Guest DrDre Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 Hey guys, I just got admitted to medschool (first year) at UdeM and I was wondering what could I do to match with ophthalmology for my residency. I know that I need to have good marks in my classes (pre-clerkship) and I would also need to perform well in the clerkships. I was thinking about research, as I already have experience in research in undergrad, I was wondering what kind of research would help me for my application, should I aim for something ''eye-related'' research, or more ''surgical-related'' research. What else can I do to improve my application?? Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebouque Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 eye related research if you can, definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234 Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 I hope you know what you are getting into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med0123 Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 ^ be more explicit please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DrDre Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 I hope you know what you are getting into. Could you explain more please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Eye related. Opthomology is very different than the other surgical specialties. I don't think they even write the POS exam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Could you explain more please? ahh not sure what they are referring too - it is a risky field to go for with the low match rates, and it is not the high income field it used to as well. It is just really hard to get OR time, the fees are and surely will be cut further, and the upfront costs are through the roof. Still if that is what you love, it is what you love! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 ahh not sure what they are referring too - it is a risky field to go for with the low match rates, and it is not the high income field it used to as well. It is just really hard to get OR time, the fees are and surely will be cut further, and the upfront costs are through the roof. Still if that is what you love, it is what you love! +1. If it is truly your only passion and you are unwilling to do anything else in medicine, you have no choice but to go for it. But it rediculously competitive and it is quickly becoming commonplace that people do 1 year research fellowships after their MD just to become competitive enough to match into the field. I've seen the CVs of many unmatched ophtho applicants and it is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 +1. If it is truly your only passion and you are unwilling to do anything else in medicine, you have no choice but to go for it. But it rediculously competitive and it is quickly becoming commonplace that people do 1 year research fellowships after their MD just to become competitive enough to match into the field. I've seen the CVs of many unmatched ophtho applicants and it is insane. Yeah I have seen the same thing - you cannot be an obviously highly desirable field for long before something about the situation changes to make things less exciting about the field. As it was optho was just too good to last. I saw one person be forced into family after two tries. Not a happy person, not happy at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumanmacbook Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Yeah I have seen the same thing - you cannot be an obviously highly desirable field for long before something about the situation changes to make things less exciting about the field. As it was optho was just too good to last. I saw one person be forced into family after two tries. Not a happy person, not happy at all Ah the untold horror stories of matching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Ah the untold horror stories of matching... something that is becoming sharply more terrifying for my class. We just have the BIG carms talk. It is supposed to be reassuring, they are always supposed to be reassuring. They never are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med0123 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 CaRMS is insanely painful when you like so many different specialties and you have to rank them... But yea, Ophto is a extremely competitive field, this year there were 39 positions across Canada and 62 people selected ophthalmology as their 1st choice specialty... 12 of them did not match. If this is of any help, here are some data I put on an excel chart to rank the relative competitiveness of each program. I used the #applicants ranking the discipline first to #quota offered ratio to rank them. 2012 numbers. Data obtained here, table 8 http://www.carms.ca/eng/operations_R1reports_12_e.shtml Not much has changed since last year (http://www.premed101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60888) Not trying to discourage you tho, but you better be fully aware of the amount of work you'll have to put on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 CaRMS is insanely painful when you like so many different specialties and you have to rank them... ha Bingo! I really think I would have like that intern year. Just seems to be a more logical way of letting us decide things. I have to pick electives potentially before I have even done that field in clerkship. That is not a good situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med0123 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Tell me about that, I had to BEGIN my clerkship with 2 electives 4 weeks each, and we only had a total of 4 in my institution... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Tell me about that, I had to BEGIN my clerkship with 2 electives 4 weeks each, and we only had a total of 4 in my institution... ouch - where was that? I mean not to complain about Western's setup - it is about as good as it can be. It is the overall system that has limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med0123 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 université de montreal bah, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Lean year for Urology. Usually they are much more competative. Like 70% of applicants match competative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerkstore Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 CaRMS is insanely painful when you like so many different specialties and you have to rank them...But yea, Ophto is a extremely competitive field, this year there were 39 positions across Canada and 62 people selected ophthalmology as their 1st choice specialty... 12 of them did not match. If this is of any help, here are some data I put on an excel chart to rank the relative competitiveness of each program. I used the #applicants ranking the discipline first to #quota offered ratio to rank them. 2012 numbers. Data obtained here, table 8 http://www.carms.ca/eng/operations_R1reports_12_e.shtml Not much has changed since last year (http://www.premed101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60888) Not trying to discourage you tho, but you better be fully aware of the amount of work you'll have to put on Isn't vascular surgery a fellowship after completion of general surgery residency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Isn't vascular surgery a fellowship after completion of general surgery residency? New direct entry program, just started this past year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 New direct entry program, just started this past year. which is why it is more competitive - you save time and are better trained in vascular techniques compared the old general surgery route. I am still a bit nervous about that approach though - at least with general surgery there are always fall back positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerkstore Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 which is why it is more competitive - you save time and are better trained in vascular techniques compared the old general surgery route. I am still a bit nervous about that approach though - at least with general surgery there are always fall back positions. You were a non-trad right? What was your application like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 You were a non-trad right? What was your application like? What to medical school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardiomegaly Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 CaRMS is insanely painful when you like so many different specialties and you have to rank them...But yea, Ophto is a extremely competitive field, this year there were 39 positions across Canada and 62 people selected ophthalmology as their 1st choice specialty... 12 of them did not match. If this is of any help, here are some data I put on an excel chart to rank the relative competitiveness of each program. I used the #applicants ranking the discipline first to #quota offered ratio to rank them. 2012 numbers. Data obtained here, table 8 http://www.carms.ca/eng/operations_R1reports_12_e.shtml Not much has changed since last year (http://www.premed101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60888) Not trying to discourage you tho, but you better be fully aware of the amount of work you'll have to put on Is this based on rank order list? If so, consider that programs would technically be more competitive based on these numbers because you're not including people who applied to the specialty and didn't get any interviews. Crappy, but it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Really to get a full picture you would have to look at all the data over say 5 years. Otherwise you are subject to yearly fluctuations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Stark Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Is this based on rank order list? If so, consider that programs would technically be more competitive based on these numbers because you're not including people who applied to the specialty and didn't get any interviews. Crappy, but it happens. Pretty unusual though, and some programs in smaller specialties interview almost everyone who applies. I do know people who didn't get interviews in their top specialty at their home school, but many programs give interviews to internal applicants as a courtesy regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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