TimHortons Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Lets say a 3rd year undergrad with 3.95 GPA have exceptional research (preparing/finishing up a paper) and extra-curricular activities (10+ yrs of volunteer, and significant other leadership/university club/international service experiences, what is the minimum score they need to get accepted? If a student doesn't meet the 9/9/9/N requirement, what are their chances? (i.e. mid 20 MCAT with 6 MCAT or something) I will probably get an exceptional reference letter as well and my essay seems to be great as well. So basically a great 3rd year applicant with low MCAT and low verbal being their only flaw (9-10 PS/ 6 VR/ 9-10 BS/ and Q-R writing) I am getting my scores back after the deadline and I want to find out my chances now. Does anyone have insight into this? Thanks so much guys! I really appreciate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micro Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Lets say a 3rd year undergrad with 3.95 GPA have exceptional research (preparing/finishing up a paper) and extra-curricular activities (10+ yrs of volunteer, and significant other leadership/university club/international service experiences, what is the minimum score they need to get accepted? If a student doesn't meet the 9/9/9/N requirement, what are their chances? (i.e. mid 20 MCAT with 6 MCAT or something) I will probably get an exceptional reference letter as well and my essay seems to be great as well. So basically a great 3rd year applicant with low MCAT and low verbal being their only flaw (9-10 PS/ 6 VR/ 9-10 BS/ and Q-R writing) I am getting my scores back after the deadline and I want to find out my chances now. Does anyone have insight into this? Thanks so much guys! I really appreciate it No one here can really know...and I'm no expert, but I suspect that as a 3rd year applicant, a flagged MCAT may be enough to sink you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benhc911 Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 I just grabbed this from the MCAT boards on this website, from the MCAT rewrite etc. sticky It is apparently the stats for u of t mcat of accepted students Minimum Median Maximum Verbal Reasoning 7 10 14 Physical Sciences 8 11 14 Biological Sciences 9 12 14 Writing Sample M Q T edit: this is apparently for 2007 just in case it matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimHortons Posted September 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 has anyone heard of applicants like this getting into medical school? What about chances in OTTAWA or McMASTER? I would think that there would be 0% chance for McMaster but what about Ottawa? Is it extremely difficult for even the top 3rd year student w/ 3.95 GPA to not get accepted? Thanks guys!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapz Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Chances of getting in in 3rd year with a flagged mcat is slim to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimHortons Posted September 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Chances of getting in in 3rd year with a flagged mcat is slim to none. Are you using your common sense here or did you hear that from someone at UT? just curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prion Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Are you using your common sense here or did you hear that from someone at UT? just curious At Mac, verbal is 32% of your evaluation. So think about that. A lot of HealthSci students would have around 3.95. You'd prolly have a good shot if they used last year's admission method tho. Ottawa almost rarely takes 3rd yr applicants. For UT you might have a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimHortons Posted September 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 At Mac, verbal is 32% of your evaluation. So think about that. A lot of HealthSci students would have around 3.95. You'd prolly have a good shot if they used last year's admission method tho. Ottawa almost rarely takes 3rd yr applicants. For UT you might have a shot. Is ur 3.95 weighted or just OMSAS? I know some 4th year applicant with your stats who didn't get in UT. Hey Prion, thanks for your reply. the 3.95 is NOT the weighted GPA, but the raw GPA including all the courses ive taken thus far. Weighted GPA will be closer to something like 3.97/3.98 I am feeling pretty positive that I got around 6 in verbal, as I really didn't perform well that day. Other than the writing section, I'm thinking 9 in Bio and 10 MAYBE 11 in Physical (I was averaging 14-15 in Physical btw...) I am currently writing/gathering all the data to submit for a publication and have extensive volunteer experience. Is that not enough to overcome the low verbal mark that i might get? I am hoping that I can somehow overcome the verbal mark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapz Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Well if you have a 6 in verbal, theres probably no chance. Look at the trends, the lowest anyone has ever been accepted into UofT from the past 3-4 years is a 7 in verbal. On their website, it even says if you have lower than a 7, you should really consider rewritting the mcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBP Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 I'm thinking no chance as well. Flagged mcat for a 3rd year applicant will most likely give the thought: rewrite, apply in your final year. It does not hurt to apply though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charmer08 Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 I just grabbed this from the MCAT boards on this website, from the MCAT rewrite etc. sticky It is apparently the stats for u of t mcat of accepted students Minimum Median Maximum Verbal Reasoning 7 10 14 Physical Sciences 8 11 14 Biological Sciences 9 12 14 Writing Sample M Q T edit: this is apparently for 2007 just in case it matters MCAT Statistics - 2009 Entering Class Minimum Median Maximum Verbal Reasoning 7 10 14 Physical Sciences 8 11 15 Biological Sciences 9 11 15 Writing Sample M Q T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Hey Prion, thanks for your reply. the 3.95 is I am feeling pretty positive that I got around 6 in verbal, as I really didn't perform well that day. Other than the writing section, I'm thinking 9 in Bio and 10 MAYBE 11 in Physical (I was averaging 14-15 in Physical btw...) Anyone who knows me would say that I'm the kind of guy who always believes that all things are possible, and I'm never one to shoot down a dream. Having said that, if you have a 6 on VR, that should automatically knock you out of the running. For now. If I was on an admissions committee, the first question I would ask is why hasn't this applicant had another go at the MCAT? Remember that your dream is alive and kicking: you have an excellent GPA. The only thing standing between you and your ultimate goal is a better MCAT result. Why not do some more prep work and retake the test? Odds are that you WILL do better and you will get into med school. All things considered, there are lots of people who would trade places with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mig174 Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 if you're a smart guy and that GPA is not from bird courses, you should retake the mcat and perform to your potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Hey Prion, thanks for your reply. the 3.95 is NOT the weighted GPA, but the raw GPA including all the courses ive taken thus far. Weighted GPA will be closer to something like 3.97/3.98 Since the OP is about UofT, you should be aware that if you are applying as a 3rd year, the wGPA calculation does not apply. UofT is using the wGPA (dropping 1 full course/year) only if you are applying starting from your 4th year . I agree with everybody else saying that with a 6 VR there is no chance in hell that you'll be getting an interview (personal opinion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinch Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Let me add something here. A 3.95 gpa (which is decent) and a mid 20s MCAT?!?! With a 6 on verbal. If that truly ends up being your score, no MCAT school will look at you (nor would almost any US school). Your GPA is also suspect. A 3.95 GPA with a mid 20s MCAT is flat out pathetic, and suggests bird courses galore. Man, grade inflation is out of control (and yes...even my high 3.98 GPA is based on grade inflation compared to even 10 years ago, but I took tough courses at a tough university at least and had a 40+ MCAT to back it up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neuronix Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 haha , you're douchbaggery strikes again. It is refreshing though, to see people with such levels of ignorance. I really, really, really believe that there is little correlation between MCAT scores and GPA. Besides, let's say a person majored in poli sci, was an outstanding student, but then realized he/she wanted medicine. Clearly the MCAT would be much more of a hurdle for him/her no? Get off your pedestal man. Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf1nch Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 http://www.premed101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35508 is a good introduction to his trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinch Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Neuronix, the mcat is the single biggest determinent of medical shool success (especially verbal reasoning), and is the reason McMaster decided to bring it in (after years of research). The two are correlated though...a simple look at the AAMC data shows that high MCATS are clustered with high GPAs. It makes sense, but the two do not correlate perfectly. Bird programs and bird courses can raise GPAs falsely. Few people have 3.95 with a 24 MCAT - except those taking bird programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star1234 Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Neuronix, the mcat is the single biggest determinent of medical shool success (especially verbal reasoning), and is the reason McMaster decided to bring it in (after years of research). The two are correlated though...a simple look at the AAMC data shows that high MCATS are clustered with high GPAs. It makes sense, but the two do not correlate perfectly. Bird programs and bird courses can raise GPAs falsely. Few people have 3.95 with a 24 MCAT - except those taking bird programs. I actually know a lot of really intelligent people in my program who had 3.9ish GPA's and low MCAT scores due to verbal. I'd like to see you try to argue that Biochem at McGill is a bird program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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