quibble Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 Hey, I found this earlier today and wanted to share with everyone the tuition at each medical school. May be helpful for those with multiple offers as tuition is a factor: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eudaimonia Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 Wondering if there will be another tuition fee hike. This is very helpful, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 As always check the schools actual website for more accurate, year by year information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 still confuses me why TO has nearly the lowest tuition in Ontario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroX37 Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 44 minutes ago, rmorelan said: still confuses me why TO has nearly the lowest tuition in Ontario. I wonder if living costs in Toronto make it even in the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 Very nice for Quebec... Memorial, Manitoba and Alberta.... even Calgary(3 years only!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edict Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, rmorelan said: still confuses me why TO has nearly the lowest tuition in Ontario. Your point still stands but technically if you added compulsary fees, NOSM is cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Edict said: Your point still stands but technically if you added compulsary fees, NOSM is cheaper. ha, true - that is almost annoying because I wanted to was the lowest rather than nearly the lowest - still makes not a lot of sense. Maybe there is some economy of scale here but you would think the costs of a major city would just be more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralk Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 Ontario schools' tuition was already on the worse end for Canadian schools but have gotten out of control. $4-5k difference in costs per year from when I started, with rather minimal changes in actual education. Still have no idea where that money goes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, ralk said: Ontario schools' tuition was already on the worse end for Canadian schools but have gotten out of control. $4-5k difference in costs per year from when I started, with rather minimal changes in actual education. Still have no idea where that money goes... not into the medical school program itself but to support the overall school. Effectively it is a form of tax on future high income earners to subsidize other programs as I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralk Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, rmorelan said: not into the medical school program itself but to support the overall school. Effectively it is a form of tax on future high income earners to subsidize other programs as I see it. Yeah, that lines up with the best explanation I've gotten from any school, though considering tuition is increasing pretty much across the board and I can't think of any university program where the expenditures on students exceeds what the university gets in tuition and subsidies for their enrollment, I'm not inclined to buy that argument as valid. I'm all for a balancing between those who do or will have means and those who don't, but I don't see that happening here, nor would it be a very efficient way of doing so if it were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la marzocco Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, ralk said: Yeah, that lines up with the best explanation I've gotten from any school, though considering tuition is increasing pretty much across the board and I can't think of any university program where the expenditures on students exceeds what the university gets in tuition and subsidies for their enrollment, I'm not inclined to buy that argument as valid. I'm all for a balancing between those who do or will have means and those who don't, but I don't see that happening here, nor would it be a very efficient way of doing so if it were. Interestingly, I think tuitions would have gone up a lot faster for domestic students in the past 5 years had universities not become more reliant on international student fees. Taking Ontario universities as an example, international student fees as a percentage of total 'revenues' increased the fastest of all income sources for universities. Conversely, provincial sources in the form of grants/subsidies/transfers have declined (mostly because it was kept static from an absolute $ perspective). International students are undoubtedly 'footing the bill' and subsidizing domestic student tuitions and Canadian universities are becoming hooked on this cash cow. This has gone by unnoticed for a while because only domestic student fees are regulated, and universities can charge whatever they want for international student fees (i.e., deregulated/unregulated). Everyone is more or less happy in the Canadian landscape - provinces froze the transfers, domestic students didn't see 'drastic' increases - usually only 2-3% annual increases, and universities have balanced budgets. This is largely how universities have been dealing with the funding gap in their budgets in the past little while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralk Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, la marzocco said: Interestingly, I think tuitions would have gone up a lot faster for domestic students in the past 5 years had universities not become more reliant on international student fees. Taking Ontario universities as an example, international student fees as a percentage of total 'revenues' increased the faster of all income sources for universities. Conversely, provincial sources have declined (mostly because it was kept static). International students are undoubtedly 'footing the bill' and subsidizing domestic student tuitions and Canadian universities are becoming hooked on this cash cow. Oh, there's no doubt the relative value for Canadian students is better than for International students, but to me that just makes the insanity of tuition costs more pronounced. I'm of the opinion that the absolute value of post-secondary education falls below a reasonable standard for Canadian students - for International students, it's just mind-boggling. Learning and knowledge transmission has never been easier or cheaper, with medical knowledge being no exception (at least at the medical school level, less so for specialist-level knowledge). Even human costs should be declining as schools draw more on non-tenure-track teachers. Yet costs keep going up, and up, and up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lactic Folly Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 Yes, especially since a good portion of clinical faculty teaching is not compensated and is done on one's own time. I wonder if student expectations are affected when they are paying such high tuition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 On 12/03/2018 at 9:47 PM, JohnGrisham said: Very nice for Quebec... Memorial, Manitoba and Alberta.... even Calgary(3 years only!) Memorials tuition has been the same since I started in 2007. Regular undergrad is also very inexpensive there. The province has a longstanding policy of keeping tuition very low to attract students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 41 minutes ago, NLengr said: Memorials tuition has been the same since I started in 2007. Regular undergrad is also very inexpensive there. The province has a longstanding policy of keeping tuition very low to attract students. Very impressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PulsusParadoxus Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 Memorial’s tuition is going up $2000 per year starting in 2018-2019 and ending in 2020-2021 ($6000 total). Supposedly no plans for increases after that but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiterunner Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 For Quebec schools: The Quebec Government recently announced the rates for the academic year 2018-19. The effective increase for Quebec residents is 2.7% and for students from the rest of Canada 3.1%. https://www.mcgill.ca/student-accounts/tuition-fees/general-tuition-and-fees-information/tuition-increases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edict Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/12/2018 at 9:53 PM, ralk said: Oh, there's no doubt the relative value for Canadian students is better than for International students, but to me that just makes the insanity of tuition costs more pronounced. I'm of the opinion that the absolute value of post-secondary education falls below a reasonable standard for Canadian students - for International students, it's just mind-boggling. Learning and knowledge transmission has never been easier or cheaper, with medical knowledge being no exception (at least at the medical school level, less so for specialist-level knowledge). Even human costs should be declining as schools draw more on non-tenure-track teachers. Yet costs keep going up, and up, and up. I'm guessing universities are funneling that money into research and new buildings/maintenance. Additionally, governments are always looking for ways to cut the amount of money they spend on universities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FailureToThrive Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 What differences between 3rd and 4th year account for the huge differences in tuition in Québec? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlkhhylyiluh6 Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 11 hours ago, MD_2021 said: What differences between 3rd and 4th year account for the huge differences in tuition in Québec? 3rd year (clerkship) goes year round, while 4th year goes from september-april and includes a month of nothing but interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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