Guest shanna Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 Is there a list somewhere that breaks down by school what the fees are? Tuition, books, application fees, student housing, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest therealcrackers Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 No. But you can ask people at the different schools for such a breakdown... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kirsteen Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Hi shanna, You can often find this sort of information on the medical schools' websites as well. Cheers, Kirsteen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shanna Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 I haven't found anything on book fees yet.. I suppose you'd have to know exactly what books will be used and then go look it up at Chapters or something. :\ No rec book list to be found. Anyone wanna post their book stack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest not rex morgan Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Books tend to range alot in schools. I know they do at UBC anyways. One guy in my class only bought three books last year. Alot of texts are on-line, like Cecil's internal med, etc. You can buy books used. I know I bought my histology atlas for like five bucks, and it's at least fifteen years old. You don't need a new edition for that sort of thing. Sometimes, accidentally of course, books fall onto photocopiers, and pages get copied, as well. I probably spent 700 (CAD) on books in my first year, and less this year. I think I only bought one new this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kirsteen Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Hi again shanna, It seems that the cash outflow for books during medical school can vary widely depending on the number of books that you decide to purchase. With respect to the price of medical textbooks, for the standard, popular course texts the prices are generally $100 +/- $30. However, if you espy an interesting-looking specialty medical text that you think might be fun or useful for a course or PBL session (as I did last year, when I noticed a lovely looking tome on reproductive physiology that I thought would complement my reproductive physiology course in a fabulous way) the prices for books geared towards those sorts of captive markets tend to be sky-high. (The reproductive physiology text was over $350.) For your interest, however, following is a link to the UofT on-line bookstore which lists the recommended/reference/required textbooks for the four years of medical school. Each text should have a price near it, to give you an idea of the cumulative expense involved. www.uoftbookstore.com/onl...899&step=2 Also, with respect to textbooks, generally libraries house many or most of the texts that will be required (at least, this is the case at UofT). Using this resource can help to reduce your total textbook expenditure. However, at the new medical school in Northern Ontario, the library, given that it will have not supported a medical school previously, may be a little sparse of medical textbook offerings to begin with. Cheers, Kirsteen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aneliz Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Recommended book lists are equally hard to find once you're in med school....pretty much you are not required to buy any books...let alone any specific ones. (At UWO you find out what you need from the 2nd years...and I imagine that it is the same elsewhere) As has been mentioned, many books are available online...at UWO, most of the common ones are also available for 2hr loan in our learning resource centre and others (usually older editions) can be found and borrowed from the UWO library. It is really a function of how much of a textbook person you are as to how much you buy (rather than borrow) or if you even look at text books at all. At western, about the only books that most students consider truly mandatory in first year are an anatomy atlas and Bates' (clinical methods text). Everything else, from pathology to physiology is an optional purchase. Our class notes (which cost us about $50/quarter to buy) are pretty comprehensive and you can usually get away with using them exclusively. That said, I am a textbook person....I would estimate that I've probably spent about $750 on textbooks this year....not all at one shot, but I seem to accumulate about a book a month as I discover something else that I need or want. Many of my classmates are fond of buying a book from the campus bookstore, using it for two weeks and returning it when the block is over. This is known as borrowing from the 'library' in the basement of UCC....the one that requires a credit card deposit.....not entirely ethical but when you consider the price of books and sometimes the short term usefulness of them to you....it can be a necessary evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shanna Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 That sounds complicated.. not knowing what you need ahead of time. That will kinda piss me off come time, I'm sure. I'm one of those sick individuals who likes to get a book a few weeks before class starts and leaf through it looking at pretty pictures or what others have doodled in the margins .. Class notes? Is that like a summary or something from the Prof? Any anatomy atlas or do you all tend to gravitate to a particular one? Thank you for this insight, I'm afraid I must sound terribly backwards compared with other pre-meds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest not rex morgan Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Netter's anatomy atlas is pretty standard. Well drawn pictures. Rohen is also good, as it has pictures of actual dissection. Moore's anatomy is a pretty good text (ie, not an atlas) I prefer Netters b/c I literally need it drawn out for me. Standard histo atlas is Wheaters...if you're really curious. I'm studying histo right now, and wished I'd learned it earlier... not quite before med school, but if I had taken care of it in the last few weeks, I'd be pretty happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aneliz Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 Course notes are exactly that....notes prepared by the profs teaching the material. They theoretically should be the same as what they present in class....you then bring these notes to class and you shouldn't have to do too much writing during the lecture....you should only need to add some minor details... As for anatomy atlases, you are free to use anything you want. I personally have Grant's and Rohen. Grant's has illustrations, Rohen has actual photographs. Many in my class have Netter instead...there are also a couple of others floating around...but really, anatomy is anatomy. Any book that you like that covers sufficient detail should be fine. Medical school is a lot different in some ways than undergrad. You are expected to learn the material, not just pass the course. So, given the varied learning styles of people in the class, you are much more free to pick your own books and learn it in your own way. If you need ten different textbooks to learn CVS physiology, that's fine. If you use only one or none, that's fine too. Some people like certain textbooks, other people hate them. In med school you are not forced to use the prof's favourite book as you are in undergrad. There are not exam questions based on specific readings from specific texts like there sometimes are in undergrad. Once you are in med school, you are much more free to learn the material in your own way. You need to have learned it by exam time, but there are many different paths (which include many different books) to get there. You need to be a bit more pro-active then in undergrad to go out and find a book that suits your needs, buy it, read the relevant bits and get what you need out of it. Nobody is going to be telling you to buy book X and read chapters 1-3 because exam question #4 will be based on the last paragraph on page 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shanna Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 I knew there was a reason med school and I would go hand in hand. Thank you all for this... I did look up the prices on these anatomy books and apparently the fee for the class notes is mandatory. So far every fee list I've seen has included the notes- I had been wondering what on earth 500$ of notes? was for lol. What other books are you all usuing? And what year are you? I'm not certain how generous I am being by estimating 600$US per year for books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aneliz Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 I suppose that you could not buy the class notes....not sure how wise that would be but it would be an option. You can figure out what year the moderators are in by the tag under their name....it gives you their school and Med x which indicates their year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shanna Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 Sorry.. duh.. that wasn't clear- I meant to ask if folks could list off a few of the books they consider essential, prefer, just like because of the cover.. and what year he/she is as a reference to when the book(s) would be most useful. Can you tell I'm anal about budgeting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ian Wong Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 Honestly, the prices on medical textbooks inflate pretty dramatically. I think one of the textbooks I bought back in first year has increased in price by 40-50 bucks this year. It's still the same edition textbook too. As far as compiling a book list, that's a pretty huge undertaking, simply because of the sheer breadth of possible textbooks. I think the above people have outlined a few of the "mandatory" books, which for me would include an Anatomy atlas (such as Netter, or Rohen/Yokochi), and a clinical skills textbook such as Bates or Talley and O'Connor. Most everything else could be checked out of the library, or found on-line. However, I think the best avenue for you to pursue is to wait until after you are accepted before you start worrying about textbooks. One thing I found during my four years of med school is that you buy books when you discover that you need them. Not right away at the beginning of school. All of the books that I bought early on in med school "just in case" I needed them have been sold because they turned out not to be useful. In contrast, the books I bought because I was recommended/ordered to buy them because senior med students, residents, or sometimes even staff doctors told me they were great books were the ones I've kept. Because of that, I really think it's best to wait until you get immersed into the med school environment before buying stuff. The same goes for buying medical equipment like stethoscopes, ophthalmoscopes, reflex hammers, etc. Budgeting for book-buying which won't happen (at the very earliest) until 2004 is difficult because book prices increase pretty significantly. If you're still really curious, you could try an online search using Google to see if any North American med schools have provided book-lists for their students. Ian UBC, Med 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shanna Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 I wasn't suggesting buying them all ahead of time, but budgeting book money in so that come time, like middle of 1st year and someone says 'Go get ___' I would have no problem doing so because I had a Book Money Stash. I would agree with you about recommended books vs I'm-Just-Guessing. Which is why I asked. I realize that everyone is going to have his or her favourites and a list of I-Think-___-Would-Really-Have-Helped-In-My-First-Year-But-I-Didn't-Know. Like I said... I'm anal about budgeting. I have 5-year and 10-year finance plans complete with alternates in case of not getting accepted etc.. 8o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest strider2004 Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 Shanna, You're gonna be a doctor. Take care of the medical part and let an accountant handle the finances. It'll be easier in the long run. However, it's very good that you have long-term planning and alternates. If you have any questions about future tuition or other medical financial issues, just ask. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ian Wong Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 Here's UBC's breakdown for first year medical students: www.admissions.med.ubc.ca/geninfo.htm#costs Textbooks: 1,150.00 If you wanted to overbudget and be conservative, if you reserved $1200 Cdn annually for textbooks, you'll almost certainly not exceed that limit, particularly if you sell back your books once you are done with them. As previously mentioned, textbook prices increase often on a yearly basis. Ian UBC, Med 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest therealcrackers Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 One book in first and second year that could be useful is Rapid Interpretation of EKGs, by Dubin. Required in second year at WEstern (for about $60 CDN), it can help you through the cardiovascular stuff in first year. There are two additional features to this book. 1) It has an orange cover so bright it will light your room if the sun hits it in the morning or will wake you from a lecture room nap. 2) The printing inks used have a peculiar smell, which becomes more attractive the more tired you get... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aneliz Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 I have recently discovered (and like) the Mosby 'crash course' series....especially the CVS one...it is very concise and tells you everything you need to know....it costs too much in my opinion...($50 for small paperback) but it has a cool cover (with a motorcycle on it). My other favourite new book is respiratory physiology, the essentials (another skimpy paper back worth $55) but salvation in a book! (and it has a pretty coloured cover....) Egzams (no sp.) really mess with your mind.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest not rex morgan Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 Rapid ECGs did nothing for me. Lily is a good CV text, and only costs 7 Canadian dollars if you accidentally photocopy it. The point is, as you go through med school, you discover you think some texts suck, and others think they're great. This is why it's better to buy as you go along. (as long as you have some forsight, bookstores sell out, and amazon/chapters take a while to ship). I figure you save more money in the long run by not trying to plan too much ahead. Otherwise you just end up buying every book people tell you to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shanna Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 Ian, you're a gem of resourcefulness. I briefly scanned UBC and didn't see the books $ on there... must have skipped right over it. Strider- until I am a Dr I am the best accountant I can afford, but I hear and agree. This is all just guesstimation until then, but it's so nice to be able to stick any decent number in that slot. Crackers- a friend of mine has that very book propped in his window for that precise reason I believe. I think I'll steal it from him when he's done and check on it's usefulness as both alarm clock and EKG help... I think I'll pass on testing the effect of the emanations you also describe. I won't ask whether you found it edibly attractive or erotically. Thank you aneliz.. I'll keep my eye out once I'm In (it's like a secret society....) not rex.. I agree, from what everyone has said so far- buying as you go is the way... even if it doesn't give me much time to peruse them before they become needful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mying Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 Not to mention the juicy story of why the author isn't a practising doctor anymore, and the curious hidden message in the copyright information... That was a damn fine car, too, my sister nearly killed me for being one year too late when she found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shanna Posted December 15, 2002 Report Share Posted December 15, 2002 ....I don't get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aneliz Posted December 15, 2002 Report Share Posted December 15, 2002 If you had the book....you would get it....if you don't have the book....it is something that you will have to wait and see....one day when you find the secret copyright info...it will all become clear......(and I am not kidding!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cheech10 Posted December 15, 2002 Report Share Posted December 15, 2002 Buried in the copyright info was a message that Dubin was giving away his 1965 Thunderbird to students that sent him their address, etc. Only 5 students answered, and 1 got the car (out of thousands that bought the book). As far as his practice, in 1986 Dubin pled guilty to child porn and cocaine charges. His licence was revoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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