Guest baloobizoo Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Does UBC use the pass/fail system or the honours/pass/fail system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MedAnxiety Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I believe it's the H/P/F system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest physiology Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Yes, it is - but you also get percentages beside your grade. Think of it as no more As, Bs, Cs, and Ds, but rather 90% and up is an H, 60-89% is a P, and less than 60 is a F. But, the exact numerical definitions of H, P, and F vary from ckass to class, and even from course to course. Hs are generally reserved for those with marks in the top 10% in the class. Physio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FungManX Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Hey, I was wondering if those grades will later come back to haunt you (or not) when applying to residencies? or do residencies just make sure that you've passed everything? I sitll don't quite get how it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest adduction Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Yea I'd also like to know some more about this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BurnabyBeaver Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 i doesnt understand why get persentages and h/p/f. UBC webpage told reader that there no competitions between student. why also give persentage if school only pass fail sistem? ~BB~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jazz Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 The percentages are there for your own information only. Most students still want to know how they did other than they pass even though you can say that's all that really matters. There really is no competition among student unless you are gunning for honours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest baloobizoo Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 If percentages are there for "your own information only", does that mean no one else will ever see them? Sorry to dwell on this but I'm still a little confused! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ewon2003 Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Hi baloobizoo I believe that on the external transcript, there is only F/P/H, and no percentages, although I have not yet seen my own transcript yet. It's still good to see the percentage so that you know where you are weak and strong compared to the rest of the class, as class average is also provided on the transcript. As far as importance of 1st / 2nd year grades, I think other moderators from upper years mentioned have said that it doesn't count for much in residency app because there are some school that are strictly pass/fail, so there is no way for residency directors to compare grades of students from different schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BurnabyBeaver Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Hi ewon, you mentions moderators from upper years mention not important to get H's. I heard from many student that last years some 4th year man gave 1st year rude lecture on important of getting honors. Consequence is they get screwed residency getting matched. How sertain you that H not so important? I hopes you right, I sure that getting H in med scool is very stressing. ~BB~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chocolatechips Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 It is very very difficult to get Honours. As physiology said, it is reserved for the top 10% of the class. It is true that a 4th yr person came the my class and said a blur about getting honours....but I do not believe what he said was entirely true. 3rd and 4th year clerkship is the KEY in getting to a good residency. A good reference letter is worth 100s Honours!! Don't get to hung up on getting H in school. You will get so stressed that you won't even be able to enjoy medical school! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ewon2003 Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 There are other reasons why some people go for honours... for example there are scholarships in medicine for academic achievements, and if you are in ubc dental school, the faculty ranks all the students as well. To be accurate, I think honours is one standard deviation above the mean, rather than top 10% but I'll have to double check my orientation stuff to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smartcarlover Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Hi Burnaby Beaver, Please learn how to write english properly. I'm having a difficult time understanding you and it is really frustrating to read your comments. You seem to be inconsistent with your grammar. It seems as if you are doing this on purpose to mock immigrants who post on this board. Sorry, I will write this in a way that you will understand. Please read below for your translation: Pleeze learns hau to Rite english propirly. I have difficulting times understand you and it is really fraustrating to reads commints. You seem to be inconsistent with your grammaur. It sims as if you are doing this purpuse to muck immegrants who posting on this boards. Mocking immigrants is not funny. You should be banned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest not rex morgan Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Yes it is true that UBC offers scholarships for grades. They do rank us as well, they just don't ever tell us what the list looks like. I believe "the list" is for scholarship purposes. You do get percentages, which are more notable, I guess, in 1st/2nd year. Most of your marks are based on written exams, so your grades are sort of the most tangeable way of getting an idea of how you're doing. You do get graded on how you behave in PBL, but in my experience, those grades basically came down to how much the tutor liked or disliked you, rather than any validated objective scoring system. That being said, many people quickly realize that it is very hard to get an H, and in the big picture, 66% is pretty much the same as 89%, or as our class liked to remind each other of before exams, P=MD. In 3rd/4th year, you tend to pay less attention to percentages as you are graded on written exams as well as clinically. Clinically you will get H/P/P-/F, each equating to a certain percentage. You will never get a "high pass" or anything like that. A word of caution, 60% is a pass, but anything below 65% gets flagged by the promotions committee. UBC has a nasty habit of making you sign contracts promising you will do XYZ to pull your grades up. They then hold you to standards that you agree upon mutually (they tell you what they are and you agree b/c you have to). If you don't live up to the standards you signed on, they can further flag you, and even kick you out. (oh, and incidentally, you will hear about getting your file flagged...it literally happens, if you look at your file, you'll find little sticky tab flags on seemingly non-significant things like "late for dpas." They use this against you if you are in hot water...and it's convieniently packaged for them when they do). (incidentally, there are no green flags for the good things you do). To answer the transcript question, there are no percentages. I just double checked mine. To comment on fourth years claiming that you should fight tooth and nail for H's, I think that is good advice within context. Play nice, be respectful of each other and work hard if you are interested in a competitive residency, or you just take pride in doing exceedingly well. If you're not thinking about a competitive residency, and want to give yourself a break, don't worry about the H's. We had a competitive group in our class, and they took pride in quizzing each other, and outsmarting each other. Friendly competition, if you will. That being said, common resources did get stolen, but who knows who that was. We also had a great bunch that shared really valuable resources, so it all evened out in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TKP 123 Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Thanks for the input, not rex morgan. I just got a naive question which all of you who are currently in med can help me. Which specialties would you consider "competitive"? I know that dermatology is one of them. What about the mediocre and the least competitive specialties? Thanks a lot. TKP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scrubbed Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 TKP, Check out the tabel titled "Discipline Choices of Canadian Applicants 2005 Match First Iteration" from the CARMS 2005 report www.carms.ca/jsp/main.jsp...rt/re_2005 Similar tables are present for previous years as well. The most competitive specialites have the highest number or proportion of unmatched students from the first iteration. For example, Discipline, First Choice Discipline %, Total Choices, Offered Dermatology 15 1.1% 6 0.4% COMPETITIVE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest physiology Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Hello, Yes Ewon, you're right - you get honours when you're 1 SD above the mean or higher. BTW, in PBL, you can get a H, P, P-, or F. If you get a P- or F, you have to meet with some PBL committee. Generally - these grades come about because you have a nasty tutor. There are some out there, despite all the training they go through. These grades don't count for anything - as in, they do not factor into your percent grades at the end of the term. However, the evaluation forms are very useful. Most tutors take lots of time to comment on your professional behavior, participation, and preparation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest petiD Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 These tutors are generally grad students, right? Are they specialists in the field? can't wait to get out of the office (BAD summer job) and well.... back to school! ! Argh... couldn't keep the geek in me quiet. p;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TKP 123 Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Hello, What specialty would that be if one wants to specialize in cancer treatment? What specialty was an oncologist trained? Thanks, TKP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chocolatechips Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Hi TKP123: Check out CARMS website http://www.carms.ca There are many detailed descriptions on residency. I believe oncology is through internal medicine. You apply for residency in internal medicine (general residency for 3 yrs) then sub-specialize in oncology (for 2 yrs). However, for skin cancer, it is through dermatology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BurnabyBeaver Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I am immigrant smartcarlover. Why you be so rude? Do you like not immigrants yourself? What is problem? I not do nothing disrespect you yet insult me. I pray you not be rude to future patients. I adult therefore will forgive you for childish attitude but will not forget... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TKP 123 Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Thanks a lot, Chocolatechips. One more question, how about radiation oncology? Is it different from the oncology in internal medicine? Thanks a lot. TKP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest not rex morgan Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Rad Onc is a residency program itself. You can also treat cancer surgically, and would go into a surgical specialty if that was your interest. Gen surg mostly...they do breast ca, bowel ca, liver ca, pancreas ca...you get the point. ENT does the head and neck stuff (and gen surg does some too). Gyne does the pelvis. Urology does kidneys ureters, bladder. You get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest physiology Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Hello, Burnaby Beaver - I also got the impression you were trying to mock immigrants. However, from your other post in the Laval forum, "Allo, Je suis un long auditeur de temps mais utilisateur récent. Veuillez excuser mon newbieness A n'importe qui entendu parler n'importe qui de Vancouver Colombie Britanique entrant dans une école médicale française et combien d'un problème coûte lui si vous ne parlez pas ou n'écrivez pas en français que bon. Y a-t-il un leniancy en obtenant utilisé à la langue écrite et parlée?" Merci, ~BB~ You seem to write perfect French (complete with all the accents as well), and generally - when French people write in English, the grammar errors are somewhat different. However, I am not a specialist in ESL grammar by any means. So if this is the way you naturally write - then I apologize, but if not, stop wasting our time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cutieyellow Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Physiology, I'm sorry to disagree but that is definitely not perfect french. In fact, it's full of grammatical mistakes. Looks like a translation from altavista to me. CY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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