elitist Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Unwashed here, Why is it that Canadians can purchase trace amounts of OTC codeine without any proper regulations. Pharmacists hold the ability to sell this product to customers on a whim without set in stone regulation, some may say you can buy 200 pills every 15 days, others may say every 30 days, but without real proof of law Canadians should be able to purchase as much as they can carry out the door and not just what a pharmacist decides to allow. The rationale ranges from acetaminophen overdose to abuse but there is no evidence either are possible with a sane consenting adult, nor are heroic measures necessary to prevent an adult from accomplishing the task. Fact is you can buy as much acetaminophen as you want without someone providing permission and Codeines only one real method of ingestion is orally, not insufflation or injection, unless you count Russians concocting krokodil from pure codeine tablets, something not possible in Canada with the current preparation of caffeine and acetaminophen which leaves little chance of a habit forming ritual occurring. I understand some people may filter out some of the acetaminophen to acquire a codeine buzz but if it wasn't that which found their weakness it would have been something else legal or not, at least this is laboratory manufactured and government safety certified. So we come to the real issue, the pharmacy industries fear of litigation. Malfeasance occurs when you mistakenly prescribe ear drops as eye drops and partially blind someone, not when a person, dependent or not, willingly acquires a product on a basic consumer level that only contains 1/4th of what is in a prescription equivalent. Why isn't there waivers or other legally binding agreements furnished if you're so terrified, those documents exist in every other walk of life, your space included. Why treat people like criminals because they're ultimately keeping you in work by purchasing a product, they're not your patient, why take disingenuous heroic measures on their behalf. It's an example of why many of you are smut peddlers, a fertile crescent for social decay holding what tiny amount of power you have over another, you primarily traffic in performance enhancing and life extension craft that ultimately always results in abuse with marginal benefits to the collective. It's a shame you need to take as much schooling as you do to read doctor handwriting and count pills, but it is irrefutable that you will be outstripped by machinery in the future. And I'm of the mind that either everything is OK or nothing is OK as Southpark would say, it's time to eliminate you zilches from the discussion and scalpel all the retail pharmaceutical lumps into the trash can. R&D/Production is alright by me, we will always need new classes of smart drugs, painkillers, cock rockets, mass murder suicide pills, we just need to figure out a new way to dispose of retail slugs that haven't the tact nor acumen to graduate beyond their mundane position of dispensing to customers, not patients, customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 codeine extraction cold water style... it's easy to extract the codeine and caffeine, minus the acetaminophen... o-chem ... i agree though, pharmacists need to **** off... i have a weird condition and thus no interval on a certain med i take for neurological issues... usually used as an anxioloytic... despite my doctor putting in capitals, no interval, a million times... the high mighty pharmacist decides that i'm obviously taking 8-10 times the anxiolytic dose for anxiolytic reasons... minus the fact the med is also an anticonvulsant... it's like, yeah i know there's no interval, in fact, it's in ****ing capitals, it's not an omission... oh, **** the fact that i could have a seizure from w/d... if i didn't know how the system worked i wouldn't tell them to pull up the original rx... and then there's always the get your doc to fax in a note, ok, i see my doc every week, and can walk in whenever, i'm going to have my doc phone in a don't ever touch my ****ing rx again ever, period... so annoying since it's the same persian **** who i actually spent 25 minutes explaining the neural pathway too once to finally shut him up... yeah, believe me... i know my **** more than you... after demonstrating therapy for a bunch of r4's i had some guy feel bad that he sucked and say he was more biological... and i'm thinking i'm not biologically oriented and i know astronomically more than you... just one of 30 tools in the toolbox... yeah, please don't ever **** with my rx again... there's a reason i'm finnishing off an article on this condition... i'm tired of people thinking i want anticonvulsant benzos because they havent heard of a condition, oh wait, you're an idiot, and i have over a 100 peer reviewed articles on the subject... want to talk pharmacokinetics, dynamics, cmax... subreceptor specificity, halflife... no, didn't think so, cause yeah, i could do your job... so shut up and ponder why my doc gives me 6 month refills... the law... clinical judgement... **** off, i've been coming here for two years... dumb paternalistic ****... yeah, just like my neuro... yeah, and everyone... funny how they all show a real interest now so i don't file a complaint... lol, i love the neuro too... negligence... wow, especially bad when the patient writes a 30 page review of the whole regulation of the system which caused a specific etiology but is capable of numerous others... yeah, no... not just pharmacists, a lot of health care practitioners take for granted people don't know ****... yeah sorry to shove a corkscrew up your pretentious ostentatious gaze which levels out at about my knees ass... Unwashed here, Why is it that Canadians can purchase trace amounts of OTC codeine without any proper regulations. Pharmacists hold the ability to sell this product to customers on a whim without set in stone regulation, some may say you can buy 200 pills every 15 days, others may say every 30 days, but without real proof of law Canadians should be able to purchase as much as they can carry out the door and not just what a pharmacist decides to allow. The rationale ranges from acetaminophen overdose to abuse but there is no evidence either are possible with a sane consenting adult, nor are heroic measures necessary to prevent an adult from accomplishing the task. Fact is you can buy as much acetaminophen as you want without someone providing permission and Codeines only one real method of ingestion is orally, not insufflation or injection, unless you count Russians concocting krokodil from pure codeine tablets, something not possible in Canada with the current preparation of caffeine and acetaminophen which leaves little chance of a habit forming ritual occurring. I understand some people may filter out some of the acetaminophen to acquire a codeine buzz but if it wasn't that which found their weakness it would have been something else legal or not, at least this is laboratory manufactured and government safety certified. So we come to the real issue, the pharmacy industries fear of litigation. Malfeasance occurs when you mistakenly prescribe ear drops as eye drops and partially blind someone, not when a person, dependent or not, willingly acquires a product on a basic consumer level that only contains 1/4th of what is in a prescription equivalent. Why isn't there waivers or other legally binding agreements furnished if you're so terrified, those documents exist in every other walk of life, your space included. Why treat people like criminals because they're ultimately keeping you in work by purchasing a product, they're not your patient, why take disingenuous heroic measures on their behalf. It's an example of why many of you are smut peddlers, a fertile crescent for social decay holding what tiny amount of power you have over another, you primarily traffic in performance enhancing and life extension craft that ultimately always results in abuse with marginal benefits to the collective. It's a shame you need to take as much schooling as you do to read doctor handwriting and count pills, but it is irrefutable that you will be outstripped by machinery in the future. And I'm of the mind that either everything is OK or nothing is OK as Southpark would say, it's time to eliminate you zilches from the discussion and scalpel all the retail pharmaceutical lumps into the trash can. R&D/Production is alright by me, we will always need new classes of smart drugs, painkillers, cock rockets, mass murder suicide pills, we just need to figure out a new way to dispose of retail slugs that haven't the tact nor acumen to graduate beyond their mundane position of dispensing to customers, not patients, customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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