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Thanks for letting me know, and corrected!

Yes. Sometimes you dont have the option to enroll yet. After verification AMCAS has this symbol system and they will mark that course as "unverified". The schools, regardless, will expect updated transcripts as a condition for matriculation and they will withdraw your acceptance if you havent completed it in time.

You include the courses for the upcoming academic year in with your academic history. There is special designation for them.

Hey! Thanks, and great question, I should add this info to the original post. For verification you do not need your MCAT scores, I think just the date you intend to write. You do need to finish: 1. Inputting courses for GPA 2. Transcripts arrived at AMCAS 3. Your PS (will not be able to alter once submitted) 4. ECs (also cannot change after submitted) 5. Demographic info ... can anyone who has done this more recently add anything? You might have to include one or two schools and a letter or two. Im not certain. You can definitely add schools and letters to your app after yuo submit though.

These are both personal judgement calls - perhaps start a new thread (so that we can keep this one clean for topics to update the survival guide). Or PM me. That being said (note the following are all only my personal opinions... and I am just another premed like you all): I would call up 3 of the schools you are most interested in and ask them if, at their school, would your application be more successful if you applied in August with grad degree / increased GPA or to submit earlier with your current GPA. PS - I would start a fresh personal statement and then incorporate in your best lines from last year. If you try to work on the one you have already you will get stuck. As for paying someone to edit, each draft I sent out to 2 new people which amounted to all the adults in my life, all my business/commerce friends who helped me sell my qualities and my artsy friends for flow. Many opinions is probably more helpful than one paid opinion, I would think. LORs - one of each?

There are 5 Canadians matriculating at GW this year. This forum isnt a great representation!

Your LORs do not have to be in for the verification process. You can add them anytime from May until October. However, schools will not process your application without them so the sooner you get them in the better!

This is not a "what are my chances thread". Please respect the topic of this thread and limit your questions to adding / amending the topics discussed.

I'm having a premed night and am taking the medical specialty aptitude test: http://www.med-ed.virginia.edu/specialties/Home.cfm Where do you fit on the spectrum?: http://xkcd.com/435/

So this is where I applied/summarizes my application cycle: http://mdapplicants.com/profile.php?id=23942 Unlike Canada, many US schools do not advertise how they weight academics / ECs. Therefore what I am about to write is all speculation. To generalize, most US schools will look at most aspects of your application before making a decision. This means it doesn't matter so much if they look at your PS and ECs but what is in your PS and ECs and how it matches what the school is looking for. Also, Its hard to comment without knowing what MCAT range you fall in. Invest in MSAR and do the research - a lot depends on what your goals are and what experiences you already have. Some stat-heavy schools I tried to avoid (by reputation) were WashU, Duke, Yale, the UCs, Stanford and the like. BUT I know if you hit their MCAT range, schools like Duke and Yale are very holistic in their review. I know Michigan State and VCU screen applicants, and only send secondaries to students they feel have a good chance for an interview. If you can do some awesome writing/ have a cool back story then Harvard, Mayo, CWRU, VCU are some good choices. If you have the supporting ECs, and are interested in service medicine/strong social mission, then NYU, GWU, Georgetown and Boston U are good places to apply. If you are researchy then Mt. Sinai, AECOM and CCLCM will be interested in what you have to say. The above schools are ones I seriously considered - I really cannot comment on other Canadian friendly schools like DMS, RFU, UK, SLU, Wayne State.

Thanks guys! The feedback makes it time well wasted! Many people have PMed questions, and keep 'em coming. There are some great things that I had forgotten to mention. I have been continuously updating the posts, and there is still room for improvement.

Congrats! I think you forgot your name beside Rosalind Franklin if you want to edit that. Thats awesome though.

10. You got an interview!!!! Congratulations – you are amazing. Have an (alcoholic) beverage of your choice. Watch Man v. Food for the city you are about to explore. Google-maps-street-view the roads you could be walking down for the next 4 years! Then realize you are going to be compared to all these Americans and you don’t know the first thing about the difference between Medicare and Medicaid. Here are some things you should know: US Med School Basics to think about before your interview: Heath Care System Private = Insurance Public = Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans Hospitals Medicare – Disabled and over 65 Medicaid – Low income families Veterans Hospitals – basically the closest thing to the Canadian health care system, as far as I could tell. Obamacare– aka the Affordable Care Act. People have incredibly strong opinions on this subject. Read up on it and form your own opinion. Canada vs. US - This is bound to come up because no matter what, your gimmick and way to add diversity to a medical class is the fact that you are CANADIAN. A foreign entity. So, did you know that Americans pay more per capita/% of GDP on healthcare then any other country in the world? Socialized medicine IS cheaper. But at what cost? Quality? Timing of care? Distribution of resources? Be able to intelligently compare the two systems. That being said, why come to the states? I want to get my MD no matter what = doesn't cut it. There are some pretty cool things about the states to get excited about. When in doubt talk about increased opportunities and exposure to technologies (be specific), the greater variety of programs available, and in particular your school's ( Insert something unique at that school ). See what I did there? Licensing Exams – Their licensing exams are fairly different from ours. They are the USMLEs. There are 3 steps, but at this point only focus on steps 1 +2. Step 1 – A written multiple choice exam that is taken at the end of second year. It assesses your book-knowledge of medicine – science and good practice. 188 is a passing score. Average score is around 220, though it varies every year. The average pass rate is 92%. Step 2 – Divided into two sections. Taken during 4th year: Step 2 CK – Clinical Knowledge, MC Step 2 CS – Clinical Skills, with standardized patients and actors Sports Teams This is a more social recommendation for your interview day. This may seem silly, but when all you know about the other applicant is their name tag (name and school), everyone ends up talking about the relatively safe topic of college sports. I have to say I was so lost. Maybe look up some college football and basketball team stats or something. Practice Interview Questions If you are not sold on the awesomeness of SDN yet, here applicants have written down questions they were asked at their interview. Click on the school you are interviewing at and find the (tiny) "View Survey Results" under interview feedback. People will post their most difficult questions, most interesting questions etc. Its a great resource to use to prepare for interviews! When to turn down an invite? In my opinion, the only time you would EVER turn down an invite is after you've been accepted to a school. And even then really think about it - they offered you an invite because they think you would be a good fit at their school. 11. After the Interview Filled with wonder – or fear now that you recognize the scope of what getting yourself into? The first acceptances come out on October 15th. Some schools will call you (a very classy touch), others will email you sometime that day. After that, any time is fair game eg. Mayo who sends out emails at 1am! Yes, I'm telling you that you will be anxious, even in your sleep, for the next 10 months or so. Good luck, its going to be a long year. What can you do now? Thank you notes – Protocol varies at different schools and they will probably tell you at the interview what is expected and how to contact them. The only school I’ve been accepted to is the only school I didn’t send a thank you note to.... just saying. Update Letter – exactly what it sounds like. Make it a legitimate update (like a publication, not an A+ on your last midterm). Transcripts – In January most schools would like you to upload your transcripts from the previous term. This is to each individual school (not AMCAS) and most accept “unofficial” transcripts. My new school doesn’t have these so I just scanned copy of my “official” transcript (rendering it unofficial, I guess). Letter of Interest – Usually written into the update letter, you are expressing your continued interest in the school Letter of Intent – this is when you write them to say: if you accept me, I will withdraw my application from all other schools and attend. Please take this seriously and mean it – you would withdraw Canadian applications too. There is one school I would probably sell my kidney and give up my first born child to attend, and I still haven’t written them a letter of intent. Acceptances In the mail, usually, you will receive your acceptance contract. Sign it. Don’t forget to return it! Figure out if there is a deposit to pay and when it is due (like May 22nd; a random day, really far from now). Criminal Background Check - In January you will get an email from Certiphi Screening describing the background check process. It involves faxing personal identification and an additional Canadian release form. Don’t forget to find these and send them out! Second Look - most schools have "second look" days or weekends sometime in March/April. Accepted students are invited back to learn more about the school without the stress of an interview looming. It is a great opportunity to educate yourself better before you decide which school to attend, and allows you to meet your future classmates. * Note on AMCAS Edit: See below to lkthlttr's post to learn how which schools can see how your application is going at other schools. Thanks lkthlttr! Holds / Waitlists Holds and waitlists are very different at each school. Refer to SDN to find more about the ones you have applied to. Know that on May 15th everyone can only hold an acceptance to ONE school. On this day thousands of kids pull their acceptances from multiple schools. This is when the waitlists start moving. In the mean time - here is a 12. The Glossary! PM me any terms you would like defined! Adcom = Admissions Committee BCPM = Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Math Committee Letter – American schools have pre-medical advisory committees which are a group of faculty that organize a comprehensive letter packet of recommendations for the student. We don't have that. Escrow – a policy/account where the full four years tuition must be entered before you can matriculate. FAFSA = Federal loans that American citizens can apply for. A FAFSA application is required to be eligible for institutional loans at most schools. Verification – AMCAS checking to see if your transcripts match your reported scores Bonus! These are my favourite threads to get excited about medicine / interviews. There are some pretty hilarious gems in here. Enjoy! Lessons EM docs have learned from their patients: Don't start this thread when studying... Bizarre Interview stories: I hope you never have to contribute! Short, funny clinical stories: Dr. Grumpy Blog EDIT: You are most welcome! Im happy to do this. And Im really proud Ive been stickied.

Hey! Last year at this time I realized that I was pretty much out of luck for Canadian Medical Schools, and started to look south to fulfill my dreams. In the states the application cycle is this giant daunting process. As Canadians we don’t have access the resources our American counterparts do. They have entire pre-med advisory committees to help them get through the season! Enter premed101. This site, SDN, and (luckily) a former Canadian applicant successful in the states is where I turned for a lot of my information. I am very appreciative for their help and I want to pay it forward. So here is a place to start for all of you who are starting to think about applying to the US! I hope someone finds it helpful. I’m going to bring up some of the differences between the systems, terms you should know and a rough time-line of how things go down. SDN: Is the american premed101 and will fill in any gaps that I miss. List of specific SDN advice threads : The section of SDN were there is advice for writing your PS, filling out secondaries etc. There are 12 Sections to this Guide: 1. Important Dates 2. Rolling Admissions 3. American Subjectivity 4. Application Overview 5. AMCAS Primary *Side Note on Taking/Retaking MCAT 6. School Selections 7. ECs for Primary 8. Secondaries 9. After Secondaries 10. Interviews 11. After the Interview 12. Glossary 1. Important Dates June 1st – AMCAS can be submitted October 15th – First acceptances are released May 15th – Students must pick a single school to be accepted at (can be on as many waitlists as they like). 2. Rolling Admissions Most schools in the US have rolling admissions. This means that they - will start looking at applications in June/July - will interview candidates from late August – March - will accept candidates from October - start of school US schools interview anywhere from 400-1300 applicants in that time frame. Generally, the earlier you interview the better your chances are. I don’t think I will be able to stress this enough but APPLY AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. The competition is twice as hard every month you put it off. Pretty much the only way you’ll get by gracefully if you submit your primary after August is if you have >35 and >3.85. 3. Holistic Approach One large difference between the two systems is that the American system is a lot more subjective. Canada, for the most part, relies a lot more on stats and MMIs. Don’t get me wrong, there are many stat-heavy schools in the states. However (10X) more schools = greater diversity. Most schools in the US use a holistic approach when comparing applicants. My strength lies in my ECs, so I applied to schools that I knew would read my application front to back before they made a decision. Its really nice to see this holistic approach in action - the interviewers will know exactly why you are there in front of them. Man were they thorough: an interviewer quoted my MCAT sub-scores to me, without my application for reference! It was awesome. In the states, its not over ‘till its over. You can write the admissions office updates on your life, expressing your undying love and interest in their school. They want to know that you think their program is great and why you would be an amazing asset to their school. In the American system you don’t just submit an application and pray to the adcom gods to be kind! Its kind of fun in a competitive pre-med kind of way! With that said, it’s also a lot more intensive. So here we go: 4. The Application What is different from Canada is that the American applications have two parts: Primary Application – this is your application to AMCAS. It is kind of like OMSAS for the entire country (except Texas). It is AAMC so they already have your MCAT information right there. In it you will include: - Schools that you will apply to - Your Transcripts - Your letters of reference (LORs) - Your activities (15 with a lot of space for description, 3 you can label “most meaningful” and then get even more space! Its fantastic.) - Your personal statement (~750-1000 words) - Payment (Base fee + 30$ / school) Secondary Application – Each individual school will send you a secondary application (some are screened, most aren’t). Essentially this is a money grab as each school will charge you an additional $60-125 to submit the secondary. Most schools will also ask you to write several additional essays in your secondary as well. Note that this is incredibly time consuming. To make it a little more stressful, it seems to be generally accepted that the faster you return the secondary application = the more interest you seem to have in their school. 5. AMCAS Primary AMCAS applications open and will start accepting transcripts / LORs in May. Therefore in May make sure all of your references and transcripts are sent in, and write that personal statement. Personal Statement - There are many other places to get advice on your PS so I wont talk about it here. Basically, make it awesome and have it read by strangers on the street before you submit it. This is the best place to sell yourself because you never know what opportunities you will have in your secondary essays. Grades – AMCAS has a really sweet grade conversion which makes Canadian GPAs skyrocket (A+ = A = 4.0!) Also, most American programs live on the bell curve so only 5% of the class will ever get an A+ etc. As such, the average GPA of applicants in the US is much lower (3.65-3.7). This is a good table to refer to find out what your chances are. Also, Americans make the distinction between your cGPA and your BCPM GPA. BCPM = sciences and math courses. Verification - On June 1st you can submit your application. Only after submitting will AMCAS check your transcripts against your reported grades. Before submitting your ap for verification the following sections must be complete: -Demographic Information -Grades/Courses -PS -ECs You cannot edit these sections after submitting your application. You can add LORs and schools until October. The earlier you submit, the shorter the verification process. Someone graphed, based on SDN data, how long it takes to be verified given your date of submission (graph is at the bottom of the post). Side note on Taking / Retaking MCAT I have been getting a lot of questions about releasing MCAT scores and the AMCAS primary. Here is what you need to know: 1. There is a place on your AMCAS application to indicate that you are retaking the MCAT. Schools will hold off on reviewing your application until they receive your new score. 2. MCAT and AMCAS are both run by the AAMC, therefore you do not have to release your score. It will be automatically sent to all the schools that you applied to! 6. School Selection This is the question of every other thread on this site. Things to think about: GET MSAR. This site has a profile for each school in the US. It reports everything you could want to know, including the tuition, the range of MCAT scores of the students matriculating, pre-requisite courses required, * how many international students they interviewed etc. The peace of mind it will bring is so worth the 15$ fee in my opinion. It saved me (valuable) hours I would have spent probing the web for questionable stats. US News is another option, but I haven’t tried it out. ITS A NUMBERS GAME. If you are serious about getting in somewhere, I would apply to at least 10 schools. Make sure that at least 7 of these schools have average MCAT and GPA’s that are below yours. Also, don’t classify any school as a “safety school”. Only apply to schools that you would actually attend (which means you're going to have to do a whole lot of research). Most schools, especially the ones with lower stats, are going to have you write a secondary essay about “Why their school”. If you cannot sell it to yourself, you are going to have a hard time selling them that you are interested. Here is a compilation of each schools' average matriculating stats. It was put together by SDN users in 2011. Download a copy. FINANCES – Keep in mind that some American schools have escrow policies where you basically have to come up with all four years tuition up front (160-200 thousand at once - scary). The ones I know of are WashU, SLU, and NYMC. I will add any that people tell me about below. LORs - Every school has frustratingly specific LOR requirements. Start looking into individual LOR requirements asap. The worst offender for LORs I had was Harvard (a girl can dream, right?). They required 2 science profs, 1 non-science prof, and all research supervisors. I threw in a character reference and my count I think was 6 letters! Also I think it was SUNY that wanted letters from profs of two different science departments. So be sure to look into LORs! Pre-Reqs - They vary by school, but I would say 80% of them require that you take a full year of physics, chemistry, biology, organic chemistry (all with labs) and English. Math & biochem is all over the place, especially if you are applying MD/PhD. YOU - What kind of medicine do you want to do? Academic? Primary Care? Travel with MSF? Public Health and Policy? If you are going into academic meds look into research heavy schools (so schools high on the US News rankings bc that is based on research grants). If you want to do policy look into schools in Washington DC and maybe something in MA bc it is an atypical state. This is something no one ever asked me in Canada. They expect you to have at least thought about this in the US. MD Applicants is an AMAZING resource. People willingly post their stats and info about how they did in the cycle ex. which schools there were accepted at, rejected from (before or after interviews), applications they withdrew from and why. Search your stats, search your province etc. to get a better idea about where you should apply. Keep in mind you have no idea how strong their writing (personal statements and secondaries) might be. MSAR is your best bet, but in the meantime this is a pretty comprehensive and mostly accurate list of schools who accept Canadian Applications (great starting point): AECOM Boston U Case Western Reserve University Columbia Cornell Dartmouth Duke Georgetown George Washington University Harvard Hawaii Jefferson Johns Hopkins Loma Linda Mayo Michigan State University Mount Sinai Northwestern NYU NYMC Oakland Penn State Rosalind Franklin U – Chicago Medical School SLU Stanford SUNY Upstate (Syracuse) Tulane University of Kentucky UChicago – Pritzker University of California - there are many, each school is different. Vanderbilt Virginia Commonwealth University Wayne State Washington U in St. Louis Yale You will figure this out on MSAR but Americans have two types of schools: State Schools - Generally lower averages to get in, but its like of like MUN or Dal - you have to fight your connection to the state, there are fewer spots for out of state (OOS) applicants, and it is easily twice as expensive tuition for OOS. Ex. SUNY is roughly 25k for IS and 55k for OOS / year. So dont be fooled / enticed by the lower averages. Private Schools - All applicants are generally on equal ground, and overall the price is expensive (35-50k/year). I would say most Canadians have the best luck at private schools. And then there are: Schools with Religious Affiliations - Loma Linda and Georgetown (they will accept all applications, but your education will have religious add-ins) 7. Extra Curriculars As stated above, you have room for 15 activities. You can divide them into the following categories: Employment – Non-military Employment – Military Honours / Awards Leadership Teaching/ Tutoring Volunteer – Non-clinical Volunteer – Clinical Research / Publications Extracurricular / Hobbies Other I did this by memory so there are probably some more categories, but again, this is a good starting point. The US really wants evidence that you have seriously considered medicine and understand what you are getting yourself into. Make sure you have: 1. Volunteered/worked with patients in some respect (at a hospital, as your schools emergency medical team, as a clerical worker in a medical office etc.) 2. You have shadowed a physician. Now this one is hard in Canada because it is... frowned upon / unlikely physicians who don’t know you will take you on. However, Americans have trouble with this too and they have compiled some strategies to enlist MDs for shadowing. This can be a greater challenge in Canada, but not impossible. The Law edit: While shadowing is helpful, it is by no means essential. If you have some reasonable clinical experiences (ex. working at emergency room, volunteering at a long term care centre, or other related experiences), then you will have enough to talk about. They just want to see that you have some health care/clinical exposure. Shadowing will help, but it isn't necessary if you have other stuff! Otherwise just show you are well rounded and try to have either a) A long term, high level commitment (University-level athletics, Concert pianist) or A gimmick ex. expert in child soldiers, or designed an (intelligent) youtube video that has had over 5 million viewers and was featured on the news type thing. Just try to fill most categories and don’t be afraid to collapse multiple activities under one sub-heading. This is something I wish I had done more of. Think about doing umbrella headings for activities like: - Undergraduate Employment – list all jobs, dates, and responsibilities - Hospital Volunteer work – include all positions and what you learned from them - Undergraduate Awards / Distinctions – include deans list + scholarships + awards upon graduation where applicable. 8. The Secondaries So, you’ve submitted your Primary for verification. Good job, that was a lot of work. Picking schools, assigning LORs, hoping that that one LOR you wrangled from a Faculty of Arts prof makes it to AMCAS because of the worst-timed postal strike of your life... but that was just me. Take a week off! Enjoy the beginning of summer. Because if you have a full time job, the next part becomes a little time consuming. The general rule is to have your secondary back to the school within two weeks of receiving it. For some schools (Harvard – only a fee) its pretty easy. Others this can be a bit more difficult to do (NYU and MSU have about three essays each). Usually you will get about 2 secondaries before you are verified (Dartmouth and GWU) and then after you are verified about 10 will come at once. So, plan ahead. This is where SDN is helpful. Most schools have the same essay questions year to year. Also, the first person to receive their secondary will usually post the question(s). Therefore you can start writing your essays before you even receive the secondary! If you do this the secondaries are a piece of cake. Edit: Below Blizzah has posted a link that shares all the secondary prompts for 2011-2012. This is the "school specific" SDN forum for 2012-2013. The first post of each thread will list the secondary essay questions. People on this site will also tell you when they were verified vs. when they received their secondary. It will give you an idea of when to expect to receive your secondary. When writing each secondary make sure to ask yourself (thank you Joe): 1. "What insight will this give about me as a human being/future physician/ future med student" 2. "If they didn't know this about me, would it make a difference one way or another?". Make sure they are immaculate. They receive 4 000-14 000 applications. They are looking for some reason to cut you out of the pool asap. So, have each secondary read by a couple other people. Rotate those people... you can only ask so much of someone! My only advice here is that after about 5-10 of these bad boys, you get really good at them. There is a bit of a learning curve. I regret sending in Dartmouth as my first secondary – re-reading it now it was AWFUL. I can’t believe they kept me around until February before rejecting me. Don't make the same mistakes I did. Do not sacrifice quality for speed. 9. Between Secondaries and Invites Take a deep breath, because the fun is about to start. Welcome to land of neuroticism. You’re about to enter a love/hate relationship with “Inbox [1]”. Things you can do in the meantime: 1. Start neurotically checking SDN school specific threads to see where you stand. Be excited – that first interview invite is really great! 2. Financially travelling does get expensive. To a certain degree I actually narrowed down schools by how many flights it would take me to get there. Porter’s constant sales = your new favourite airline. Sign yourself up to receive notifications about Air Canada, WestJet and Porter sales. 3. Start doing Canadian applications. They will seem really easy at this point: Copy. Paste. Pay. Complete. 4. Buy your LORs a bottle of wine for sending your letters all over North America.

Adding sans and medhopefuls2016 to the list User Stats (Total Score, VR, PS, BS, cGPA, sGPA) bikwa (30Q, 10, 10, 10, 3.83, 3.86) blizzah (33Q, 10, 12, 11, 3.76, 3.78) jawn_doe (33O, 10, 12, 11, 3.95, 3.97) North12 (32P & 33Q, 3.89, 3.85) medhopefuls2016 (>38, >3.95) moderate (40R, 11, 14, 15, 3.53, 3.68, 4.00 grad GPA) sans0002 (32S, 9, 12, 11, 3.88 CAN) treejuice1 (33Q, 10, 12, 11, 4.0, 4.0) Acceptances: Georgetown: sans0002 (I: 09/23, A: 11/14) GWU: North12 (I:9/20, A:10/17) Jefferson: bikwa (I:9/21, A:9/28 EDP) SLU: treejuice1 (I: 9/12, A: 10/27), blizzah (I: 10/11, A: 11/11), moderate (I: 10/25, A:11/18) SUNY Upstate: EastCoast89 (I:9/21, A: 10/21) UK: blizzah (I:10/1, A:10/17), ajain05 (I:10/1, A:10/17), jawn_doe (I: 10/29, A: 11/03) Vanderbilt: LJ1000F (I: 10/25, A: 11/20) Waitlisted: CWRU: North12 (I:10/04, Hold:10:19) Jefferson: EastCoast89(I:9/28, HPW:10/18) Rejections: Cornell: treejuice1 (R: 8/23) IU: treejuice1 (R: 7/14) Mayo: North12 (LOR Req: 7/09, R:8/10), treejuice1 (R: 7/19), moderate (R: 8/31) SUNY Upstate: moderate (I:11/09, R:11/17) UChicago: medhopefuls2016