AllSmiles Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Out of curiosity...how do pedo dentists make a higher income than dentists that deal with adults? I would have thought that you could bill more procedures with adults than children...the only type of procedures I can really think of are fillings, extractions, spacers, sealants, cleanings...what else is there..I don't know too much about the pedo side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koft Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Space maintainer, and all those special child requiring GA, etc As well, you can place a SSC in 15 mins, less time than you can do a 3 surfaces fillings. Beside the fee guide for specialist is higher than GP! Agree with Networking But... Hmm, I have to disagree with Dr. BadVibes on whether US dental school is better than Canadian dental school in terms of specializing. I can't atest to whether US focus more on CE or specializing than Canada. But it doesn't give you any advantage over Canadian school in terms of going to US to post-grad. I did my dental school north of the border. Yet, from a smaller class size than temple, 6 out of the 9 MATCH to US program. (OMS, Endo, Peds, Prostho and Ortho) Specialization is one thing, but I think dental student should find out what they enjoy first before thinking of post-grad. The good thing about being a GP is at least you have your variety. BadVibes, are you chilling right now, before starting your pedo program, when are you starting? (July 1st or June)? ________ Vaporizer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill E Rubin Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Out of curiosity, where did you go to school? And where are you now for your OMS program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.BadVibes Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Out of curiosity...how do pedo dentists make a higher income than dentists that deal with adults? I would have thought that you could bill more procedures with adults than children...the only type of procedures I can really think of are fillings, extractions, spacers, sealants, cleanings...what else is there..I don't know too much about the pedo side... One word......VOLUME pedo is all about volume.....working on kids has a way faster turnover than working on adults......with their attention span, do u think you can have a kid waiting in a chair for more than 30 mins? U better get that prep done fast, otherwise it aint gonna happen...... pedo dental work in general is very easy.....the teeth are smaller for preps.....extractions are cake on primary teeth since their roots are usually resorbed.....stainless steel crowns do not require meticulous prepping as crowns do in adults.....etc. you can also do basic surgeries on kids such as frenectomies.......which any idiot can do, but most GPs just refer them.......pedodontists bill frenectomies for about $800 and it takes about 10 mins to finish. also, most pedodontists work with medically compromised children......with these kids, you can sedate them and do a full mouth rehab all in one visit.........equals mucho dinero the actual dental work on children is VERY VERY easy...........HOWEVER.........its the kids and the behaviour management aspect that one needs to master, usually through a residency program.....and thats where the challenge lies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.BadVibes Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Space maintainer, and all those special child requiring GA, etc As well, you can place a SSC in 15 mins, less time than you can do a 3 surfaces fillings. Beside the fee guide for specialist is higher than GP! Agree with Networking But... Hmm, I have to disagree with Dr. BadVibes on whether US dental school is better than Canadian dental school in terms of specializing. I can't atest to whether US focus more on CE or specializing than Canada. But it doesn't give you any advantage over Canadian school in terms of going to US to post-grad. I did my dental school north of the border. Yet, from a smaller class size than temple, 6 out of the 9 MATCH to US program. (OMS, Endo, Peds, Prostho and Ortho) Specialization is one thing, but I think dental student should find out what they enjoy first before thinking of post-grad. The good thing about being a GP is at least you have your variety. BadVibes, are you chilling right now, before starting your pedo program, when are you starting? (July 1st or June)? koft.......i never said you couldnt specialize from a canadian dental school........all i was saying is that US schools have more focus and support for those who want to specialize....... Every Canadian dental graduate I have ever met has agreed with me.......it doesnt mean that the education in Canada is inferior or sub-par......quite the contrary........its just that coming from a Canadian dental school, you have extra hurdles to jump if you wanna specialize compared to a US dental student.......trust me, I hate to admit it, but its definitely true and unless you are #1 in your class....have high 90s on the board exams and have discovered some amazing dental research.........there is no question that networking is by far the most important quality in specializing..... its not right......it sucks........but in the real world, thats how the game works...... for those who will be applying to specialize, you'll quickly find out that this is the case....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllSmiles Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 So...DrBadVibes why are you planning on returning to Canada after your specialty? As a specialist you'll be well off in either country, but not as much as you could be if you stayed in the states. Other than family and personal relationships, there doesn't seem to be many benefits of staying in Canada, no? I've lived in both countries for a long time...so I'm kind of split on which one I prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.BadVibes Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 So...DrBadVibes why are you planning on returning to Canada after your specialty? As a specialist you'll be well off in either country, but not as much as you could be if you stayed in the states. Other than family and personal relationships, there doesn't seem to be many benefits of staying in Canada, no? I've lived in both countries for a long time...so I'm kind of split on which one I prefer. Well Ill have dual citizenship soon, so Ill be able to own practices in both countries.......however, I do love Canada a lot, and cant see myself settling down and raising a family anywhere else For pedo, I'd have to disagree with you on the money aspect.....Its usually a misconception that people in our field make more money in the US, and for general dentists, I might agree due to saturation in major Canadian urban areas....... BUtttt...due to the brain drain and the fact that most canadians who specialize do it in the US and end up staying there, there arent many pedodontists in Toronto......look it up yourself! And people fail to realize that Toronto is the 3rd largest city in North America.....people there have amazing purchasing power just like any other major urban city......so the potential in Toronto is huge......especially since everytime I go back to visit, there are like 100 new condo/apartment buildings that are new........Toronto just keeps growing!!!! However, I do wish to take advantage of the dual citizenship stuff, so I plan on partnering and investing in some pedo practices across the border in Amherst.......honestly in dentistry, the sky is the limit and thats why its a GRREEEEAT profession! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stesha Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 UWO only has post-grad Ortho and Oral Surgery and also a General Practice Residency. U of T offers every speciality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjaejai Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Hello. My question here is somewhat off-topic, but I still want to ask this. What are the things schools look at when people apply for specialization? Do they still look at your undergraduate grades? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.BadVibes Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Hello.My question here is somewhat off-topic, but I still want to ask this. What are the things schools look at when people apply for specialization? Do they still look at your undergraduate grades? Thanks. Depends on what type of specialty you're looking at.....some specialties want high academics....some want crazy research....some like pedo care a lot about your personality.... also it depends on the program....out of the 12 pedo programs I applied to, I'd say about half wanted my UofT undergrad transcripts.....and I'd say about 2 out of the 6 interviews I went on asked me specific questions about my undergrad grades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.BadVibes Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Update from my class..... the only guy that didnt match into endo from my class this year just got accepted to a spot that opened up at Temple's endo program.... Im sure it had a lot to do with the fact that he went to Temple and gotten to know the faculty throughout the years, because he was in the bottom 10 of my class..... yet another example of how networking/connections is probably the biggest thing you need when you specialize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koft Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 I think you should never neglect any aspect of it. Since Dentistry is more buiness oriented than medicine in Canada.. hey, you know as a specialist you need a good relationship with GP, or else you won't be any referral... ________ Magic flight launch box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XtremWarrior Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Hi guys, thx for this very interesting post, but i had some questions for you. I just got accepted for DMD program at UofMtrl and my admission process at Mcgill is on waiting list (think i made well, so might have a good rank) and I wanted to know: Am i screwed for speciality in Canada ? If not, what should I do from the beginning to guaranty a speaciality post (pedo, ortho or endo) ? For info: I got quite a good cote in the collegial and I wasn't the last admitted obviously) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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