nauru Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Dalhousie Medical School has claimed to have the top performance on MCCQE for 2009 graduates. And Western claimed to have the highest scores in a subsequent year. Neither provides a source. Does someone know where one can find the average MCCQE scores by medical school and by year? I've checked mcc.ca but haven't found any data. Relevant links would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 The schools are told, but it is not released to the public. The exam is random anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lactic Folly Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 U of A claims it for 2012 and 2011: http://www.med.ualberta.ca/Home/NewsEvents/News/article.cfm?ID=2493 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauru Posted January 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Since all these medical schools are public institutions, shouldn't the public be able to know how they stack up against each other on licensing exams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebouque Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Since all these medical schools are public institutions, shouldn't the public be able to know how they stack up against each other on licensing exams? No, those scores mean absolutely nothing. Publishing them would be misleading because the general population wouldn't be able to appreciate the meaning of the scores (ie: appreciate the fact that they are meaningless). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauru Posted January 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 That's an interesting view. The medical schools advertising the fact that they scored highest don't seem to think it's meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 That's an interesting view. The medical schools advertising the fact that they scored highest don't seem to think it's meaningless. Because its good publicity to the general public precisely because they don't know they are useless. The exam is arbitrary random questions that do not reflect the quality of grads. That's why the highest scoring school changes so often and LMCC 1 results generally don't align with LMCC 2 results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 The MCCQE tests are nothing but moneygrabs. Part II is worse than part I in that it tests entirely family medicine style scenarios, yet most residents have nothing to do with family medicine. When I did part 2, I only had 1 sick person on a 13 station exam. A couple were minor ailments that would NOT require hospitalization. Well over 50% were social scenarios that made me think I had accidentally signed up for a social work osce. All very applicable to my future surgical practice (obvious sarcasm) The only point of the LMCC is to keep the people who work at the MCC employed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 lol, the 13's will be quite the letdown, i guess those extra students might make a diff, then again, ****, how many left that class or missed a year... yeah, still not gonna live up to their predecessors by a long shot U of A claims it for 2012 and 2011: http://www.med.ualberta.ca/Home/NewsEvents/News/article.cfm?ID=2493 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Since all these medical schools are public institutions, shouldn't the public be able to know how they stack up against each other on licensing exams? I can see your point but the exam isn't run by the school and there are 100s of other similar certifications out there and none of them are open to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Because its good publicity to the general public precisely because they don't know they are useless. The exam is arbitrary random questions that do not reflect the quality of grads. That's why the highest scoring school changes so often and LMCC 1 results generally don't align with LMCC 2 results. Plus it is really hard in Canada for any one school to ever get an particular advantage for the test - they basically all get the same amount per student (unlike the US) to teach them, there are 100s of docs involved in teaching - so while one school may have a great teacher in an area there is an averaging effect - one school won't have great teachers in everything. All schools are selecting high quality students to come in and can attract them easily enough.... You need some systematic advantage to consistently be the top school and it is hard to see where that could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futureGP Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Plus it is really hard in Canada for any one school to ever get an particular advantage for the test - they basically all get the same amount per student (unlike the US) to teach them, there are 100s of docs involved in teaching - so while one school may have a great teacher in an area there is an averaging effect - one school won't have great teachers in everything. All schools are selecting high quality students to come in and can attract them easily enough.... You need some systematic advantage to consistently be the top school and it is hard to see where that could happen. also even if there was a difference in the 'quality' of students that enter each school, that doesn't make a lot of difference since students aren't forced to try their best anyways (sorta like post-achievement lax) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 also even if there was a difference in the 'quality' of students that enter each school, that doesn't make a lot of difference since students aren't forced to try their best anyways (sorta like post-achievement lax) Well in theory - I mean this is how the system works - people are self motivated. I think if you did somehow magically teleport the absolutely best students from all the schools into one place starting in year one (and somehow knew that) then they would do better on that test. However that isn't going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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