jojojaxon Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 anyone know the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxman Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Doctor of Dental Medicine = Doctor of Dental Surgery They are the same degree with a slightly different name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babytooth Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Actually, DMD means that you do your first 2 years with med students and one or two dentistry courses. DDS means you do all dentistry. I think you get more clinical practice with DDS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullMetalDS Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 it's true...mcgill dent currently does the first 14 school months with the med students and they switched from awarding DDS to DMD when they first implemented this change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxman Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Hey guys, I think that's a common misconception even for those in dental school. Look at UofA - they offer a DDS and have their first 2 years with the MD students. Uof Manitoba who offer a DMD, I am pretty sure, but not completely, have all 4 years of just dentistry. But the bottom line when you graduate is that, assuming successful completion of all the licensing exams - you have the same rights to practice being a DMD or a DDS. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr.drill Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Actually, DMD means that you do your first 2 years with med students and one or two dentistry courses. DDS means you do all dentistry. I think you get more clinical practice with DDS. Not true. DMD=DDS NO diff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullMetalDS Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 i think harvard actually started awarding the dmd degree and they did so when they pitched the dent students with the med students for the first few years...so that was the idea, to give dent students more of a medical foundation, and mcgill switched from dds to dmd with the same intention... but i guess according to laxman's examples, there is no longer a sweeping rule that says dds = more clinical teaching and dmd = more med curriculum... yes, the quality of dentists are, as far as anyone could tell, exactly the same between dds and dmd holders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr.drill Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 yes, the quality of dentists are, as far as anyone could tell, exactly the same between dds and dmd holders Are there reliable studies that investigate the issue? As far as who could tell? You? Bit of an odd statement there. Some schools are moving to DMD since DDS implies that graduates are surgeons, which is not really an accurate title for a general dentist. U of A merged dent with med a long time ago, yet they still award a DDS. It has nothing to do with the amount of med training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullMetalDS Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 studies shmudies, searching up well researched papers and peer reviewed articles everytime i want to state my opinion is simply too intense for me. from the ppl i've talked to the general consensus is that they are equally qualified, and that is also my belief...of course u are entitled to ur own. plz enlighten me if u can find some literature that suggests one is better than the other, whether it be pay/competence/rate of specialization etc another one of my opinions is that the dental degree is just a foundation and intro to the field of dentistry. wut u learn here isn't all going to be used in practice, and from ALL the dentists i've talked to (n is greater than 6 and that is statistically significant), there are many more skills to master after graduation. ur dental degree doesn't define ur ability as a dentist, it is how motivated the dentist is to keep searching for better techniques that reflects one's true competence and about the dds not necessarily having less med training, that is true and i came to the same conclusion in my previous post...not sure if you were just reiterating the point or if you thought i still believed otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmee Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 I've never heard of either being regarded as better than the other in any way. The only thing I heard by way of an explanation is that some schools have a strong and firm belief that dentistry is not just Dental Medicine but actually Dental "Surgery", in the sense that you're not just standing there talking to the patient and prescribing a drug, but you're actually "surgically" intervening to rectify the oral disease. So it's simply that the schools decide based on the vision that they have of dentistry. Everyone knows this is just an administrative thing, and I've never heard anything that even remotely implied that either of them gets you a better treatment when applying for residencies. I'm even surprised that people think it's worth asking about. You're still gonna be a dentist either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr.drill Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 studies shmudies, searching up well researched papers and peer reviewed articles everytime i want to state my opinion is simply too intense for me. from the ppl i've talked to the general consensus is that they are equally qualified, and that is also my belief...of course u are entitled to ur own. plz enlighten me if u can find some literature that suggests one is better than the other, whether it be pay/competence/rate of specialization etc another one of my opinions is that the dental degree is just a foundation and intro to the field of dentistry. wut u learn here isn't all going to be used in practice, and from ALL the dentists i've talked to (n is greater than 6 and that is statistically significant), there are many more skills to master after graduation. ur dental degree doesn't define ur ability as a dentist, it is how motivated the dentist is to keep searching for better techniques that reflects one's true competence and about the dds not necessarily having less med training, that is true and i came to the same conclusion in my previous post...not sure if you were just reiterating the point or if you thought i still believed otherwise Just commenting on your "as far as anyone could tell", which seems to imply that you sampled the entire population and are now reporting on their behalf. It's quite different than prefacing it with "in my own opinion". Did some research before becoming a dentist. Things like that catch my eye. Thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullMetalDS Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 guess i should take care not to leave out words here and there... 'as far as anyone THAT I KNOW could tell...' is closer to what i truly meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmee Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Are there reliable studies that investigate the issue? As far as who could tell? You? Bit of an odd statement there. Some schools are moving to DMD since DDS implies that graduates are surgeons, which is not really an accurate title for a general dentist. U of A merged dent with med a long time ago, yet they still award a DDS. It has nothing to do with the amount of med training. First of all, you don't really need to run studies to assess that. For one, the CDA deems both to be the same. Secondly and most importantly, faculty end up working in schools different from the schools where they got their education, as well as switch between schools, and if there was any difference in quality between DDS and DMD, they would have immediately raised concerns to the CDA. Remember we're not talking about medicine here where you're producing 800 physicians annually vs. 100 dentists. The dental profession is so small that you virtually don't need to run studies to substantiate the quality of education. A faculty switching from either system to the other would notice right away. The second thing, I'm not sure I agree with "dental surgeon" not being accurate. I think it's a more accurate title for a general dentist than DMD. A GP dentist maybe deals with hard tissue, but it's tissue nonetheless, and therefore whatever a dentist does - assuming it's not preventitive type of dentistry - is by the very definition of the word "surgical" intervention. I mean, dude, just look at the tools, how could that not be surgery. Just because teeth don't bleed doesn't mean that they're not being surgically altered. It kinda sucks actually that my first choice awards a DMD because I'm one who's all for the DDS, but again, it makes no difference from a practical sense. Another thing by the by, this whole idea of a dentist as a surgeon dates to way back to perhaps the 17th or 18th century, not sure, or perhaps even before, when Fauchard (sp?) published his book called Le Chirurgien Dentiste i.e. The Surgeon Dentist. So that concept of a dentist as a surgeon has been widely accepted for a pretty long time, and rightly so I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr.drill Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 First of all, you don't really need to run studies to assess that. For one, the CDA deems both to be the same. Secondly and most importantly, faculty end up working in schools different from the schools where they got their education, as well as switch between schools, and if there was any difference in quality between DDS and DMD, they would have immediately raised concerns to the CDA. Remember we're not talking about medicine here where you're producing 800 physicians annually vs. 100 dentists. The dental profession is so small that you virtually don't need to run studies to substantiate the quality of education. A faculty switching from either system to the other would notice right away. The second thing, I'm not sure I agree with "dental surgeon" not being accurate. I think it's a more accurate title for a general dentist than DMD. A GP dentist maybe deals with hard tissue, but it's tissue nonetheless, and therefore whatever a dentist does - assuming it's not preventitive type of dentistry - is by the very definition of the word "surgical" intervention. I mean, dude, just look at the tools, how could that not be surgery. Just because teeth don't bleed doesn't mean that they're not being surgically altered. It kinda sucks actually that my first choice awards a DMD because I'm one who's all for the DDS, but again, it makes no difference from a practical sense. Another thing by the by, this whole idea of a dentist as a surgeon dates to way back to perhaps the 17th or 18th century, not sure, or perhaps even before, when Fauchard (sp?) published his book called Le Chirurgien Dentiste i.e. The Surgeon Dentist. So that concept of a dentist as a surgeon has been widely accepted for a pretty long time, and rightly so I think. I think my hairdresser should be called a hair surgeon. I mean ... today she excised thousands of 2-3cm strands of keratinized cells from my head, just a few cms from my brain! You should see the tools she used. These huge sharp scissors, and this electric shaver with sharp and pointy blades. Just because my hair didn't bleed doesn't mean it's not being surgically altered. Yes, general dentists do surgical procedures such and extractions, implants, perio surgery etc. I don't think many dentists classify a simple MOD or an enameloplasty as surgery but hey, feel free to call it rocket science if it puts a smile on your face. The switch to DMD is to delineate between general dentists and oral maxillofacial surgeons. Go to the hospital and watch a Lefort1 being done by an oral surgeon and I have a feeling it will change your view of the little filling you'll be doing in your private practice. My perception of dentistry as a pre-dent, a dental student, and now a dentist changed bigtime. Maybe yours will too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avenir001 Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 I think my hairdresser should be called a hair surgeon. I mean ... today she excised thousands of 2-3cm strands of keratinized cells from my head, just a few cms from my brain! You should see the tools she used. These huge sharp scissors, and this electric shaver with sharp and pointy blades. Just because my hair didn't bleed doesn't mean it's not being surgically altered. Hahahahahahhaa...that's hilarious!! You made my day...thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmee Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 For one, I don't need to go to a hospital to see an oral surgery, I have family members here who are OMFS specialists. So trust me, you're really saying this to the wrong person. I don't know about calling your hairdresser a surgeon. That's really facetious. If you try to be a little more analytical - which you so claimed in one of your previous posts about having done research and the need to be accurate and all that - if you want to call your hairdresser a surgeon, that's up to you, but I hope you can see that any reasonable person would have a good chuckle at this naive oversimplification of yours.. your hairdresser hasn't had a medical training of any form, and doesn't in any way shape or form belong to the medical profession, and whatever he/she does isn't considered a medical treatment. Anyways, it seems from your early posts here that you're a bit too much, so if you don't accept that, I won't be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr.drill Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 For one, I don't need to go to a hospital to see an oral surgery, I have family members here who are OMFS specialists. So trust me, you're really saying this to the wrong person. I don't know about calling your hairdresser a surgeon. That's really facetious. If you try to be a little more analytical - which you so claimed in one of your previous posts about having done research and the need to be accurate and all that - if you want to call your hairdresser a surgeon, that's up to you, but I hope you can see that any reasonable person would have a good chuckle at this naive oversimplification of yours.. your hairdresser hasn't had a medical training of any form, and doesn't in any way shape or form belong to the medical profession, and whatever he/she does isn't considered a medical treatment. Anyways, it seems from your early posts here that you're a bit too much, so if you don't accept that, I won't be surprised. Wow. Crack a smile once in a while would ya? It's like you have a storm cloud over your head all the time. Best of luck in your application to dentistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullMetalDS Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 i don't want to analyze into the hairdresser analogy too much since it was simply a joke/critique of jmee's reasons why gp dentists are still surgeons...but to do his/her argument some justice, no one is likely to bleed significantly or get an infection after extraction of a hair (unless if those are some big burly hairs we're talkin about) and no one is likely to pay to get their teeth shaved down 2-3mm. they haven't taught this in d skoo yet, but i hardly think a set of teeth look hot when the pulp is exposed and infected... so while dr. drill made a funny with the haircutting thing, it shouldn't make jmee look absolutely ridiculous... getting down to the nitty gritties, dds is simply an appropriate title for a dentist because even a restoration falls under the category of surgery. i could back that up with the dictionary (yes i stupidly looked it up just to make this claim)...the omfs doesn't look to a thoracic surgeon and think that oral surgery is child's play and not real surgery. hah, i'm all paranoid now that dr. drill will attempt to pick apart my phrases and make me narrow things down every time i'm not crystal clear... i think i'll just leave it up to the poster to give me the benefit of the doubt from now on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr.drill Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 hah, i'm all paranoid now that dr. drill will attempt to pick apart my phrases and make me narrow things down every time i'm not crystal clear... i think i'll just leave it up to the poster to give me the benefit of the doubt from now on lol. Na. Best of luck with dent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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