Que dois-je faire?

[Doctor_Strangelove]

Bonjour tout le monde,

J'ai une question qui me ronge depuis quelques temps. Bref, j'ai appliqué aux années préparatoires en Médécine de McGill et UdeM. Malheureusement j'étais juste en dessous de la cote minimale pour l'entrevue à l'UoM et je n'ai pas été convoqué à l'entrevue de McGill non plus. À McGill j'ai choisi Microbiology&Immunology comme deuxième choix et Sciences Biomed à l'UdeM. Maintenant, avec la date limite du 1er Juin qui approche, je ne sait plus quoi faire. Personnellement, aller à l'univ en francais ou en anglais ne change rien pour moi, mais j'aimerais faire le choix qui me feras rentrer le plus rapidement en Medecine. Si je choisi McGill je vais devoir faire un BAC de 3ans + le MCAT pour pouvoir reappliquer à leur programme MDCM tandis qu'à l'UdeM il est possible d'appliquer après avoir terminé 12 credits universitaire. Je sais que l'on peut appliquer de McGill à UdeM mais j'ai entendu que l'UdeM ajoute 0.5 à la CRU de ses etudiants (en passant, y a t'il quelqun qui pourrait me dire si il y a bcp d'étudiant qui se font prendre après leurs 1ere ou 2ieme année d'université). Donc ma question c'est: devrais-je aller à McGill ou UdeM?

 

Désolé pour les fautes, sa fait assez longtemps que j'ai arreter d'écrire en francais

[zizany]

Pour rentrer à l'UdeM après un an ou 2 d'université, la CRU nécessaire est beaucoup plus élevée (=35,7) De la façon que ça fonctionne c'est que les crédits faits à l'université comptent en pourcentage : le nombre de crédits fait fois 2 et le reste est ta cote R du cégep. Comme la 2e session (session d'hiver) ne compte pas étant donné que l'inscription est pour le 15 janvier, le maximum que tes notes de l'université peuvent valoir est 30% (si tu fais 5 cours de 3 crédits chacuns) C'est à toi de savoir si ta cote R du cégep est capable de compenser pour le 70% restant afin de l'augmenter jusqu'à 35,7 (si ça ne change pas pour l'an prochain, parce que l'an dernier c'était 35,3 que ça prenait)

Par exemple, si quelqu'un a 33 de cote R au cegep et a fait 15 crédits à l'université, il aurait besoin d'une CRU de 42 pour qu'en moyenne ça lui fasse 35,7 de CRG (si mes calculs sont bons). Le bonus de 0,5 est donc grandement le bienvenue si tu veux entrer à l'Université de Montréal après seulement un an d'université. Mais si tu pense que peu importe les notes que tu obtiens tu ne pourras pas avoir 42 de CRU, il n'y a pas vraiment un avantage à aller à Montréal sauf pour rentrer après ta 2e année d'université ou tes notes d'université peuvent valoir jusqu'à 100% avec 2 cours d'été. D'un autre côté, je n'ai aucune idée de comment ça fonctionne pour McGill donc je peux pas vraiment te conseiller mais ce que je sais c'est que 35,7 de CRG c'est le minimum pour une entrevue et ensuite c'est même pas sûr que tu es admis donc c'est vraiment difficile de rentrer à l'udem sans avoir un bacc complet. En tout cas, bonne chance dans ta décision!

[Doctor_Strangelove]

Hehe, merci pour l'info Zizany. J'etais deja au courant du 2% par credit mais j'avais aucune idee a propos du 35.7 requis pour l'entrevue. Je sais que je peux avoir un tres bon CRU mais je dois avoue que meme avec un 4.3 de Cote Universitaire je passerais seulement au stade de l'entrevue. Donc il faudrait que j'applique apres mon deuxieme annee ou le calcul devient 30% Cegep et 70% Univ et la j'aurai de bonnes chances de me faire accepter. Si seulement McGill avait pas leur damne MCAT... je hais des examens dememe lol. Y a t-il du monde ici qui savent s-il y a bcp de gens qui se font prendre apres 2ieme annee de BAC a UdeM?

[pharmdude]

Salut Doctor_Strangelove,

J'étais dans ta situation il y a deux ans... J'avais aussi été accepté a McGill en microbio et immuno , mais j'ai décidé d'accepter une offre de l'UdeM en pharmacie. Personnellement, je te recommande d'aller à l'université de montréal, car tu pourra appliquer au cours de ton bac en MD. De plus, le programme de microbio et immuno à McGill est TRÈS COMPÉTITIF (j'ai plusieurs amis dans ce programme) et tu ne sera pas le seul à vouloir aller en médecine. Étant donné que les admission en md marchent avec la cote R, l'important c'est de se démarquer du reste du groupe.

 

À l'UdeM, le programme de sc.biomed est relativement continginté, donc tu auras droit à une petite bonification de ta cote R.

 

J'ai été accepté à Sherbrooke en md cette année, alors je crois que mon choix il y a deux ans était bien calculé.. Dans mon cas, je n'avais aucune préférence sur la langue d'études..

 

Si tu sens que tu pourras te démarquer sans problème de ta cohorte à McGill, then Go for it !!!

I hope it helped !!!

[Nima123]

I would definitely go for UdeM. McGill is extremely competitive because almost anybody in the sciences wants to go into Med. McGill does a great job lowering your marks and then brutally betraying you by taking students from less-competitive schools. Honestly, if I were to start over, I'd go to Bishop's or Concordia. Nobody cares which school you go to. All that matters is your GPA/CRU.

[Doctor_Strangelove]

Why is McGill like that lol? I've heard that backstab story over and over where students that deserve 4.0 GPA's get like max 3.5's. I know I can be on top academically because I already am in Cegep but I'm not so sure I wanna sacrifice all my time by doing so. Do any of you know if UdeM takes a lot of applicants from other universities?

 

By the way Pharmdude what was your R-Score in Cegep?

[AMmd]

I would definitely go for UdeM. McGill is extremely competitive because almost anybody in the sciences wants to go into Med. McGill does a great job lowering your marks and then brutally betraying you by taking students from less-competitive schools. Honestly, if I were to start over, I'd go to Bishop's or Concordia. Nobody cares which school you go to. All that matters is your GPA/CRU.

I disagree with you on that one... Bishops or concordia are not easier than McGill... I know ppl from all 3 schools and they all say that their program is the hardest... all schools try to keep the school average to a certain level... its a matter of preference and where you think you will fit in better...

 

Why is McGill like that lol? I've heard that backstab story over and over where students that deserve 4.0 GPA's get like max 3.5's. I know I can be on top academically because I already am in Cegep but I'm not so sure I wanna sacrifice all my time by doing so. Do any of you know if UdeM takes a lot of applicants from other universities?

 

By the way Pharmdude what was your R-Score in Cegep?

 

oh and how do you define somebody who deserves a 4.0 GPA.. that doesn’t make any sense... if the person got 100% on all their exams, than fine.. but to deserve a 4.0 GPA because they are hard-working or whatnot is just ridiculous...

[Doctor_Strangelove]

What I mean is that people that deserve higher grades are given lower grades simply because the system at McGill forces teachers to keep the class averages low. I'm not making this up... I know 2 McGill teachers that told me how McGill almost "harassed" them in order to make them lower their class averages even though they had marked everyone fair and square. On the other hand, I'm not saying that other universities don't do the same thing, but I doubt they do it to the same extent as McGill. In the end, my choice comes down to UdeM or McGill and I'll have to pick one very soon

[thomashkou]

I went both to McGill and UdeM, and I tend to prefer UdeM, simply because my mother tongue is french. I know that you can be fluent in both languages (I didn't have a big language problem at McGill), but there's also a mentality associated with the english school system that is very different in the french system. It was easier for me to relate to the people at UdeM, because they shared my culture... When it comes to choosing between McGill and UdeM, I would definitely choose the place where I'd be more comfortable, not the place where I could get a higher GPA. If you work hard, you can get these perfect grades wherever you go.

[Nima123]

I disagree with you on that one... Bishops or concordia are not easier than McGill... I know ppl from all 3 schools and they all say that their program is the hardest... all schools try to keep the school average to a certain level... its a matter of preference and where you think you will fit in better...

 

You might have heard things about other schools, but I have BEEN to other schools. It's very easy to understand why: when you take a course in science, the usual average is in the B's no matter where you take your course. In a super competitive school like McGill where everybody wants to get into med, people study really hard, so that B average at McGill may be equivalent to, say, an A- average in a school which is less competitive.

 

Anyways, that was my honest opinion for the person who asked. The fact remains, if you want to get into med school you have to be at the top of your class no matter where you are.

[CutieYellow]

Ok... to add my two cents. I have been a student at Concordia, at UdM, at Laval and now McGill. Planning to go to them all

 

I think that you need to go to the university that offers you the program that pleases you the most, and not the one where it'll offer you a better chance of attaining that quick route to medschool. Problem is, it might be your route to medschool, but it also is your life, and if you're miserable in one school, it might just be to your demise. I think both programs have their ups and downs, and both universities have their ups and downs. McGill does that grade curving, but guess what, so does UdM, at least in some of the more contingente programs (which Biomed is). When i was in pharmacy, a B was like an 85% in some classes. And guess what, there's med keeners in both programs.

 

I don't think that the idea of switching into med en cours de route is the best idea to grasp onto. It's doable for some, but it's so difficult, and most end up quite disappointed, with a quite crappy university experience. I think you should choose the university experience you wish to have, whether it be in english or french setting (and not to mention they are completely different environments trust me!) and enjoy your university life, and do your best in the process!

 

I did the MCATs twice, it's a boring, terrible exam, but we all survive it, and plus, wouldn't you end up doing it anyways ? To increase your chances in both universities ??

 

Ahhhh..i've overtalked, as usual.

[nowakom]

Sciences biomed est un parcours assez classique pr rentrer en med, il y a a chaque annee plrs apliquants de ce prog.

Par contre, en cours de bac, 1, la cote est elevee pr etre accpter en entrevue et 2 il y a tres peu de places en premed pr ces appliquants (genre moins de 5) donc tu as plus de chances apres avoir complete un bac (cela ne veut pas dire que tu devrais pas t'essayer en cours de bac quand meme)

Mais surtout, demarque toi aussi dans le autres trucs que tu fais, question d'avoir de quoi parler en entrevue.

[GypsyMagic]

I was actually in the same situation when going into university, having applied into the same two programs and having to choose between either. What made the difference for me was doing school in english. I also always wanted to decorate my room with a mcgill diploma. I think hoping to get into med after 1 or 2 years in a bachelors at udeM is a long shot and althouht trying is a good idea because you get used to applying you should not realistically count on getting in as your #1 plan. Doing an undergraduate in MIMM at Mcgilles is not that bad, its hard but doable plus since everyone has a high CRC coming i think there is some kind of bonus or something when it comes to calculating your CRU at UdeM. Speaking from experience, a lot of people get accepted into UdeM after MIMM at McGilles even if they dont get into med at Mcgilles. As for the MCAT, just do it. You never know what your grade might be, and with a high mcat (37+) your GPA dont matter that much to Mcgill as long as its over 3.5. (true story)

 

So....Mcgill FTW:)

[Doctor_Strangelove]

Heh soo many constructive posts... this forum is really great

Do any of you guys/gals know if UdeM's medschool takes lots of students with BACs from McGill? Because if they do, then I don't see why I shouldn't go to McGill, finish my BAC, do the MCAT and apply to both schools.

 

By the way Nima, are you persian?

[Nima123]

By the way Nima, are you persian?

 

Yeah. I probably have the most obvious username here.