dazzle Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Is it easier to get into a DO than an MD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvantes Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_medicine_in_Canada from site: The Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine investigated the possibility of opening a osteopathic medical school in Canada. The plans have been dropped, due to concerns about clinical training in a country with very few D.O.s and the large time investment required to open the school.[7] The college has opened a program at its existing osteopathic school that will accept 25 students from Canada each year.[7] About 20 U.S.-trained osteopathic physicians are currently practicing in Canada.[7] The Canadian Osteopathic Association recently started the Canadian Osteopathic Medical Student Organization.[8] DO is easier to get into but no schools in Canada, you will end up with DO instead of MD and I would make sure that I fully support what they offer but as far as I know you can do all the same things as a DO. Sooo... if you want MD and can only go DO in US why not apply low tier US MD schools that take Canadians? and DO for that matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_medicine_in_Canada from site: The Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine investigated the possibility of opening a osteopathic medical school in Canada. The plans have been dropped, due to concerns about clinical training in a country with very few D.O.s and the large time investment required to open the school.[7] The college has opened a program at its existing osteopathic school that will accept 25 students from Canada each year.[7] About 20 U.S.-trained osteopathic physicians are currently practicing in Canada.[7] The Canadian Osteopathic Association recently started the Canadian Osteopathic Medical Student Organization.[8] DO is easier to get into but no schools in Canada, you will end up with DO instead of MD and I would make sure that I fully support what they offer but as far as I know you can do all the same things as a DO. Sooo... if you want MD and can only go DO in US why not apply low tier US MD schools that take Canadians? and DO for that matter... There are only 20? Sounds a bit low unless the whole DO thing is brand new to canadians. That number will probably be about 20 times higher in several years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvantes Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 There are only 20? Sounds a bit low unless the whole DO thing is brand new to canadians. That number will probably be about 20 times higher in several years. I know nothing, just referencing...seems low to me to..but I guess if you think about it ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourning Cloak Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 According to what's in the press, yes: approximately 20 DOs licensed to practice medicine in Canada. http://m.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/pilot-project-for-medical-students-could-herald-rebirth-of-osteopathy/article593406/?service=mobile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 According to what's in the press, yes: approximately 20 DOs licensed to practice medicine in Canada. http://m.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/pilot-project-for-medical-students-could-herald-rebirth-of-osteopathy/article593406/?service=mobile Interesting. I really doubt DOs will be in anything but primary care in the future (in canada). I wonder if they'll be able to bill for any osteopathic procedures done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashmetoo Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Interesting. I really doubt DOs will be in anything but primary care in the future (in canada). I wonder if they'll be able to bill for any osteopathic procedures done... That was the conventional thinking... Then I read that there's actually a DO anesthesiologist in that list of ~20 DOs. The rest are FM, Peds, psych, ER No surgeons, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 That was the conventional thinking... Then I read that there's actually a DO anesthesiologist in that list of ~20 DOs. The rest are FM, Peds, psych, ER No surgeons, yet. Interesting. I know DOs classify as CMGs in Ontario and a couple other provinces? And IMGs in 1-2 others? Something like that. But how much trouble matching do you believe future DO graduates will have? Guessing in the next 1-5 years and ongoing from there. Do you think a solid applicant is virtually guaranteed things like FM/peds/psych/path in ontario? Then again beyond those fields, there's only a couple things out there with decent job markets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashmetoo Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Interesting. I know DOs classify as CMGs in Ontario and a couple other provinces? And IMGs in 1-2 others? Something like that. But how much trouble matching do you believe future DO graduates will have? Guessing in the next 1-5 years and ongoing from there. Do you think a solid applicant is virtually guaranteed things like FM/peds/psych/path in ontario? Then again beyond those fields, there's only a couple things out there with decent job markets... Ya, classified as CMGs in ON, BC, now Quebec. IMGs in Manitoba and Alberta for Carms. Just 4 years ago, DOs could only do CaRMs in ON, couldn't match anywhere else, even in the IMG stream. Things have definitely changed in 4 years. Hard to predict the level of difficulty matching as a DO in the future. There were only ~10-15 Canadians graduating from DO schools pre 2011 per year. Only ~1-2 bothered to write the tests to come back. But of those who did, at least half made it back. But then again, your n = 2 which is kinda sad. With the whole MSU initiative, and a good 40 or so Canadian there now, and another 25 a year for the next 2-3 years, I'd like to think they would be enough to change public perception in Canada, and get the DO brand better known up here. For FM/peds/psych/path, especially FM, I don't think it's that hard to match as a USDO. Practically everyone of the 20 DOs in Canada fall into either FM, peds, or psych. The one patho guy doing residency in UofT now is actually a MD who transferred to a DO school, so he's not really a "DO", and knows nothing of the Osteopathic manipulation stuff. We also saw the first DO OBGYN resident at McMaster in 2010 I think. Is OBGYN primary? Yes right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Ya, classified as CMGs in ON, BC, now Quebec. IMGs in Manitoba and Alberta for Carms. Just 4 years ago, DOs could only do CaRMs in ON, couldn't match anywhere else, even in the IMG stream. Things have definitely changed in 4 years. Hard to predict the level of difficulty matching as a DO in the future. There were only ~10-15 Canadians graduating from DO schools pre 2011 per year. Only ~1-2 bothered to write the tests to come back. But of those who did, at least half made it back. But then again, your n = 2 which is kinda sad. With the whole MSU initiative, and a good 40 or so Canadian there now, and another 25 a year for the next 2-3 years, I'd like to think they would be enough to change public perception in Canada, and get the DO brand better known up here. For FM/peds/psych/path, especially FM, I don't think it's that hard to match as a USDO. Practically everyone of the 20 DOs in Canada fall into either FM, peds, or psych. The one patho guy doing residency in UofT now is actually a MD who transferred to a DO school, so he's not really a "DO", and knows nothing of the Osteopathic manipulation stuff. We also saw the first DO OBGYN resident at McMaster in 2010 I think. Is OBGYN primary? Yes right? Yea interesting, I see. For both US DOs and MDs though, isn't it difficult to get a residency in USA given that your main residence is Canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashmetoo Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Yea interesting, I see. For both US DOs and MDs though, isn't it difficult to get a residency in USA given that your main residence is Canada? Ya, the visa issues bites both Canadian MD and DO students equally. It really depends on the board scores you get, and your clinical performance. That being said, the current president of the Canadian Osteopathic Student Association has interviewed in ACGME (MD) dermatology and anesthesiology all over the US. The president is a DO student, and a Canadian one at that... so, ya, board scores >>> DO vs MD designation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Ya, the visa issues bites both Canadian MD and DO students equally. It really depends on the board scores you get, and your clinical performance. That being said, the current president of the Canadian Osteopathic Student Association has interviewed in ACGME (MD) dermatology and anesthesiology all over the US. The president is a DO student, and a Canadian one at that... so, ya, board scores >>> DO vs MD designation. Yea I'd agree. I'm considering some US MD schools on top of ontario/canadian schools, what is the general process for getting a US residenc as a Canadian? Probably not a route I'd want to take, but considering the job market here it could be a small possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashmetoo Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Yea I'd agree.I'm considering some US MD schools on top of ontario/canadian schools, what is the general process for getting a US residenc as a Canadian? Probably not a route I'd want to take, but considering the job market here it could be a small possibility. Take your USMLEs steps 1, step 2 CK, CS, step 3. Do well on them Do electives in the US for your specialty Apply to ERAS Match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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