token Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 I withdrew from a course WITHOUT academic penalty. It simply shows up on my transcript with a 'W' next to it. On OMSAS I can only choose a letter grade, fail, pass or incomplete. Incomplete ends up being entered as a failed course when really it shouldn't. When I called they said they'd rectify if once they examine your transcript, but I don't want to risk having a .4 lower GPA one year if they don't end up changing it. Suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDay Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 i had a withdrawn course one year, where it did not effect my transcript. I just didn't enter it into OMSAS. I don't know if I was supposed to...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
token Posted October 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Thanks, judging from past posts here it seems like yea, if it doesn't affect your grades you don't have to include it. And if OMSAS thinks it should be included they'll do it anyway. So I'm going to leave it off. /stressball relieved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderpig Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 I actually had a couple of withdrawn courses, and I left them off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaVen777 Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Oh great question. I left mine off too, because my grades for that year would have been 3.0 instead of 3.9! HUGE difference!!! I was sick, and the dean and my doctor both approved my withdrawal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBP Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 What if it's a late withdrawal (after drop date), but the late withdrawal does NOT affect your GPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 What if it's a late withdrawal (after drop date), but the late withdrawal does NOT affect your GPA. If there's no recorded grade on your transcript (i.e. it doesn't affect your GPA), don't enter it on OMSAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skosh Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 What if it's a late withdrawal (after drop date), but the late withdrawal does NOT affect your GPA. Oh how did you manage to do that? Sorry for appearing to be meddlesome. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Oh how did you manage to do that? Sorry for appearing to be meddlesome. lol There almost always is an appeal process where you can ask to "bend the rules" as it were. I have been the student rep on such committees in the past. Check your student regulation - it is amazing how often people don't actually read those (not a criticism, just I find it odd. There is some good stuff to know in there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skosh Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 There almost always is an appeal process where you can ask to "bend the rules" as it were. I have been the student rep on such committees in the past. Check your student regulation - it is amazing how often people don't actually read those (not a criticism, just I find it odd. There is some good stuff to know in there). Ah I see. Thanks, rmorelan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKelman Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I do know however, that a withdrawl from Athabasca U, so that is the WF is treated as a fail. Gpa = 0. I had a course do that to me. Talk about gpa downer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBP Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I do know however, that a withdrawl from Athabasca U, so that is the WF is treated as a fail. Gpa = 0.I had a course do that to me. Talk about gpa downer! Did it have academic penalty at Athabasca? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBP Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Ah I see. Thanks, rmorelan Actually, with UofT they allow you to have a few Late Withdrawals w/out academic penalty in your university career. Not much of an appeal, you just do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochi1543 Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 I do know however, that a withdrawl from Athabasca U, so that is the WF is treated as a fail. Gpa = 0.I had a course do that to me. Talk about gpa downer! Uh, NO, I've withdrawn from 4 AU courses over the last 2.5 years and NEVER got a WF - only W. Maybe you waited too long to withdraw. If you withdraw before you're 3/4 through with the class, then you won't get a WF. If you wait till the last month of your 4- or 6-month period to start doing work, then don't do well, and decide you want to withdraw - that'll get you a WF for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKelman Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Uh, NO, I've withdrawn from 4 AU courses over the last 2.5 years and NEVER got a WF - only W. Maybe you waited too long to withdraw. If you withdraw before you're 3/4 through with the class, then you won't get a WF. If you wait till the last month of your 4- or 6-month period to start doing work, then don't do well, and decide you want to withdraw - that'll get you a WF for sure. Athabasca U does not give you academic penalty for a withdrawal. Jochi is correct, in that if you withdraw before 3/4 of the term you get a W. If you withdraw after 3/4 and before the last day of your course (usually after 90 days) you receive a WF. However, this WF comes with no academic penalty at Atha U. This is what happened to me (WF). OMSAS was the only system to consider the WF as a fail, gpa=0. Sask, U of C, U of A, Mcgill and the US application system (AMCAS) all consider it a legitimate withdrawal (no academic penalty). I don’t agree with the OMSAS grading assessment. But what can you do about it? The office does not seem to budge on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Athabasca U does not give you academic penalty for a withdrawal.Jochi is correct, in that if you withdraw before 3/4 of the term you get a W. If you withdraw after 3/4 and before the last day of your course (usually after 90 days) you receive a WF. However, this WF comes with no academic penalty at Atha U. This is what happened to me (WF). OMSAS was the only system to consider the WF as a fail, gpa=0. Sask, U of C, U of A, Mcgill and the US application system (AMCAS) all consider it a legitimate withdrawal (no academic penalty). I don’t agree with the OMSAS grading assessment. But what can you do about it? The office does not seem to budge on this topic. Pehaps if you begged to Athabasca they would change it. It doesn't matter to their grade assesment policies as it doesn't count either way. They don't seem to intend it to be a failure, and you don't have much to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neuro1986 Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Hello. From what I have read, OMSAS requires that incompletes and withdrawals that appear on your transcripts are entered as a failed grade (0 GPA). My overall GPA (according to my university) is a 3.88. I have to incompletes (8 credits) and 1 WF (4 credits). My university DOES NOT consider these in my weighted gpa. Without their inclusion, I am a very competitive candidate (and I have excelled in all of the other relevant areas). If I enter these 12 credits as F'S (0 GPA) I have a 3.45. Consequently, I am no longer a competitive candidate and will probably not even make it past the minimum cut off. Has anyone else dealt with this? If so, what was your approach? Did you identify your incompletes or WFs as failed grades? Is there any way to appeal this or to get around it? I am specifically interested in McMaster and Ottawa. Does anyone know how these schools will treat incompletes and WFs? Will they use OMSAS's calculation or will they perform their own calculation (will they consider my GPA as 3.88 or 3.45?) Thanks for clarifying...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jubejube Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 I had one course withdrawal in my second year (it was a full year course, so it showed up as two course withdrawals, or 2 W's on my transcript). I wanted to indicate that I had taken the course (because I needed my second year to count as a full-time year - my first year was terrible and last year I was part time) but I obviously didn't want it to count as a 0, thereby affecting my GPA. Not knowing what to do, I ended up entering it as a pass, however I sent an additional letter to OMSAS explaining that I had dropped the course for medical reasons late in the year (I offered to provide a doctors note, though they never took me up on it), and asking them to consider it as a full time year. Because I'm scattered, I never actually checked back with them to see if this was ok - but I got into Western where they require two full time years, so it must have worked. Anyways, I don't know if this is too anecdotal to be helpful, but all I'm really trying to say is that there is some leniency in the system. Also, if you fill out the forms as best you can, and explain any confusions, they seem accepting of that too. I hope this helps some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryann Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Your information really has helped me too...thanks. Is there a spot on the application for special consideration or do you just enclose a letter stating your situation.How detailed does the letter have to be Any help is very much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jubejube Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Some schools have a spot for any additional information, or things you want them to consider. Western didn't however, so I just mailed (or maybe faxed, I can't remember) and additional letter to OMSAS and asked them to pass it on to the schools with my application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryann Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Thanks so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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