doctorme Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 ............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Transparent Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Wow, what medical school is he at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 If this is true, should the med school find out at any point of his education, he will be thrown out of med school. Aside from what it says about such an individual, the risks taken are not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Wow, what medical school is he at? I doubt that one will be answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akuma39 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Is it that easy to cheat the med school system?? If that is true, dont u think quite a few people do it, but wouldnt really mention doing it to anyone so they dont get caught? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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apache Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 i've heard of people verifying activities a year after admission... o wait, that's a cluster**** isn't it... well falsifying claims about students too... evnetually the body receiving the false information comes to a mutual understanding though, they see how principle may loosen a tongue about some information falsified with details, in the sense that it was kept out of the public eye, so falsified by omission and a beneficiary mutual disengagement takes place, since no one gains... leaving the individual with the proclivity for leaving out information, not elaborating on statements, and leaving out critical detail, well, i'll stop, high and dry, since the final body targeted to act on the fradulent parties behalf realize the party is more of a liability, as a result of a moral means to malicious ends mentality based on ignorance, as compared to the libeled individuals master morality as a means to slave morality approach, i.e. if the ends leave both parties in amicable positions, it's best to disengage and let the utilitarian oriented party take liberty with the one who uses bureaucracy as a means to subvert due process, in a tribunal where one cannot defend themselves without access to documentation... knowing accusation... yeah, i know what due process is, and i don't always play by the rules... neither do my friends who mutually benefit from hanging a liability out to dry, rather than persecute, on anothers behalf an individual who is obviously willing to go tit for tat, and who harbors no ill will towards the instrument of one's ignorant, sloppy attempts to harbor the exclusion of someone who is actually quite truthful and gifted. as they say, make not enemies capriciously, rather, make friends, where one sees mutual benefit, and no intrinsic intent for harm.... in the service of justice towards thou whose intention, either malignant or misinformed, is most deeply in need of the hands of justice... wow, that was succexxy... and people think link law is all technicality, there's so much beauty in the rhetoric A friend currently in medical school told me that he lied on his application (ie falsified activities and references, verifiers who complied with and verified this and so forth). Obviously there isn't anything that anyone can do about it now but hearing this really made me doubt the entire system of medical applications. He hasn't done 90% of the things that he claimed to do and yet he ended up with a stellar EC rating and got into 2 medical schools and is currently attending one. Someone willing to stoop to such levels really should not be a doctor and I'm sad to see the system let one like that in. Does anyone else know of situations like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 i'm pretty sure i can guess the two... I doubt that one will be answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolelol Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 wow, that was succexxy... and people think link law is all technicality, there's so much beauty in the rhetoric http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM1nA0QZZP0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylerate2 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 If this is true, should the med school find out at any point of his education, he will be thrown out of med school. Aside from what it says about such an individual, the risks taken are not worth it. True, but the question is, how will they find out? For one thing, I highly doubt med schools keep successful applicants' applications on file. And even if they did what are the chances the administration will say "Hey let's go through Student 574's application with a fine tooth comb and try to find any fraud" when they are already dealing with thousands of applications each year. And even if the stars align and they do decide to do that, they probably won't investigate thoroughly enough to get him caught. So long as the OP and anyone else complicit in the OP's friends' fraud keeps thier mouth shut, the chances of him being exposed are close to zero. Although, if there is any justice, it's that these "references" will be in a good position to blackmail him later in life (I don't supposed that it'd work though seeing as even if he is exposed for having fake ECs they won't take away his license). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 lol... this is almost comedic True, but the question is, how will they find out? For one thing, I highly doubt med schools keep successful applicants' applications on file. And even if they did what are the chances the administration will say "Hey let's go through Student 574's application with a fine tooth comb and try to find any fraud". And even if they did decide to do that, they probably won't investigate thoroughly enough to get him caught. So long as the OP and anyone else complicit in the OP's friends' fraud keeps thier mouth shut, the chances of him being exposed are close to zero. Although, maybe if there is any justice, it's that these "references" will be in a good position to blackmail him later in life (I don't supposed that it'd work though seeing as even if he is exposed for having fake ECs they won't take away his license). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Due to the large numbers of applicants, I don't think there is much they could do other than verifying through phone or email. Even then, they still don't verify everything. What I find interesting is that a med student who lied on their applications would be dumb enough to brag about it to others. I have a tough time believing that. It makes an intriguing argument nonetheless. Medical School admissions people aren't stupid either. Anything that may be significant to an application will probably be investigated a little further. I'm sure they are well aware that there are a few bad apples in the bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylerate2 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 lol... this is almost comedic Please explain the comedy in my post as I think it is quite a realistic assessment of the situation. Certainly more so than "The truth will out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I think he thinks he's off scott free now. Well, as he tells more people, something gotta give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylerate2 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 This topic also brings to light the ridiculous nature of ECs and the wild and unrealistic expectations of med school for these ECs. I bet the OP's friend had some activities he truly enjoyed but they probably weren't flashy and showy enough for the adcoms so he felt he needed to resort to this measure. I think that although his actions are unfair to other applicants, they are nonetheless the product of a system that asks of some people more than they can provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 how do i never mention metric, i love them, ive seen them live like 5 times... lol, they're so awesome... btw, i totally plagiarized that word from emily haines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM1nA0QZZP0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markov79 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 i don't know jack about things like this, but would it be totally unreasonable for omsas to come up with a system that goes... 1) please provide us with the e mail of a verifier 2) immediately shoot off an e mail saying "please verify that you worked with applicant X on activity Y by clicking the link below"? i see problems with that, and i assume it would cost a bit to develop... but if it's done by computer would that be really that bad? problems i see are 1) when you can't find the person's e mail/when the person doesn't have an e mail account 2) someone, if they really wanted, could just make up 20 fake e mail addresses and yeah... just thought of this now so don't really care if it gets shot down. but would that be a bad idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 uhhh, personal experiences... unfortunately i didn't fabricate anything... too bad... and god forbid someone has the misfortune of assuming im the regression to the mean... too bad Please explain the comedy in my post as I think it is quite a realistic assessment of the situation. Certainly more so than "The truth will out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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A-Stark Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 The school will never review his application and unless this is somehow revealed it won't matter. However... it can certainly be argued that someone who does that sort of thing may run into issues with "professionalism" later on and especially in clerkship. That doesn't bode well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betweenloveandhate Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 You guys are joking right. It is a HUGE risk to fake activities. I have actually had a couple of verifiers checked for activities (they contacted me about it afterwards). If they turned out to be fake then I could look forward to not being able to apply for med school for the next 30 years. I know the risk is relatively small, but is it really worth it to risk it? A guy older than me in my university actually got caught faking multiple activities, was banned from applying to med schools in Canada. Adcom ended up checking more into his application and found out that he even forged a reference letter from a prof...which is how most of us found out. I don't feel sorry for him. I was not very confident going into the application process but it seems doing activities that you love really do pay off in the end. I did not have to fake a single thing in my application to receive multiple interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonstop Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 You'd be surprised at how many people fake their resumes. Fake certifications, fake work experience, fake job descriptions, fake projects. Especially in IT. Getting a job in IT is just about how good of a resume you can make up without making it seem too good to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 ditto with social netowrking means to employment, god know how many job offers, only person that asked to see any creds was that prof who offered me the funded msc position after a couple hour chat, wanted to c my transcripts... You'd be surprised at how many people fake their resumes. Fake certifications, fake work experience, fake job descriptions, fake projects. Especially in IT. Getting a job in IT is just about how good of a resume you can make up without making it seem too good to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 You'd be surprised at how many people fake their resumes. Fake certifications, fake work experience, fake job descriptions, fake projects. Especially in IT. Getting a job in IT is just about how good of a resume you can make up without making it seem too good to be true. Probably because a lot of IT managers (at least in the past) didn't even really know what their employees were doing or what their skills actually were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 when i first read it, i thought, what do they do, hence i wouldn't know how to fake it, lol Probably because a lot of IT managers (at least in the past) didn't even really know what their employees were doing or what their skills actually were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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