PRR Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 The complete CARMS statistics came out... Looking at unmatched positions, U of C had the highest percentage of unmatched students of any school (9.5%)... Is anyone else concerned about this? Is it factoring into anyone's decision of which school to attend? I read Dr. Walker's posts about it but I am still REALLY wondering what happened, it isn't because it is 3 years because Mac did just fine. http://carms.ca/pdfs/2011R1_MatchResults/34_Distribution%20of%20Unmatched%20Applicants%20and%20Vacant%20Positions_en.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medtech Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 I have faith in Dr. Walker and the U of C faculty. The fact that they already recognize this as a problem is a step in the right direction. The fact that we will do Carms in 3 years gives them ample time to find a solution to this. Therefore this match result, which is not part of a consistent trend, does not worry me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AR12 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Can anyone comment on the participation rate for Calgary? It is the lowest of all schools at 91.8% http://carms.ca/pdfs/2011R1_MatchResults/38_Summary%20of%20Match%20Results_en.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asta Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 For sake of completeness, here is a link to Dr. Walker's post on the subject. http://mdadmissions.ucalgaryblogs.ca/2011/03/22/carms-and-graduate-outcomes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardiomegaly Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2010R1_MatchResults/Match%20Results%20by%20First%20and%20Lower%20Ranked%20Program%20Choices_en.pdf 12 unmatched in 2010, is that the start of a trend? Edit: AR12 - sometimes people don't participate because they repeat clerkship, or match to the States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardiomegaly Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 I found this comparison between 2010 and 2011 very interesting - in general, although they tell us that a very high number of people match to their first choice discipline, a lot of schools have 50-60% of grads matching to first choice overall http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2010R1_MatchResults/Match%20Results%20by%20First%20and%20Lower%20Ranked%20Program%20Choices_en.pdf http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2011R1_MatchResults/9_Match%20Results%20by%20First%20and%20Lower%20Ranked%20Program%20Choices_en.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubert Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Anyone notice that Calgary is at the bottom for 1st choice matches for 2010 and 2011? Perhaps the unmatched issue this year is an anomaly, but has UofC consistently ranked at the bottom for 1st choice matches too? Not sure how to find prior year stats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vdoon Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Anyone notice that Calgary is at the bottom for 1st choice matches for 2010 and 2011? Perhaps the unmatched issue this year is an anomaly, but has UofC consistently ranked at the bottom for 1st choice matches too? Not sure how to find prior year stats... Under the operations menu: http://www.carms.ca/eng/index.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCat'sMeow Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 I found this comparison between 2010 and 2011 very interesting - in general, although they tell us that a very high number of people match to their first choice discipline, a lot of schools have 50-60% of grads matching to first choice overallhttp://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2010R1_MatchResults/Match%20Results%20by%20First%20and%20Lower%20Ranked%20Program%20Choices_en.pdf http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2011R1_MatchResults/9_Match%20Results%20by%20First%20and%20Lower%20Ranked%20Program%20Choices_en.pdf I haven't combed through the documents but I think ppl usually tell you that 95% of people match to their first choice of specialty (which is true) but they usually don't mention that only 50-60% of ppl match to their first choice of program (specialty and location) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeaHatingBrit Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 I found this comparison between 2010 and 2011 very interesting - in general, although they tell us that a very high number of people match to their first choice discipline, a lot of schools have 50-60% of grads matching to first choice overallhttp://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2010R1_MatchResults/Match%20Results%20by%20First%20and%20Lower%20Ranked%20Program%20Choices_en.pdf http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2011R1_MatchResults/9_Match%20Results%20by%20First%20and%20Lower%20Ranked%20Program%20Choices_en.pdf A high number of people (pretty much every school sitting between 88-95%) do match to their first choice DISCIPLINE. But it doesn't necessarily mean they match to their number one RANKED spot. Your ranking includes location + discipline. So If you want IM in Calgary and rank that number one.. And Rank IM Edmonton number 3, and subsequently end up in Edmonton you still matched to your number one discipline, but not your number one rank. Thats where the 50-60% stat comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubert Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Thanks for the clarification on that; looks a lot better. Though the 90% doesn't include unmatched right? So for UofC the true discipline match should be closer to 76% in 2011... http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2011R1_MatchResults/10_Match%20Results%20by%20Choice%20Discipline%20and%20Medical%20School_en.pdf I guess if discipline matching is close to on par, the question becomes: why do UofC grads not get their preferred location with the same success as other schools? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imdaman Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Had to create an account to end this speculation. CARMS matching is like getting a job - bottom line is that the people who rank you have to like you and want you on their team. In the end, it doesn't really matter where you come from or what school you went to. Obviously, the bare necessities need to be there (i.e. pass all exams, perform at a satisfactory level in clerkship, and setup the appropriate electives), but it really just boils down to whether or not you're a likeable person who people can see as a future colleague. And, like any other industry in the world, networking plays a huge factor. It always helps to know people. U of C had a hiccup this year - things would be more concerning if this was a consistent trend. CARMS matching is all about the individual, not the school. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostintime Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Well it is slightly about the school too...because home schools usually give their own students preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lactic Folly Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 I'm not sure that home schools prefer their local graduates per se. I agree that you may find a large number of local grads in a program, but that is likely a combination of those local graduates having more opportunities to become well known to the program, and competitive candidates choosing to stay where they already have roots. If the local graduate is not liked or not considered strong by the program, they will not match, and I've seen this many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krgregg Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Can anyone comment on the participation rate for Calgary? It is the lowest of all schools at 91.8% http://carms.ca/pdfs/2011R1_MatchResults/38_Summary%20of%20Match%20Results_en.pdf approx 8% of the class is malaysian, a program that ended last year and do not participate in the CDN match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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