sgt.pepper Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 If I go to Wayne state am at a disadvantage to match into a surgical residency in the US compared to other schools. How about CARMS I would like to do general surgery or if I can the tougher to match in ones like Orthopedic (Obviously not sure since I'm in UG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lactic Folly Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Looks like Wayne State offers ortho: http://gme.med.wayne.edu/wsu-programs.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloh Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Your chance is approximately 17%. It goes up by 5 points to 22% if you wear a blue hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gb35 Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 short answer is no. again, no Wait, your chances are not lower for CaRMs if you come from an american MD? Am I missing something here??? I thought your chances were a lot lower if you studied anywhere but Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest copacetic Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 assuming you are a canadian citizen already, or permanent resident and you go to a LCME accredited school (practically every school in the USA and Canada is LCME accredited, then you have access to first round Carms spots in the canadian match). do a rotation if you can at the program you are interested, and you should be on equal footing with the canadian grads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gb35 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 assuming you are a canadian citizen already, or permanent resident and you go to a LCME accredited school (practically every school in the USA and Canada is LCME accredited, then you have access to first round Carms spots in the canadian match). do a rotation if you can at the program you are interested, and you should be on equal footing with the canadian grads So (and excuse my ignorance) why don't more people go the US route then? Is it just a matter of cost, or? I know lots of people who had stats that, based on this site I'd have considered very competitive for US schools, but they didn't apply there and went the Carribean route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarathonRunner Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 So (and excuse my ignorance) why don't more people go the US route then? Is it just a matter of cost, or? I know lots of people who had stats that, based on this site I'd have considered very competitive for US schools, but they didn't apply there and went the Carribean route. I think it's a combination of: 1. the cost and 2. not all US schools are "Canadian friendly" if you aren't a US permanent resident (or have dual-citizenship). Plus not everyone has all the pre-reqs that US schools require, and maybe some don't want to take the extra time to complete those pre-reqs? Also, with the US schools, applying earlier is best, since they have rolling admissions, perhaps the timing doesn't work out for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloh Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 It's probably a combination of the cost and the fact that most schools aren't Canadian-friendly. There's also the issue of getting a residency spot in the states as a non-US resident, which is substantially more limited and difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itimebomb2 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 assuming you are a canadian citizen already, or permanent resident and you go to a LCME accredited school (practically every school in the USA and Canada is LCME accredited, then you have access to first round Carms spots in the canadian match). do a rotation if you can at the program you are interested, and you should be on equal footing with the canadian grads this is totally new information to me... does this include carribean schools? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 No. Caribbean schools are not the same as US ones. US grads can enter the first round of CaRMS. Caribbean grads can only enter the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest copacetic Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Of course not, the US schools are on par (and even better) than canadian schools, so we all have LCME accreditation. Caribbean schools don't meet the LCME accreditation but do have WHO accreditation. some carribean schools are american schools "in" the carribean. However, though they are WHO accredited, they are NOT LCME accredited. Thus, you will be considered IMG if you go to a carribean school. only schools in canada and USA proper are LCME accredited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itimebomb2 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 this is very interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJack Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Carib school grads have a near impossible task in matching to any residency spot in Canada. In the US they have a few more options given the greater number of spots, but most of these are in fields like family medicine and in locations that are undesirable. Sure, you hear of the SGU grad that matched to dermatology or orthopedics etc, but it cannot be emphasized enough that they are exceptions. The moral of the story is that if you want to go into a competitive residency, do not go overseas for medical school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 this is very interesting... Why? They have no accreditation from LCME. You musta heard of this before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entkeener Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 No. Caribbean schools are not the same as US ones. US grads can enter the first round of CaRMS. Caribbean grads can only enter the second round. actually they are considered IMG's and go through the IMG first round and the common second round (in the second round all applicants are eligible for all spots) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnuts Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Sorry that's just wrong, http://www.carms.ca/eng/r1_eligibility_prov_e.shtml Check table: Summary of intake criteria for United States Medical School Graduates. Canadian Citizen/PRs who graduate from US LMCE accredited schools are treated as CMGs under CaRMS and apply competitively and not in the IMG stream in the first round of CaRMS. A list of LMCE schools can be found here: http://www.lcme.org/directry.htm actually they are considered IMG's and go through the IMG first round and the common second round (in the second round all applicants are eligible for all spots) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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