Guest me maniac Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 Did someone say "HOT FLING"???!!!! Hmmmm..... And yes, I'd still respect you if you were a chiro or something else, but be forwarned, if you become a "real" doctor I might want to share your salary (I'm money driven, don't you know!). But can we still have the hot fling?!!! (oh, oh, I'm starting to sound easy - BUT I'M NOT CHEAP! ) Good luck and I hope you get in! me Edited to say this thread has gotten waaaaaaaaaay off topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lakers4life Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 Whatevea...if you all think that Chiros earn the title of doctor jsut as much as those in medical school, thats your business. But there are plenty of people, like me that will disagree. I know Western Meds ran a 'Jackass' style skit about it but it was never shown due b.c it was taken as being too offensive. Again, a topic that is not discussed [kinda like money] in med school, but we all have our own opinons. I think everyone respects chiros for what they are, whether we choose to call them 'doctors' by profession [as opposed to by title] is another story. Me Maniac which med school are you going too? Since you have a family are you going to be living at home and commutting? Just wondering b.c there are quite a few people in my class that commute from way far out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest j282 Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 The old "we are @#%$ awseome, everyone else sucks" mentality is alive and well in med school. 20 something year old bratty kids going around laughing at highly trained health professionals who have been working for 20 or more years. I'm sure they would appreciate watching a jackass style video on the profession that they have worked so hard in, staged by some pimple faced kids from UWO who finally have a chance to be cool within their geeks rule world of med school. Well to some in that video, let's say I know much more than I should but.......what are your thoughts on future doctors who have weight issues, maybe some of those ungly lardy fat asses in the video should think about that:smokin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lakers4life Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 Huh? Sorry I don't know much about the Western thing other than what I have heard throught he grapevine. I think it had something to do with chiros and the whole fake doc thing but I don't know details about it. It was ment to be funny though...I can't commetn on its approriateness without knowing more...just stating that I doubt I am the only one who thinks that chiros are the same as those who graduate from med school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ian Wong Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 Please stay professional folks. Thanks, Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest therealcrackers Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 j282, your comments are unprofessional and totally out of line. Apologies are in order, especially since my acne cleared up at 16. And you want to be a doctor someday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest strider2004 Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 I have a real problem with people who somehow feel that the title 'doctor' is somehow only deserved by the priviledged few. I have a friend who thought that speech pathologists didn't belong in the Faculty of Medicine and that really ticked me off as well. The term 'doctor' is meant to signify that you are a specialist in your field of study. Doctor of medicine, Doctor of Chiropractic, Doctor of Philosophy - everyone has their areas of study. Every field has its own limited scope and to assume that the term 'doctor' should only apply to MDs is hogwash. Evidence based medicine is also a poor veil to hide behind. It's only been in favour for the past 15 years or so so the medical field shouldn't gloat about being the first ones to use it. Everyone else will catch up in due time. There are still many many practices in medicine (and I'm talking about internal medicine) that haven't held up to the rigours of EBM. A lot of our treatments are still theoretical but we use them anyway. Using Mannitol with increased ICP? I don't think anybody has ever done a trial on it but it sure sounds like it would work and it's definitely taught in med school. Use of beta blockers in heart failure? Everyone thought it was a no-no but hey, a hundred clinical trials later and gosh, it might help afterall! Remember that a hundred years ago, surgeons weren't real 'doctors' either. They were just barbers or butchers who had a good grasp of anatomy. In fact, surgery was considered beneath the real 'doctors'. Now is not the time to turn on other professionals and ridicule them for not catching onto the EBM craze early enough. We should be patient enough to wait for them to play catch-up. I know some chiros who are more deserving of the title 'doctor' than some MDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest monksters Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 Hi Lakers4life, If EBM is what makes medicine, medicine, then we have only had this profession for the last 15 years or so.. because prior to that there was very little understanding about evidence and absolutely no understanding about systematic reviews. Prior to Archie Cochrane's push for RCT's and systematic reviews, many physician's relied very much on clinical experience. You would be suprised at how much we use in clinical medicine that has very little evidence. Bone Marrow Density for instance is commonly used as a measure to determine the extent of osteopenia or osteoperosis. Yet, it correlates very little with clinical outcome. True there are many RCT's but quality peer reviewed RCT's are still in their premature state. And merely because Chiro's do not currently rely on EBM does not discount them as doctors.. they in fact are clinicians (doctors) of a different sort whereas PhD's are Scientists. just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lakers4life Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 Obviosuly the term doctor by title applies to everyone with a doctorate. But to be a doctor by profession means you went to med school. Dentists are called dentists. Chiro's are called chiro's. Whne a patient walks into a hospital they want to see a doctor. When they go to get a tooth pulled they want to see a dentist. Sure the dentist is a doctor, but their profession is dentistry. One of the things I hate about med school is how PC everyone tries to be...even though there are quite a few people that are honest, there are even more that try to be totally PC about every issue that comes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest me maniac Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 Lakers4Life, I have been accepted at UBC, but my hope is that I will be accepted by u of c from their waitlist. I had originally planned on commuting to Van on the weekends (I currently live about 3 hours away), but my older son (he's 7) was already having anxiety attacks about the separation (so was I, actually). Besides, by the time we maintained two residences in two different cities and added about $500 per month for travel, we really weren't saving any money. We have now decided, no matter where I go to school, it is better for us to stay together as a family unit. What school do you go to? Do the long distance commuters in your school only see their families on weekends? Do those students then miss out on all the social events that meds have? Curious to see how others have done it. me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest strider2004 Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 When a person walks into a hospital with chest pain, they want to see a cardiologist, not a pediatrician. When they've broken a hip, they want to see an orthopedic surgeon, not an ophthalmologist. Every 'doctor' has their own specialty and they should be treated as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lakers4life Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 Strider: Point taken that all specialists are referred to by their sub-speciality, but you have seen that Seinfeld where they take about the podiatrist not being a real doctor...same thing with chiros...can't aruge with Seinfeld! Me Maniac: I know a couple that did relocate the entire family but some are commuting [one guy from Hamilton, which is about 90mins from Toronto!]. As such, they do not attend any social events, probably also b.c they have a family waiting at home. MOst of these people are well liked though and do have a lot of friends, but they just don't join any school clubs or come out to class parties, etc. However, they are involved more with the academic side including being clerkship reps and stuff like that. I don't know how much they acutally miss in terms of the whole med school experience. But they seem pretty happy with it and some people plan on staying home even through clerkship. Happy Fathers day to me Maniac and all the other father's on this board...enjoy the day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jerika81 Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 Lakers4life- you committed the ultimate non-PC crime! Assuming me maniac is a male! Just jokes, but I'm pretty sure me maniac is a mother, not a father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lakers4life Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 Doh....you know what...I am totally guilty of that one...just the vibe I got, don't know why b.c there re more girls than guys in my class so odds are, she would be female if she were in meds anyways! Sorry about that...now had a seen a picture...lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest me maniac Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 Hey, Jerika81, You are correct. I is a mother (at least last time I looked I was). Lakers, BTW, how old are you?? From personal experience during undergrad, I don't feel like I missed out on the undergrad experience. I am just into more than bar-hopping (although I managed to do some of that as well! ). As a matter of fact, some of my friends did not enjoy their undergrad years, but I really wanted to get something out of it AND enjoy it at the same time. Life is too short to do something you don't like (especially since that was the reason for going back to school in the first place.) Don't know if it was intentional or not, but your comment seemed to suggest that just because people have a life (ie commitments) outside of med school, that they can't have a lot of friends or be popular in class. Just to let you know, we can be popular too (afterall, were still normal, well adjusted people)! OK a pix is worth a thousand words, right?...... I am about 4 ft 5 in. I weigh about 350lbs. I have flaming red hair and a missing tooth. But, of course, that may not bother you as much as my humpback or my cyclops eye in the middle of my forehead. Other than that, I am a normal, well adjusted person. So you didn't tell me what school you go to? me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lakers4life Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 Hey sorry about that me maniac, No acutally some of the coolest and most popular people in my class are older and often commute a lot. I was just saying that they tend not to go out to a lot of class events and socials, but not that they aren't popular or don't have many friends. In fact, a lot of our class elections [which are populatiry contests] are won by people who are older and live farther away. I didn't even run! We have a few mothers in the class [and fathers] and they add a lot to the discussions; instead of focusing just on the medicine they bring up other stuff about family life, etc. that you may not think of on your own. I am 23 and just finished up 2nd year at the UofT...I would also describe myself but I doubt that it could top your description, so as Homer S. says, 'can't win don't try'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UWOMED2005 Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Man, lakers4life. . . wait until you get to clerkship next september and find people from all the health professions, some of them working since before you were born, doing the things you're supposed to be the expert about better than you. Yeah, I've read through Dubin a bunch of times, and written a multiple choice test with a few EKGs on it. But stepping into the emerg department of the hospital I'm at for the summer last week, I must admit some of the nurses were reading them way better than I do. That's to be expected, doing that day in day out for 10 years. Same goes for X-ray techs with X-rays. Of course as I continue with my studies I hope that changes. . . it better, as both professionals, despite being correct in their analysis, had to ask an MD physician to read the EKG/Xray for final analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Glendyn Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Going to med school just means you become a physician, while a dentistry student is a dentist, but you both have the Dr. designation (neither is any more legit). In U.K. some physicians don't have an MD but rather a bachelor of Medicine, but are still physicians. Don't forget an MD is still considered an undergraduate degee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lakers4life Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 You mean and MBBS degree. Again, I was pointing out the difference between a doctor by title vs. by profession. You don't say I am going to my doctor to get my tooth pulled. You do say that I am going to my doctor to have my physical this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UWOMED2005 Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 No, you go to a PHYSICIAN to get your physical each year. And you go to a SURGEON to remove the mass the PHYSICIAN finds. Dentists, Chiropractors, Physicians, Surgeons (except in Britain where they're Mr.,) History Professors, Clinical Psychologists, Optometrists and John Ralston Saul are all doctors. But only those with an MD can become a physician or surgeon. Don't succumb to the language of the plebeian masses!! :b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MDbadly Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 Lakers4life, Off course, you wouldn't say i'm going to get my tooth pulled at the doctor's office but i'm going to my dentist. But what would you say when you called to book an appointment at the dentist's office or when the receptionist answers the phone. "Dr. Smith's office" and not dentist Smith's office, correct me if i'm wrong. Just as you would say, i'm going to see my chiropractor and not my doctor. What's with the hang-ups about by profession. Dentists are dentists, chiros are chiros by profession with their own limited scope of practice. They are not MDs and yes only MDs go to med school just like chiros go to chiro school and dentist goes to dental schools. Sorry for the overly simple and spelled-out response but I don't see the point about going on and on ..... about by profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cclau Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 Lakers4life -- nope, MD is considered an undergraduate degree in most universities even it's called "Doctor of Medicine"......Most schools put it under "undergraduate education" if you go visit their websites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lakers4life Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 Its called an undergrad degree b.c you can get into medical school without holding a degree. So, you cannot make it a graduate degree if there are people in the program that don't hold any undergrad degrees. Hardly anyone says they are going to see their physician; everyone says doctor by and large. Anyways, this is getting pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest marbledust Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 There was a poster on the student doctor network forums a while back who kept arguing that doctors should be the only people at the hospital allowed to wear scrubs because they were "doctors' clothing." This thread kind of reminds me of that :eek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest quebecboy Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 OMG Lakers4life! I think you're right! If I go to work in south america, I'll no longer be a doctor, I'll be a "médico"! :eek What shall I do? :rolleyes Quebecboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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