m1428 Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Hello everyone, I was just looking at previous stats for Manitoba, and was wondering if anyone could confirm/answer the following: 1. Are OOP considered to be in a separate "pool" post-interview? For example http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/medicine/alumni/media/Class_2015_Statistics_for_web.pdf shows 48 OOP interviewed- for 10 seats? 2. The stats for previous years Class of 2014 http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/medicine/alumni/media/Class_2014_Stats_For_Website.pdf Class of 2015 http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/medicine/alumni/media/Class_2015_Statistics_for_web.pdf ...show 5 and 8 OOP enrolled in the end, respectively. Would this imply that they went through the entire waitlist for OOP? Not sure how to make sense of those numbers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndoe88 Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Hello everyone, I was just looking at previous stats for Manitoba, and was wondering if anyone could confirm/answer the following: 1. Are OOP considered to be in a separate "pool" post-interview? For example http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/medicine/alumni/media/Class_2015_Statistics_for_web.pdf shows 48 OOP interviewed- for 10 seats? 2. The stats for previous years Class of 2014 http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/medicine/alumni/media/Class_2014_Stats_For_Website.pdf Class of 2015 http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/medicine/alumni/media/Class_2015_Statistics_for_web.pdf ...show 5 and 8 OOP enrolled in the end, respectively. Would this imply that they went through the entire waitlist for OOP? Not sure how to make sense of those numbers... Yes and presumably yes. (one can also imply that some ppl may have been red flagged or "failed" the MMI). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preppy038 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 i heard they actually went through the whole waitlist + one of our classmates got off the "rejection" list. idk how valid that is though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1428 Posted January 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Yes and presumably yes. (one can also imply that some ppl may have been red flagged or "failed" the MMI). Wow, does that actually happen? What would one have to say to actually fail the MMI? i heard they actually went through the whole waitlist + one of our classmates got off the "rejection" list. idk how valid that is though I like the sound of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixFlare500 Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Wow, does that actually happen? What would one have to say to actually fail the MMI? To actually get red flagged you'd have to prove that you were someone they definitely did not want in med school. Probably by saying something really offensive, or proving that you couldn't handle the pressure of med. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith_015 Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Try doing mock MMI interviews as an interviewer. It is definitely possible to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1428 Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Try doing mock MMI interviews as an interviewer. It is definitely possible to fail. I'm assuming you've conducted interviews then? Would you be able to give specific examples of behavior that you would classify as "fail" in MMIs? I've started research and practice for MMIs and not greatly worried, but unless I deliberately start spouting unethical nonsense at my interviews... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1428 Posted February 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 The answer to the OP's question is contained within the PDF that he posted It seems to me that the OP would benefit from enhancements to their information acquisition abilities, and now would be a perfect opportunity to improve them. I'm sorry, I don't feel the need to prove my "information acquisition abilities" to strangers on the internet I only posted to confirm a couple of things from people who are better acquainted with Manitoba med admissions. Your post suggests that you haven't actually looked at the PDF in question, and are trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith_015 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I'm assuming you've conducted interviews then? Would you be able to give specific examples of behavior that you would classify as "fail" in MMIs? I've started research and practice for MMIs and not greatly worried, but unless I deliberately start spouting unethical nonsense at my interviews... Yes, I have. Candidates can really strike you as thinkers and can show that they have considered the scenario from both sides. Some just don't quite get it. There was one mock interviewee I interviewed in regards to a social medicine topic having to do with prevention (that's as far as I'm going to elude to for the question posed). The interviewee got so wrapped up in the science aspect of it, he easily demonstrated that he doesn't quite understand key facets of medicine beyond science. All in all, the interviewee failed to answer the question, failed to develop a relevant argument and demonstrate thought in the answer. Even while dropping hints while probing, I still could not get a proper answer. The interviewee came off as book smart, but life stupid. Needless to say, he did not make it to be a part of the C/O 2015. I would suggest for MMIs to think hard about the roles of medicine within the community and province, and to really show you understand both sides to an argument, yet be able to chose one side and defend your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1428 Posted February 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Yes, I have. Candidates can really strike you as thinkers and can show that they have considered the scenario from both sides. Some just don't quite get it. There was one mock interviewee I interviewed in regards to a social medicine topic having to do with prevention (that's as far as I'm going to elude to for the question posed). The interviewee got so wrapped up in the science aspect of it, he easily demonstrated that he doesn't quite understand key facets of medicine beyond science.All in all, the interviewee failed to answer the question, failed to develop a relevant argument and demonstrate thought in the answer. Even while dropping hints while probing, I still could not get a proper answer. The interviewee came off as book smart, but life stupid. Needless to say, he did not make it to be a part of the C/O 2015. I would suggest for MMIs to think hard about the roles of medicine within the community and province, and to really show you understand both sides to an argument, yet be able to chose one side and defend your choice. That was the single most helpful advice I've received on premed101... thank you! Saving post on computer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I found this some time back and it appears to be good guidance. The interviewers mark you from a ‘structured checklist’ ranging from “excellent”, “good”, “satisfactory” to “unsatisfactory”. Below is also an additional List of Skills and Behaviours that are specifically marked in one of the below categories: 4=Excellent, 3=Good, 2=Satisfactory, 1=Unsatisfactory Top Score=20 - Has a sense of establishing the facts to ensure fairness - Demonstrates an awareness of the dilemma from a range of perspectives - Ability to balance conflicting interests to come to a judgment about what is right - Appreciates the need for students to consider the consequences of personal behaviours - Is able to draw lessons from experience to inform future learning Excellent shows a degree of originality and creativity, including showing a good appreciation of the general issues in the context of professionalism. There is good coverage of the topic with relevant and reasoned argument. The answers demonstrate a clear view of how the various aspects of the topic relate to one another. There is reasonable evidence of critical reflection on professionalism on both the interviewee and that of others. The answers appear authentic and honest. Good is the same as Excellent without the originality and creativity. Satisfactory the answers are relevant but do not address all aspects of the topic. There is demonstration of understanding of the issue being considered and just enough evidence that a reasonable argument has been advanced. There is evidence of critical reflection on professionalism but the answers are more descriptive than analytical. The answers indicate a modest understanding of the topic but appear authentic and honest. Unsatisfactory the discussion is not always accurate and relevant and key points are missed. The attempt at reasoned argument is of doubtful quality. Strategy is misfired. Strength of your arguments, your communication skills, how you defend your position n/w/s provocation and the interviewer’s overall assessment of your performance and suitability to study of medicine and being a doctor are all factors. Essential characteristics of Applicant: Show ethical thinking and ethical decision making Show professionalism, i.e. honesty, compassion, team working, ethical understanding knowledge of health care system Dress conservatively, and note that your body language is important throughout interview Bond with Interviewers if possible, in appropriate fashion Effective communicator – ability to convey your ideas clearly and concisely. Listen to any explanations and statements given throughout the process Eye contact and shake hands upon entering each MMI Good interpersonal skills with Interviewers Always appear calm and in control Show quiet confidence as a person Think before opening your mouth Understanding – know why you are there Ability to understand the principal issue of the situation and other important issues Complete the answer before the time runs out (wear watch in case no clock in sight) Give an accurate overall portrayal of who you are Be clear and unambiguous in your answers Time Management is of the essence – not all applicants finish all answers. The ability to complete the task in a timely manner demonstrates an important skill Maturity Show no nervousness or anxiety no matter what Thank Interviewers when each session is over (perhaps shaking hand again) Behaviours having the following attributes: *Responsibility *Integrity – having moral courage and honesty, being deserving of trust *Sensitivity to the needs of others – kindness, empathy, understanding, benevolence, recognizing the physical and emotional vulnerabilities of others in situations *Understanding the difficulties of others *Responding sensitively and appropriately to situations given *Empathy *Seeing the larger picture and the impact of the situation upon others of similar or other vulnerabilities and upon the great community, seeing how to create practical or innovative solutions *Insight *Information Manager – sift the information given so as to focus on solutions to all issues, including those not apparent on the surface *Effective Decision maker – being able to identify the problem, break it down and to identify the steps in problem solving *Self-directed Learner – Inquiring mind to further knowledge and skills *Ability to make a shared plan – your solution may involve cooperation of many parties for its success *Understanding of health professionals in society *Explanation in Context – as a communicator, Interviewers must know clearly why you have come to the decisions you have made, leave nothing for granted *Ability to make shared plan in best interests of patient People who will, in their professional relationships: Take responsibility for their actions Act ethically Act in a congenial and collaborative manner Be reflexive Be reliable Be trustworthy and honest Demonstrate respect for others Have commitment to help others Maintain confidences Mental processes that include: Ability to summarize your position as your first statements Ability to assimilate and evaluate information in time sensitive fashion Critical problem solving abilities in time sensitive manner Prioritize and manage solutions in a sensible fashion Ability to communicate decisions to others in appropriate manner Ability to defend your position or ideas expressed – be prepared for interviewers to rigorously challenge you Ability to apply your general knowledge Seeking students who will: Be self-directed learners Be an integral part of an interprofessional healthcare team Be willing to self-assess Be willing to work hard Communicate effectively Demonstrate ethical thinking Demonstrate ability to manage time Demonstrate ability to tolerate stress Demonstrate good judgment Demonstrate insight and empathy Recognize and respect the benefits of science and role of others healthcare disciplines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1428 Posted February 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I found this some time back and it appears to be good guidance. The interviewers mark you from a ‘structured checklist’ ranging from “excellent”, “good”, “satisfactory” to “unsatisfactory”. Below is also an additional List of Skills and Behaviours that are specifically marked in one of the below categories:4=Excellent, 3=Good, 2=Satisfactory, 1=Unsatisfactory Top Score=20 - Has a sense of establishing the facts to ensure fairness - Demonstrates an awareness of the dilemma from a range of perspectives - Ability to balance conflicting interests to come to a judgment about what is right This is also in the interview prep package you put together which I am also very thankful for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndoe88 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Admissions 2015 statistics document: OOP Candidates invited for interview: 48 OOP Candidates offered admission: 40 Chance of admission upon being interviewed = 83% As long as you aren't a social retard you will be offered. Ignore what keith_095 says about the interview, he's puffing it up to be a bigger deal than it is. I can just as easily say 8 OOP were accepted for 10 spots. Thus 2 spots were unfilled yet 8 people were not offered....thus 17% of people "failed" the MMI. Not exactly chump change. Yes it is easier once you get an interview but you can't go in thinking it'll be a cake walk. I know 2 OOP people who were not accepted in the class of 2014 because of interview issues. It happens, so best not get caught off guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith_015 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Admissions 2015 statistics document: OOP Candidates invited for interview: 48 OOP Candidates offered admission: 40 Chance of admission upon being interviewed = 83% As long as you aren't a social retard you will be offered. Ignore what keith_095 says about the interview, he's puffing it up to be a bigger deal than it is. From your assumptive thinking, I have a good feeling you'd be one of those stats that doesn't pass the MMI. The school doesn't just throw out invites as semi-automatic acceptances. Regardless of the number who interviewed for my class, we only have 6 OOP instead of the 10% of class size that is the typical quota. I'm sure if they chose to, they could've easily filled that quota with OOPs who interviewed. Take note of this kind of thinking m1428. Not very good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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