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Rule of thumb: if someone refers to themselves as a "feminist"- run for the hills.

 

There's nothing wrong with feminism (this comic sum up the whole 'straw feminism' thing nicely), but there is something wrong with people who use it (or any 'ideology' for lack of a better word) as an excuse to argue/be mad at people in lieu of actually working to solve the problems they're mad about.

 

Sound and fury signifying nothing, etc.

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I have to say that this one individual is not the poster child or spokesperson for feminism (i.e. upper middle class white girl with enough time on her hands and sense of entitlement to freely throw a hissy fit on the streets of downtown Toronto)

Feminism is an umbrella containing all types of gender equity activists and different individuals who consider themselves feminists/gender equity activists subscribe to different views of feminism

e.g. my poster child of feminism is a mentally strong working class mother who is marred by all sorts of disparities and inequities (health care included) and my role as an ally in her struggle is to advocate for improved access to healthcare with her.

If you're from Toronto and want to see gender and race blended disparity, get onto the TTC between 5am-6am in the suburbs and you will see a disproportionate number of poor racialized minimum wage earning temporary job holding working class women riding to their jobs than cushy jobbed white women/men, these are the women who are real feminists

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Did anyone actually listen to what she was saying?

- men are just as good of care-givers as women

- men should not have to pay women alimony

etc

 

Feminism is about gender neutrality.

 

She is being really immature about how she is going about it. They should have let her tell her list freely and then question it.

 

Edit - The rape discussion at the end.

Obviously not saying no is not saying yes... well that is obvious to me. I didn't like how everyone focused solely on only women getting raped as men get raped as well (sometimes by other men)

Also, it is a big deal to look up fraudulent rapes. If someone accuses someone else of raping them, and that's false - the persecutor should be punished because they just destroyed the innocent name of someone for no good reason.

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U of T student here.

 

Just because we have a couple of nuts on campus doesn't mean the place is crazy. I challenge you to find a single campus in this country where there are no crazies.

 

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Relax. You're making a big deal out of something that is irrelevant to the topic. The title is not meant to attack UofT. I'm trying to say that I'm glad I don't have to be around her and her group.

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I have to say that this one individual is not the poster child or spokesperson for feminism (i.e. upper middle class white girl with enough time on her hands and sense of entitlement to freely throw a hissy fit on the streets of downtown Toronto)

Feminism is an umbrella containing all types of gender equity activists and different individuals who consider themselves feminists/gender equity activists subscribe to different views of feminism

e.g. my poster child of feminism is a mentally strong working class mother who is marred by all sorts of disparities and inequities (health care included) and my role as an ally in her struggle is to advocate for improved access to healthcare with her.

If you're from Toronto and want to see gender and race blended disparity, get onto the TTC between 5am-6am in the suburbs and you will see a disproportionate number of poor racialized minimum wage earning temporary job holding working class women riding to their jobs than cushy jobbed white women/men, these are the women who are real feminists

 

This group sure does give feminism a bad name.

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I have to say that this one individual is not the poster child or spokesperson for feminism (i.e. upper middle class white girl with enough time on her hands and sense of entitlement to freely throw a hissy fit on the streets of downtown Toronto)

Feminism is an umbrella containing all types of gender equity activists and different individuals who consider themselves feminists/gender equity activists subscribe to different views of feminism

e.g. my poster child of feminism is a mentally strong working class mother who is marred by all sorts of disparities and inequities (health care included) and my role as an ally in her struggle is to advocate for improved access to healthcare with her.

If you're from Toronto and want to see gender and race blended disparity, get onto the TTC between 5am-6am in the suburbs and you will see a disproportionate number of poor racialized minimum wage earning temporary job holding working class women riding to their jobs than cushy jobbed white women/men, these are the women who are real feminists

 

Really? Is this based on a survey you conducted on the TTC during rush hour? I've been commuting in Toronto (via subway) for the past 5 years, usually in rush hour. I have noticed not a 'poor racialized minimum wage earning temporary job holding working class women', but a pretty representative mix of races and men/women. I guess if you look at the world through social sciences glasses it might seem that way, but I'd be willing to wager that an actual analysis would reveal an evenly represented sex/race group who are usually in the lower and middle classes but not always.

 

You can't just assume every woman you see on a subway is underpaid, overworked, and treated with racism.

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Relax. You're making a big deal out of something that is irrelevant to the topic. The title is not meant to attack UofT. I'm trying to say that I'm glad I don't have to be around her and her group.

 

 

The title says "I'm glad I didn't go to U of T" lol. It Perfectly seems like an attack on U of T.

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Did anyone actually listen to what she was saying?

- men are just as good of care-givers as women

- men should not have to pay women alimony

etc

 

Feminism is about gender neutrality.

 

She is being really immature about how she is going about it. They should have let her tell her list freely and then question it.

 

Agree. I've recently been introduced to what feminism really is all about, and although she has good points to it, the way she's going about it is useless. I feel for her because she wants to make a change and get the message out. Arguing with trolls on the streets is the worst way. It's like arguing on the internet or on forums. Nothing good will come of it. It's just a way to blow off steam and in the end you may become angrier anyways.

 

I watched maybe the first minute and then got upset at it. It's not fun to watch someone trying to make a stand get ridiculed on and fight with people who will obviously not change their point of view. Would be a better video if I could see both parties of the debate!

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U of T student here.

 

Just because we have a couple of nuts on campus doesn't mean the place is crazy. I challenge you to find a single campus in this country where there are no crazies.

 

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Actually most campuses don't have people this crazy lol. Problem is, UofT is just too big and accepts way too many people. Programs at UofT vary so widely in terms of the students who attend.

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The title says "I'm glad I didn't go to U of T" lol. It Perfectly seems like an attack on U of T.

 

Indeed. The title of the thread is meant to provoke, and I was trying to respond in a non-knee jerk reaction.

 

Btw, to give you guys some background, this was a group of feminists who were demonstrating a men's rights event on campus which included a couple of seminars and things like that. This is not the first time it happens with feminists, but it seems to be one of those times were security wasn't good.

 

The feminists were protesting outside, then went indoors and tried to shout in the hallways just outside the lecture halls so speakers could not be heard. When that wasn't working, they set off the fire alarm in the building and blocked the exits. Blocking fire exists when an alarm is on is a felony, but its a shame that none of these have been arrested.

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I can think of better reasons not to go to U of T:

 

1) Tightass profs who hate teaching, hate students, want to see everybody do poorly on exams, don't give a **** about providing meaningful education.

 

2) Generally, a institutional culture that is very pecking-order based, with big egos all-around, resulting in a general atmosphere of contempt for students.

 

3) It's in downtown Toronto, a sh!thole full of homeless people, welfare bums, poor people, and immigrants. The last one isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's hard to get used to being the visible minority that everybody hates if you're white. [note, I may or may not be white, I'm simply stating the obvious]

 

As for feminists, **** 'em. They got the right to vote, and they ended institutional discrimination. Fine. At this point, they're lobbying for freebies.

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I can think of better reasons not to go to U of T:

 

1) Tightass profs who hate teaching, hate students, want to see everybody do poorly on exams, don't give a **** about providing meaningful education.

 

2) Generally, a institutional culture that is very pecking-order based, with big egos all-around, resulting in a general atmosphere of contempt for students.

 

3) It's in downtown Toronto, a sh!thole full of homeless people, welfare bums, poor people, and immigrants. The last one isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's hard to get used to being the visible minority that everybody hates if you're white. [note, I may or may not be white, I'm simply stating the obvious]

 

As for feminists, **** 'em. They got the right to vote, and they ended institutional discrimination. Fine. At this point, they're lobbying for freebies.

 

I have lived in downtown TO and attended (now work at) U of T for the last almost 10 years and vehemently disagree on every single one of your points (I'm also white, not that it matters).

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False. The 'problem', if any, might be that UofT is integrated into the downtown core rather than having a campus with well-defined borders. Anyone who has walked through the UofT campus knows very well that just because someone is 'on campus' doesn't mean they go to the University, or are affiliated with it in any way.

 

And that's one of the things I love best about U of T. I have visited many other campuses and I hate being isolated in a semi-gated, pompous campus. To each their own.

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My high school friend that had a lower average than me in high school has a 3.99 GPA at U of T and said it's a joke as long as you study hard. His 3.9 was in organic chemistry. Where does all this "u of t is hard as ****" misconception come from?

 

Dude you had to cheat on an exam. No need to feign benevolence...

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My high school friend that had a lower average than me in high school has a 3.99 GPA at U of T and said it's a joke as long as you study hard. His 3.9 was in organic chemistry. Where does all this "u of t is hard as ****" misconception come from?

 

The plural of anecdote is not data.

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The material is not difficult but the problem is that the profs in first year do not teach well ( with the exception of one ) because most of them are focused on research and then they test things they never taught or explained and that was not emphasized as textbook homework.

 

Plus 18 year olds do not necessarily know where to find their resources ... It wasn't until third year when I learned from youtube and wiki. I wish I knew how to incorporate these tools into my studying as a naive 18 yr old.

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The material is not difficult but the problem is that the profs in first year do not teach well ( with the exception of one ) because most of them are focused on research and then they test things they never taught or explained and that was not emphasized as textbook homework.

 

Plus 18 year olds do not necessarily know where to find their resources ... It wasn't until third year when I learned from youtube and wiki. I wish I knew how to incorporate these tools into my studying as a naive 18 yr old.

 

only one prof in the whole school teaches first well to first year students?

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