future_doc Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 What do far-fetched, preposterous, ludicrous, mean? There is no meaningful debate. I think it is time to close this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m30wc0w Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 As stupid as this sounds, I think that being average is, in many ways, a great quality. There's less of a distance between the patient and the doctor which, in certain situations, can be a blessing... such as when the patient is afraid or skeptical of the doctor. Of course, you could argue that no doctor is "average", given how hard it is to get into medical school, but it's about how you carry yourself. Even if you're the smartest man in the world, you could still act like a perfectly average dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 As stupid as this sounds, I think that being average is, in many ways, a great quality. Yes and for the general population too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axialpac Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 As stupid as this sounds, I think that being average is, in many ways, a great quality. There's less of a distance between the patient and the doctor which, in certain situations, can be a blessing... such as when the patient is afraid or skeptical of the doctor. Of course, you could argue that no doctor is "average", given how hard it is to get into medical school, but it's about how you carry yourself. Even if you're the smartest man in the world, you could still act like a perfectly average dude. I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Medigeek, I have a feeling you live in some sort of bubble. You don't know anything about medicine and what doctors actually do. The "average" doctor I believe works ~60hrs a week. I'll give you an example of my father, he starts at 9am, finishes work at 7-8pm and by the time he gets home it's 7:30-8:30pm ... repeat for the entire week, and I mean the entire 7 days. He works roughly almost ~65 hours a week, 360 days of the year. Whatever money he makes he doesn't have time to enjoy it. So if you think you're gonna become a doctor, and you're gonna amass a fortune in your bank, I can tell you that you're very wrong. Starting off you'll have financial problems (that debt you used to pay off med school) and unless you're going to end up like my dad's friend whose not married, lives in a one bed room apartment, barely furnished, spends ~$2000 in monthly expenses and puts the rest of his money in the bank then maybe you'll have a small fortune ... If all you're after is the money, you'll be miserable working those 10-11hrs everyday and if you're on call it will just be as horrible. You don't know what it's like to work that much in one day unless you lived it. You'll have dozens, even hundreds of books that you'll have to read through to keep up with medicine (like my dad he has suitcases and cardboard boxes filled with medical books). The money WON'T be worth it if you don’t enjoy what you do. Yes there’s that stability and security that medicine can offer you but the income is only “guaranteed” if you put the time, and see enough patients that is. +1 10char Although this is slightly extreme, you can definitely make time to enjoy the finances you have. Just not as often as most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchEnemy Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 And you have a 100% accurate biography of warren buffet? And giving money to charity doesnt mean anything.. casinos promote "immoral" behaviour in many places and yet give huge money to charity. It's often a reputation buyer. You should look at multi-millionaires and many business owners. Though of course we always believe what we see on the surface right.... Please stay on topic, Medigreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpatient Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Please stay on topic, Medigreed. I see what you did there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mig174 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 ugh, I hope you don't make it to medschool, medigeek. This profession doesn't need any more sociopaths. If you're in it solely for the money, there are many ways to do so without going through 10 years of training after undergrad. You can choose to be a parasite and work in the financial industry. In other industries, you can climb towards executive positions within that time (added bonus: no debt, experience and a sane work week). In the last ten years, you could have invested in real estate and made a killing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I don't think you got my point, would you get a "job" for free? If the answer is no, your primary goal is making money. If the answer is yes, you're a troll. Your logic if any escapes me. Who is the troll? The readership knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Medigeek, I have a feeling you live in some sort of bubble. You don't know anything about medicine and what doctors actually do. The "average" doctor I believe works ~60hrs a week. I'll give you an example of my father, he starts at 9am, finishes work at 7-8pm and by the time he gets home it's 7:30-8:30pm ... repeat for the entire week, and I mean the entire 7 days. He works roughly almost ~65 hours a week, 360 days of the year. Whatever money he makes he doesn't have time to enjoy it. So if you think you're gonna become a doctor, and you're gonna amass a fortune in your bank, I can tell you that you're very wrong. Starting off you'll have financial problems (that debt you used to pay off med school) and unless you're going to end up like my dad's friend whose not married, lives in a one bed room apartment, barely furnished, spends ~$2000 in monthly expenses and puts the rest of his money in the bank then maybe you'll have a small fortune ... If all you're after is the money, you'll be miserable working those 10-11hrs everyday and if you're on call it will just be as horrible. You don't know what it's like to work that much in one day unless you lived it. You'll have dozens, even hundreds of books that you'll have to read through to keep up with medicine (like my dad he has suitcases and cardboard boxes filled with medical books). The money WON'T be worth it if you don’t enjoy what you do. Yes there’s that stability and security that medicine can offer you but the income is only “guaranteed” if you put the time, and see enough patients that is. I'm usually in school for that much time per week lol, I know what the schedule is like very easily. As for medicine, I have more than enough family members in medicine, I know what it's like. And it sounds like you don't know much about medicine if you assume the average hours worked means anything at all when the variance between specialties is HUGE. One of my relatives is a family doctor and drives a ferrari, he works ~45 hours a week. Another is a surgeon and works 70 hours a week. The difference is huge between what you do exactly. Medical school debt in canada isn't that big of a deal, and my parents are paying off everything anyway, so I won't have debt. Also, if someone's broke making that much money, he's a gigantic financial idiot. Simple as that. And to address your question about my motive, I probably have a MUCH bigger interest in the medical sciences than any other pre-med on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 +1 10char Although this is slightly extreme, you can definitely make time to enjoy the finances you have. Just not as often as most lol at least being a doctor you do what you like and make more money than others... vs. working 50 hours a week for 50k/year and working a bit of overtime so you can tip 20s to strippers at a downtown strip club. ugh, I hope you don't make it to medschool, medigeek. This profession doesn't need any more sociopaths. If you're in it solely for the money, there are many ways to do so without going through 10 years of training after undergrad. You can choose to be a parasite and work in the financial industry. In other industries, you can climb towards executive positions within that time (added bonus: no debt, experience and a sane work week). In the last ten years, you could have invested in real estate and made a killing. you're living in a dream world, a world where 0.001% of the population actually live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 ^ :eek: ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<abstract> Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I think saw medigeek on Fox News.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Our posts on this forum reflect who and what we are. Our posts can stand alone and speak for themselves. It is simple to determine those members who contribute to this community and those who don't. medigeek's posts reflect his values, his contributions and what he represents. Same for me and all of us. We are each responsible and accountable for our posts notwithstanding we are anonymous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchEnemy Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 And to address your question about my motive, I probably have a MUCH bigger interest in the medical sciences than any other pre-med on here. How about you share some of this "BIG INTEREST" by contributing to the scientific community through the publishing of some papers then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markov79 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 this thread is full of win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<abstract> Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Its bi-winning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurepediatric Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'm usually in school for that much time per week lol, I know what the schedule is like very easily.As for medicine, I have more than enough family members in medicine, I know what it's like. And it sounds like you don't know much about medicine if you assume the average hours worked means anything at all when the variance between specialties is HUGE. One of my relatives is a family doctor and drives a ferrari, he works ~45 hours a week. Another is a surgeon and works 70 hours a week. The difference is huge between what you do exactly. Medical school debt in canada isn't that big of a deal, and my parents are paying off everything anyway, so I won't have debt. Also, if someone's broke making that much money, he's a gigantic financial idiot. Simple as that. And to address your question about my motive, I probably have a MUCH bigger interest in the medical sciences than any other pre-med on here. amysthetdoc gave a pretty insightful account of her dad... you have no immediate family members who are in medicine and your view could be very well different from how it would be if your father or mother were doctor.... I say that b/c I've met a girl who's dad is a doctor and sister is a studying in medicine and her opinion was pretty in line with what amysthetdoc said whereas you sound like a little child who jus watched a fantasy movie about what it's like to be a doctor or have relatives who are.... sounds like you are obssessed with the idea of becoming a doctor lol at least being a doctor you do what you like and make more money than others... vs. working 50 hours a week for 50k/year and working a bit of overtime so you can tip 20s to strippers at a downtown strip club. you're living in a dream world, a world where 0.001% of the population actually live in. Once again, you're always making it seem like it must be this either or option like if you don't become a doctor you will become someone who's working 50 hrs/week to make 50k... which is not the worst possible senario and you could be offending a lot of people... anyways I'm not going to try to go to into this b/c you mentioned you were Persian and maybe your view has to do something with culture (not a bad thing) but I'm not Persian and my culture is not close to it so I can't understand where you're coming from PS do you live in Richmond Hill? You kind of implied it before, if you do I may be able to tell who you are lol... you don't have to answer that obviously, I'd understand if you don't want anyone to know who you are in person at this point... no offence it's just that you've created a lot of opposition against yourself on this thread I think saw medigeek on Fox News.... LOL what? Too bad muse blocked medigeek, he could've commented on this lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronjw Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 If most people stopped replying to him he'd have nothing to spout off about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<abstract> Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 If most people stopped replying to him he'd have nothing to spout off about I agree that is why I just start making random comments when I see a thread going in this direction. The topic was about Life Sci. at UofT, how did it come to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronjw Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I agree that is why I just start making random comments when I see a thread going in this direction. The topic was about Life Sci. at UofT' date=' how did it come to this?[/quote'] if you notice, there's a trend of this in threads where he is involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 C’mon guys, give him a break and try to follow his line of reasoning in developing his arguments, and leave him alone. For ease of reference, I have tried to include them below. Enough said. Let's move on and try to help out the OP. so you can tip 20s to strippers at a downtown strip club. you're living in a dream world I have more than enough family members in medicine, I know what it's like. if someone's broke making that much money, he's a gigantic financial idiot. Simple as that. And to address your question about my motive, I probably have a MUCH bigger interest in the medical sciences than any other pre-med on here. giving money to charity doesnt mean anything.. casinos promote "immoral" behaviour in many places and yet give huge money to charity. It's often a reputation buyer. You should look at multi-millionaires and many business owners. Though of course we always believe what we see on the surface right.... lol take a trip to vegas... This wasnt about charity anyway, I was saying how a large number of business owners do plenty of unethical things/immoral things to get to where they want. And this forum is the only place where pre meds/med students don't state money is a primary factor for them. Beyond that a lot of people are prestige driven, especially by their families. Most people going into med don't even have a comprehensive idea of medicine, therefore any "passion" cannot even be there. No, don't want to be in any other career. A lot of everyday society people are quite unintelligent As it stands, any position that makes more than doctors is way too hard to get and your odds are (realistically) much much more slim than landing a ROAD speciality. Well many successful people figured out this whole notion of nihilism and supplemented their work with immoral actions as well as cheating to get to where they are.......This overlaps with social darwinism. My point was that the point of life is to enjoy it doing whatever you can/want. And because life is meaningless at the basic level, (with humans just being 1 of sooo many species on this planet which only represents next to nothing in the grand scheme of things) goal of life is to enjoy only. By definition, an average person does not attend university. I don't see why that's hard to grasp. And looking back, veryy few people had the capabilities to go to university and didn't (from my high school). I knew a couple very bright guys who didn't care about school... but now they're doing stuff in business and making money. Point? Almost all smart people get somewhere. being average is perfect when you are average. but the average person does not even attend university, let alone aspire to become a doctor. so when someone who's in the top percentile of intelligence has to settle for average achievements because of a useless bad choice.... that's bad. and you only live one life where nothing really matters a lot, might as well do what you want + make good money to be able to do most of what you want. now guys... there's no need to have a "global rush" to aware high school students everywhere about how it works. So someone who was 100% dead-set on becoming a doctor, will be happy working in a lab making 30k/year? I doubt it... Every bio TA I've seen so far is constantly pissed off, so that shows something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I am currently an IB high school student and just received my mid term grades which supposedly gets sent to ouac for universities to look at. They are terrible as hell mainly cause I screwed up my mid terms crazy. My top six for universities are needed and uof t require calculus and chemistry I believe for life sci. I got a 73 in chemistry, 77 in biology, 73 in advance functions, 89 in french, 90 in economics and english should be around 80 - 85. Do you think I have a shot at getting into u of t despite what they say about mid 80s requirements? .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolelol Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 At least give the man the benefit of the doubt... I mean just because all he talks about is money and prestige it doesn't mean that he doesn't have other motives For all we know he could spend his weekends nursing injured kittens back to health lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 There you go. And for the record, my math skills as said before are not great. My IQ was scored at 90 - so I am not quite up to being average. While people like deeman partied and throughly enjoyed undergrad and attained high grades, this was impossible for me. Being of barely average intelligence, I had to work very hard always for my grades. In my case at least, my success is a combo of 10% intelligence and 90% perseverence and a strong work ethic day and night for years which gave me my straight As that led to medicine. I still don't know why the sky is blue, why the grass is green while others do; however, I enjoy and appreciate the blue sky and green grass and that is what is important to us average or below average people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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