapis du Québec Abénaqui: Odanak Wôlinak Micmac: Gesgapegiag Gespeg Listuguj Mohawk: Kahnawake Kanesatake Cri: Chisasibi Eastmain Mistissini Nemiscau Oujé-Bougoumou Waskaganish Waswanipi Wemindji Whapmagoostui Huron-Wendat: Hurons-Wendat Algonquin: Abitibiwinni Barriere Lake Eagle Village – Kipawa Kitcisakik Kitigan Zibi Anishinabeg Lac Simon Long Point Timiskaming Wolf Lake Attikamek: Manawan Opitciwan Wemotaci Malecites: Malécites de Viger Innu (Montagnais): Betsiamites Essipit Lac Saint-Jean Ekuanit**** ( Mingan ) Natashquan Pakua Shipi Matimekush – Lac John Uashat Mak Mani-Utenam Unamen Shipu Inuit: Akulivik Aupaluk Inukjuak Ivujivik Kangiqsualujjuaq Kangiqsujuaq Kangirsuk Kuujjuaq Kuujjuarapik Puvirnituq Quaqtaq Salluit Tasiujaq Umiujaq * List taken from Indian and Northern Affairs Canada, December 31, 2003 p) Required documents Educational institutions will accept only the indicated documents; however, for certain complex or specific situations, the educational institution may be consulted. 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deeman101 Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 naw, you do not need a Quebec health card to prove residency. You need to live here for 12 months, consecutively, not be a full-time student, and have a lease to back it up. They also require a utility bill, one other bill or statement from a financial institution/phone company/tax statement/whatever mailed to your QC address, and your birth certificate or a perm res. card to prove that you're Canadian. Health card definitely not required. Unless you need to see a doctor. I did it without a QC health card or driver's license. Plus your odds seem good with your stats, so my $0.02 is that it's definitely worth it. Plus Montreal is a GREAT place to live anyway, med school or no! Really? So technically.....you could rent a cheap appartment, pay for telephone hook up, not really live there....and thats it? Thats like what $7k if your apartment is cheap enough? You would make that back on the first year of IP tuition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Sure, you use your OHIP in Cornwall when you need a doctor. And I'll visit you in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeman101 Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Sure, you use your OHIP in Cornwall when you need a doctor. And I'll visit you in prison. LOL. If I learned one thing from some of the "IPs" in the class, once you get in you most likely will not get kicked out, much less have legal charges. Even when you do something obscenely unethical. Honestly the administration is too lax on disciplinary action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 I heard the ex-Dean of the med school in Alberta, jk, will be joining McGill ar Dean until he gets caught again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy303 Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 I heard the ex-Dean of the med school in Alberta, jk, will be joining McGill ar Dean until he gets caught again. very funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Why thank you murphy. He is a strange one though, acting Dean @ Manchester but never appointed Dean - there has to be quite the the story behind that one. And he was both arrogant and stupid enough to believe he wouldn't get caught out. This takes incredible poor judgment combined with lack of character. Very often, people who have lots of degrees and initials lack totally in common sense and are the source of repeated crises along their careers. I remember a company brought in an efficiency expert to improve the flow of work in the office. The idiot expert gave out silver dollars to 5 employees which they took to mean they werein line for promotion. Well, the efficiency expert left after receiving a large payment for his consultation. Two months later, all 5 employees left as 2 were demoted and 3 left in their posititons with more work and the same salary. People like Baker can be quite dangerous to the institutions that employ them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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