D.K. Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Here's the problem. Communism/socialism/liberalism/leftism/etc, in any form, doesn't work. That includes for healthcare. But allow me to be more specific. 1) When people don't pay for their healthcare, they start treating their bodies like ****, because they know they'll be able to get fixed for free. This overloads the system. If people had to pay to get fixed, maybe they wouldn't be so wreckless? This isn't fair to people who exercise and eat right, and don't have genetic defects. Let's let natural selection work for us. 2) When people get free healthcare, they abuse the system. Ouch, I scraped my knee, off to the doctor, cause it's free! If you had to pay, there would be a lot less of this. 3) Too many old people. These people contribute little to the economy, there is no reason, other than altruism, to support them for free. 4) Healthcare isn't a right. You want to know what your rights are? Go live in the jungle for a month, you'll learn your "rights" very quickly. Can't afford it? Too bad, you should have put some money in the bank instead of blowing it on that big screen TV or that house you couldn't afford. Natural selection, again. 5) Here's why privatization is sustainable. It doesn't cost taxpayers anything. There, problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebencer Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 You're totally right, the states has a private system and they have WAAAYYYYY less obesity. We are hurting people by providing public healthcare!!! Some one needs to stop this insanity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larva Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Sending everyone to live in the jungle is a great idea. How about you lead the way, and then we'll all catch up with you later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronjw Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Sending everyone to live in the jungle is a great idea. How about you lead the way, and then we'll all catch up with you later. +1 On a side note, this guy needs to be banned again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronjw Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I hope you end up with cancer tomorrow and we'll see just how much you want natural selection to rule the roost. Additionally, if you have a problem with socialism let me ask you this: can we have our money back that paid for you to go to school? School at ALL levels (unless private) are heavily subsudized so im expecting a big fat cheque from you soon Here's the problem. Communism/socialism/liberalism/leftism/etc, in any form, doesn't work. That includes for healthcare. But allow me to be more specific. 1) When people don't pay for their healthcare, they start treating their bodies like ****, because they know they'll be able to get fixed for free. This overloads the system. If people had to pay to get fixed, maybe they wouldn't be so wreckless? This isn't fair to people who exercise and eat right, and don't have genetic defects. Let's let natural selection work for us. 2) When people get free healthcare, they abuse the system. Ouch, I scraped my knee, off to the doctor, cause it's free! If you had to pay, there would be a lot less of this. 3) Too many old people. These people contribute little to the economy, there is no reason, other than altruism, to support them for free. 4) Healthcare isn't a right. You want to know what your rights are? Go live in the jungle for a month, you'll learn your "rights" very quickly. Can't afford it? Too bad, you should have put some money in the bank instead of blowing it on that big screen TV or that house you couldn't afford. Natural selection, again. 5) Here's why privatization is sustainable. It doesn't cost taxpayers anything. There, problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnb88 Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Not just for this thread, but for so many others too: EDIT: Many of those "old people" you refer to are the reason you are able to say your opinion right now. Have a little respect. And like someone else said, [sarcasm] yeah, sure, privitizations is awesome. I mean, the US has NO problems whatsoever [/sarcasm] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psychoswim Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I hope you end up with cancer tomorrow and we'll see just how much you want natural selection to rule the roost. Additionally, if you have a problem with socialism let me ask you this: can we have our money back that paid for you to go to school? School at ALL levels (unless private) are heavily subsudized so im expecting a big fat cheque from you soon And it's pretty obvious the money spent paying for OP's education was a big waste I guess some people really have nothing to do with their lives.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantaloons Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Interesting, from NYT published today: First Study of Its Kind Shows Benefits of Providing Medical Insurance to Poor This is a complex topic, for sure; there are many studies we'd have to quote in order to have a rational level-headed discussion. Oh, and D.K., try and make the tone and content of your posts less inflammatory. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preppy038 Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Sending everyone to live in the jungle is a great idea. How about you lead the way, and then we'll all catch up with you later. +2 Is that guy a troll? I'm a bit distressed by his statement concerning the elderly. Also, health care is a right in my opinion. Tell me how you feel when you have an unstable heart and u don't have money to pay for treatments. Not having health care as a right is like leaving a bystander to die when he just got hit by a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrogirl Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Additionally, if you have a problem with socialism let me ask you this: can we have our money back that paid for you to go to school? School at ALL levels (unless private) are heavily subsudized so im expecting a big fat cheque from you soon Not sure about other provinces, but even private schools get tax money in Alberta. So if you've gone to any school at all you've been a beneficiary of socialism. Or driven on a road, or called the police or fire department, or had a snowplow come down your street... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I used to think the OP was just an idiot. Now I'm pretty sure I can say he's a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumanmacbook Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Report button is on the top right above the username (it's the button with the exclamation mark on it). If enough people complain, I'm sure he'll be banned. In addition, I would recommend an IP ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preppy038 Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I used to think the OP was just an idiot. Now I'm pretty sure I can say he's a troll. +1. 10char Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psychoswim Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Report button is on the top right above the username (it's the button with the exclamation mark on it). If enough people complain, I'm sure he'll be banned. In addition, I would recommend an IP ban. He was banned before wasn't he? And then came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.K. Posted July 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 If you can't have an arguement without calling someone a troll, you aren't mature enough for that arguement. I see that the ratio of mature:immature people here is too low, so this might as well be the end of the topic. PS, i didn't feel the need to invest so much time into writing an essay with softer language that wouldn't "offend" people. It would be for the better of society if people were MORE offended. That way we might actually have some productive solutions to problems being suggested. PPS, banning me for my opinions of healthcare is the digital equivalent of murder-censorship. Nobody should get banned for what their write, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Stark Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 If you can't have an arguement without calling someone a troll, you aren't mature enough for that arguement. I see that the ratio of mature:immature people here is too low, so this might as well be the end of the topic. Agreed, though not for the reasons you state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward son Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 1) When people don't pay for their healthcare, they start treating their bodies like ****, because they know they'll be able to get fixed for free. This overloads the system. If people had to pay to get fixed, maybe they wouldn't be so wreckless? This isn't fair to people who exercise and eat right, and don't have genetic defects. Let's let natural selection work for us. 2) When people get free healthcare, they abuse the system. It's true! When I realized I was born in a country with universal health care I opted for 2 extra genetic defects. Take that system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdDave Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 ARGH anyone who dares to disagree with the way the Canadian health care system is run and wants to see it privatized must be an ignorant troll and should be banned. That's the Canadian way always has been. Free speech is for those American *******s. Although I wouldn't recommend leaving the elderly helpless, some of the points this guy makes are spot on. Also, privatization is something that WILL happen in Canada sooner or later to some degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnadee Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 ARGH anyone who dares to disagree with the way the Canadian health care system is run and wants to see it privatized must be an ignorant troll and should be banned. That's the Canadian way always has been. Free speech is for those American *******s. Although I wouldn't recommend leaving the elderly helpless, some of the points this guy makes are spot on. Also, privatization is something that WILL happen in Canada sooner or later to some degree. yes, though, it would be dumb to go to a total privatized system...we need to be able to strike a balance...and im not kidding when i think that those who are able to better pay off their treatment (the rich, or those above a certain income bracket) be made to pay for some of the healthcare costs...i think that treatments themselves should be clumped into different sets based on costs as well as persons in different income brackets...there should then be a matching process to determine if person from income bracket A can payoff for treatment from set B...then there maybe certain treatments such as cancer which, unfortunately, could run life-long and i believe that in such situations again, there must be a determination of how much a person can payoff without having to go on the street (and maintain the degree of comfortable lifestyle, given their unhealthy circumstance)..offcourse the tax payer should chip in but if the person is sitting on a gold chest, then theres something inefficient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnadee Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 i understand though, that to be able to achieve such individual level personalization of payment plans will need to involve a very high level of efficiency as obviously treatment is time-sensitive and any improvements or sub-privatization should in no way effect or increase the current wait-times or ability to see a physician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebencer Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I agree that public funding for healthcare is not sustainable, A geneticist from the Children's Hospital here told me that enzyme replacement therapy can cost about $750,000 per person (not sure if that was annually or not). My friends medication for leukaemia ran $1000 per week, which was way more than he and his wife could afford. So having taxes subsidize costs I think is important, however I also feel people should be held accountable for the stress they put on the system. I think cigarettes should be taxed more (yes even more than they are), I think fast food should be taxed more (oh no!) but I think that would be damn near impossible to legislate, I also think you could justifiably tax alcohol more. There are a ton of problems with every system, and we have a few pretty well known ones, like the huge reduction in medical emergencies on Christmas Day. DK makes a good point that people go to emergency about a lot of minor things. Perhaps people are worrying far too much and figure since they have already paid for healthcare they are entitled to it (and not because it is "free" although I'm sure some people actually think that), but I think it is also partly due to people not having access to non-emergency medical attention. On the other hand, if people had to pay for healthcare they also may stay home and cause a minor problem to escalate to something far more severe which would equate to greater costs. or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantaloons Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 banning me for my opinions of healthcare is the digital equivalent of murder-censorship. Nobody should get banned for what their write, period. Hi. We have official forum guidelines for posting here. They aren't meant for censorship. They exist to try and promote a useful forum where people can exchange information in a constructive way. You're free to debate topics and voice opinions; just put your megaphone down and post responsibly. Thanks. tl;dr We can ban you any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanics Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Total health-care expenditure: This was long before "Obama-care" was even conceived. What accounts for this disparity? A country with a superior private industry shouldn't be spending a dime, no? If health-care isn't a right, then do you also believe that education isn't a right and shouldn't be funded by the taxpayer? Same as road and infrastructure maintenance as well as regulatory bodies for the safety of the general public (food, drugs, infrastructure, etc.)? If you want to live in a lolbertarian society, you are free to move to Somalia or Mexico anytime. I wonder how prosperous those countries are in stark contrast to socialist countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanMaverick Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I actually do kind of agree re: statements about elder care. Anybody who has spent time in LTC facilities can attest to the terrible conditions and how many of the residents are simply "empty shells". When we think of the huge amounts of money sunk into providing this care, it raises some interesting questions. I don't have a proposed solution, and I'm certainly not advocating for the old Inuit Elder care where we ship em' off on an ice floe the second they can't participate in the hunt, but I really do think changes in the system are necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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