riceiq Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I just started my research in Australian med schools recently, so correct me if I'm wrong. I heard there will be a lot more medical students graduating in the future, and "Australian-trained international medical students are to continue to be permitted to remain in Australia to undertake vacant internships in public hospitals unable to be filled by suitably qualified Australian residents". And also there won't be enough intern spots for the graduates. Let's say I'm planning to stay and practice in Australia after completing the medical degree there, but as an international student what's my chances getting internship and permanent resident status, when the spots for interns will be lacking? Can someone speculate what will be going on around 2015? Does it help to improve the chance a lot by being an excellent student in med school? What about the chances of becoming specialists? I'm asking these cuz I really don't want to get stuck there and can't practice in either Australia or North America. Any form of reply would be much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legal78 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I just started my research in Australian med schools recently, so correct me if I'm wrong. I heard there will be a lot more medical students graduating in the future, and "Australian-trained international medical students are to continue to be permitted to remain in Australia to undertake vacant internships in public hospitals unable to be filled by suitably qualified Australian residents". And also there won't be enough intern spots for the graduates. Let's say I'm planning to stay and practice in Australia after completing the medical degree there, but as an international student what's my chances getting internship and permanent resident status, when the spots for interns will be lacking? Can someone speculate what will be going on around 2015? Does it help to improve the chance a lot by being an excellent student in med school? What about the chances of becoming specialists? I'm asking these cuz I really don't want to get stuck there and can't practice in either Australia or North America. Any form of reply would be much appreciated. I was doing some research on the subject and can tell you that as for the situation right now it is gonna really really hard to get an internship spot in Australia. In each state/terrirory they rank all the applicants for internship as follows: 1). Au grads from their state 2). Au grads from outside the state 3). International grads from institutes within the state (you'll be here ) 4). International grads from institutes outside the state (or here ) 5). FMGs Right now the Aussie government significatly increased the number of seats in med schools starting from 2008. And local (state) governments do not seem to be intending to create more internship spots. Therefore students in there are scared of what is gonna happen after graduation of class 2012. The worst situation seems to be in Queensland (with UQ annual intake of 320 students and Griffith 120 I think + two schools accepting people thru undergrad path, i.e. 6 years of study). It's pretty hard to get a spot for International grad there now. Please note that not all schools there accept international students, but chances to get there being from outside the AU and NZ are much higher. After you get your spot at internship and complete your PGY-1 you can start applying for registrar's position in certain colleges (ex. college of surgeons, Au and NZ college of anesthetists, etc.), you have to take an exam to get in there. If you don't you can stay in your residence for PGY-2, -3, etc. until you become a registrar. Then you study another 3-5 years as a registrar and after passing the final exams you become a consultant (=attending). If you decide to come back to Canada or US after AU med degree the situation is pretty much the same as for all other FMGs (see elswhere in the forum). There's also an amazing source re Au med schools admissions, GAMSATs, internships and stuff on "paging dr." forum http://pagingdr.proboards.com/index.cgi? Hope this was helpful, Cheers:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sv3 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I had the same concerns and your post helped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riceiq Posted April 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Thanks! The info helps a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don'tBdenied Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Next to impossible if they keep ramping up student numbers. They already exceed the training places available. Your research was spot on. Also on that list is Kiwis training in Australia (anywhere in Australia) go ahead of foreigners. Anticipate over 100 CAnadians at UQ next year, which is 1/3-1/2 the total number of grads from that program 5 years ago. Not a lot of new training hospitals being built either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legal78 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Next to impossible if they keep ramping up student numbers. They already exceed the training places available. Your research was spot on. Also on that list is Kiwis training in Australia (anywhere in Australia) go ahead of foreigners.Anticipate over 100 CAnadians at UQ next year' date=' which is 1/3-1/2 the total number of grads from that program 5 years ago. Not a lot of new training hospitals being built either.[/quote'] Agreed about Kiwis, they definitely go ahead of foreigners. I only know about one training hospital for sure being built in Gold Coast. That's certainly not enough and it has nothing to do with foreign students as only Griffith university students will be using it and Griffith doesn't take foreigners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don'tBdenied Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Also forgot to mention that the path to a surgical speciality is slightly different here. THey are actually revamping it so you'll have to check SET (surgical electives training I believe) You have to do 1 year intern and 1-2 more as a regional medical officer (RMO) BEFORE they take you into SET. Then Ortho is 5 years and then a sub-speciality possibly (but you'll be working P/T with that at least so you'll be able to start to pay back your 50K a year tuition). Not sure about Canada, but that is awhile. And you likely won't get to go straight into the SET program as you have to be chosen and you won't have much on your side as someone who has done their intern years in the bush and not in an urban setting meeting the surgical fellows. In my very limited experience the surgeons here are really nice and approachable. Great if you are around them. Very bad if you are 3000KM away and your competition is having beers and watching the cricket with them for 2 years. Not sure how old the Canadians applying here generally are on average, but it is a definite consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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