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Hello everyone,

 

I was just looking at previous stats for Manitoba, and was wondering if anyone could confirm/answer the following:

 

1. Are OOP considered to be in a separate "pool" post-interview? For example http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/medicine/alumni/media/Class_2015_Statistics_for_web.pdf shows 48 OOP interviewed- for 10 seats?

 

2. The stats for previous years

 

Class of 2014 http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/medicine/alumni/media/Class_2014_Stats_For_Website.pdf

Class of 2015 http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/medicine/alumni/media/Class_2015_Statistics_for_web.pdf

 

...show 5 and 8 OOP enrolled in the end, respectively. Would this imply that they went through the entire waitlist for OOP? Not sure how to make sense of those numbers...

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Hello everyone,

 

I was just looking at previous stats for Manitoba, and was wondering if anyone could confirm/answer the following:

 

1. Are OOP considered to be in a separate "pool" post-interview? For example http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/medicine/alumni/media/Class_2015_Statistics_for_web.pdf shows 48 OOP interviewed- for 10 seats?

 

2. The stats for previous years

 

Class of 2014 http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/medicine/alumni/media/Class_2014_Stats_For_Website.pdf

Class of 2015 http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/medicine/alumni/media/Class_2015_Statistics_for_web.pdf

 

...show 5 and 8 OOP enrolled in the end, respectively. Would this imply that they went through the entire waitlist for OOP? Not sure how to make sense of those numbers...

 

Yes and presumably yes. (one can also imply that some ppl may have been red flagged or "failed" the MMI).

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Yes and presumably yes. (one can also imply that some ppl may have been red flagged or "failed" the MMI).

 

Wow, does that actually happen? What would one have to say to actually fail the MMI? :confused:

 

i heard they actually went through the whole waitlist + one of our classmates got off the "rejection" list.

 

idk how valid that is though

 

I like the sound of that :D

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Try doing mock MMI interviews as an interviewer. It is definitely possible to fail.

 

I'm assuming you've conducted interviews then? :)

Would you be able to give specific examples of behavior that you would classify as "fail" in MMIs? I've started research and practice for MMIs and not greatly worried, but unless I deliberately start spouting unethical nonsense at my interviews...

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The answer to the OP's question is contained within the PDF that he posted :rolleyes:

 

It seems to me that the OP would benefit from enhancements to their information acquisition abilities, and now would be a perfect opportunity to improve them.

 

I'm sorry, I don't feel the need to prove my "information acquisition abilities" to strangers on the internet :confused: I only posted to confirm a couple of things from people who are better acquainted with Manitoba med admissions. Your post suggests that you haven't actually looked at the PDF in question, and are trolling :rolleyes:

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I'm assuming you've conducted interviews then? :)

Would you be able to give specific examples of behavior that you would classify as "fail" in MMIs? I've started research and practice for MMIs and not greatly worried, but unless I deliberately start spouting unethical nonsense at my interviews...

 

Yes, I have. Candidates can really strike you as thinkers and can show that they have considered the scenario from both sides. Some just don't quite get it. There was one mock interviewee I interviewed in regards to a social medicine topic having to do with prevention (that's as far as I'm going to elude to for the question posed). The interviewee got so wrapped up in the science aspect of it, he easily demonstrated that he doesn't quite understand key facets of medicine beyond science.

All in all, the interviewee failed to answer the question, failed to develop a relevant argument and demonstrate thought in the answer. Even while dropping hints while probing, I still could not get a proper answer. The interviewee came off as book smart, but life stupid. Needless to say, he did not make it to be a part of the C/O 2015.

I would suggest for MMIs to think hard about the roles of medicine within the community and province, and to really show you understand both sides to an argument, yet be able to chose one side and defend your choice.

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Yes, I have. Candidates can really strike you as thinkers and can show that they have considered the scenario from both sides. Some just don't quite get it. There was one mock interviewee I interviewed in regards to a social medicine topic having to do with prevention (that's as far as I'm going to elude to for the question posed). The interviewee got so wrapped up in the science aspect of it, he easily demonstrated that he doesn't quite understand key facets of medicine beyond science.

All in all, the interviewee failed to answer the question, failed to develop a relevant argument and demonstrate thought in the answer. Even while dropping hints while probing, I still could not get a proper answer. The interviewee came off as book smart, but life stupid. Needless to say, he did not make it to be a part of the C/O 2015.

I would suggest for MMIs to think hard about the roles of medicine within the community and province, and to really show you understand both sides to an argument, yet be able to chose one side and defend your choice.

 

That was the single most helpful advice I've received on premed101... thank you! Saving post on computer :)

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I found this some time back and it appears to be good guidance. The interviewers mark you from a ‘structured checklist’ ranging from “excellent”, “good”, “satisfactory” to “unsatisfactory”. Below is also an additional List of Skills and Behaviours that are specifically marked in one of the below categories:

4=Excellent, 3=Good, 2=Satisfactory, 1=Unsatisfactory Top Score=20

 

- Has a sense of establishing the facts to ensure fairness

 

- Demonstrates an awareness of the dilemma from a range of perspectives

 

- Ability to balance conflicting interests to come to a judgment about what is right

 

- Appreciates the need for students to consider the consequences of personal

behaviours

 

- Is able to draw lessons from experience to inform future learning

 

Excellent shows a degree of originality and creativity, including showing a good appreciation of the general issues in the context of professionalism. There is good coverage of the topic with relevant and reasoned argument. The answers demonstrate a clear view of how the various aspects of the topic relate to one another. There is reasonable evidence of critical reflection on professionalism on both the interviewee and that of others. The answers appear authentic and honest.

 

Good is the same as Excellent without the originality and creativity.

 

Satisfactory the answers are relevant but do not address all aspects of the topic. There is demonstration of understanding of the issue being considered and just enough evidence that a reasonable argument has been advanced. There is evidence of critical reflection on professionalism but the answers are more descriptive than analytical. The answers indicate a modest understanding of the topic but appear authentic and honest.

 

Unsatisfactory the discussion is not always accurate and relevant and key points are missed. The attempt at reasoned argument is of doubtful quality. Strategy is misfired.

 

Strength of your arguments, your communication skills, how you defend your position n/w/s provocation and the interviewer’s overall assessment of your performance and suitability to study of medicine and being a doctor are all factors.

 

Essential characteristics of Applicant:

Show ethical thinking and ethical decision making

Show professionalism, i.e. honesty, compassion, team working, ethical understanding knowledge of health care system

Dress conservatively, and note that your body language is important throughout interview

Bond with Interviewers if possible, in appropriate fashion

Effective communicator – ability to convey your ideas clearly and concisely. Listen to any explanations and statements given throughout the process

Eye contact and shake hands upon entering each MMI

Good interpersonal skills with Interviewers

Always appear calm and in control

Show quiet confidence as a person

Think before opening your mouth

Understanding – know why you are there

Ability to understand the principal issue of the situation and other important issues

Complete the answer before the time runs out

(wear watch in case no clock in sight)

Give an accurate overall portrayal of who you are

Be clear and unambiguous in your answers

Time Management is of the essence – not all applicants finish all answers. The ability to complete the task in a timely manner demonstrates an important skill

Maturity

Show no nervousness or anxiety no matter what

Thank Interviewers when each session is over (perhaps shaking hand again)

 

Behaviours having the following attributes:

*Responsibility

*Integrity – having moral courage and honesty, being deserving of trust

*Sensitivity to the needs of others – kindness, empathy, understanding, benevolence,

recognizing the physical and emotional vulnerabilities of others in situations

*Understanding the difficulties of others

*Responding sensitively and appropriately to situations given

*Empathy

*Seeing the larger picture and the impact of the situation upon others of similar or other vulnerabilities and upon the great community, seeing how to create practical or innovative solutions

*Insight

*Information Manager – sift the information given so as to focus on solutions to all issues, including those not apparent on the surface

*Effective Decision maker – being able to identify the problem, break it down and to identify the steps in problem solving

*Self-directed Learner – Inquiring mind to further knowledge and skills

*Ability to make a shared plan – your solution may involve cooperation of many parties for its success

*Understanding of health professionals in society

*Explanation in Context – as a communicator, Interviewers must know clearly why you have come to the decisions you have made, leave nothing for granted

*Ability to make shared plan in best interests of patient

 

People who will, in their professional relationships:

Take responsibility for their actions

Act ethically

Act in a congenial and collaborative manner

Be reflexive

Be reliable

Be trustworthy and honest

Demonstrate respect for others

Have commitment to help others

Maintain confidences

 

Mental processes that include:

Ability to summarize your position as your first statements

Ability to assimilate and evaluate information in time sensitive fashion

Critical problem solving abilities in time sensitive manner

Prioritize and manage solutions in a sensible fashion

Ability to communicate decisions to others in appropriate manner

Ability to defend your position or ideas expressed – be prepared for interviewers to rigorously challenge you

Ability to apply your general knowledge

 

Seeking students who will:

Be self-directed learners

Be an integral part of an interprofessional healthcare team

Be willing to self-assess

Be willing to work hard

Communicate effectively

Demonstrate ethical thinking

Demonstrate ability to manage time

Demonstrate ability to tolerate stress

Demonstrate good judgment

Demonstrate insight and empathy

Recognize and respect the benefits of science and role of others healthcare disciplines

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I found this some time back and it appears to be good guidance. The interviewers mark you from a ‘structured checklist’ ranging from “excellent”, “good”, “satisfactory” to “unsatisfactory”. Below is also an additional List of Skills and Behaviours that are specifically marked in one of the below categories:

4=Excellent, 3=Good, 2=Satisfactory, 1=Unsatisfactory Top Score=20

 

- Has a sense of establishing the facts to ensure fairness

 

- Demonstrates an awareness of the dilemma from a range of perspectives

 

- Ability to balance conflicting interests to come to a judgment about what is right

 

This is also in the interview prep package you put together :D which I am also very thankful for :)

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Admissions 2015 statistics document:

 

OOP Candidates invited for interview: 48

OOP Candidates offered admission: 40

 

Chance of admission upon being interviewed = 83%

 

As long as you aren't a social retard you will be offered. Ignore what keith_095 says about the interview, he's puffing it up to be a bigger deal than it is.

 

I can just as easily say 8 OOP were accepted for 10 spots. Thus 2 spots were unfilled yet 8 people were not offered....thus 17% of people "failed" the MMI. Not exactly chump change.

 

Yes it is easier once you get an interview but you can't go in thinking it'll be a cake walk. I know 2 OOP people who were not accepted in the class of 2014 because of interview issues. It happens, so best not get caught off guard.

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Admissions 2015 statistics document:

 

OOP Candidates invited for interview: 48

OOP Candidates offered admission: 40

 

Chance of admission upon being interviewed = 83%

 

As long as you aren't a social retard you will be offered. Ignore what keith_095 says about the interview, he's puffing it up to be a bigger deal than it is.

 

From your assumptive thinking, I have a good feeling you'd be one of those stats that doesn't pass the MMI. The school doesn't just throw out invites as semi-automatic acceptances. Regardless of the number who interviewed for my class, we only have 6 OOP instead of the 10% of class size that is the typical quota. I'm sure if they chose to, they could've easily filled that quota with OOPs who interviewed.

 

Take note of this kind of thinking m1428. Not very good at all.

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