Residency overseas

[jack25]

Hello everybody,

I would like to ask a question.

I know a person who did his residency in Germany and his fellowship in US. and he is now practicing in Canada

Can radiologists who did their residency in another country practice in Canada? which countries are accepted? would please guide me how I can get more information.

Regards,

[Mourning Cloak]

I don't know specifically about radiology, but in general to practice in Canada you need to pass the MCCEE, MCCQE I and II or USMLEs, plus the relevant Royal College specialty exam.

 

To be eligible to write this exam, you need to meet several criteria.

 

There are some jurisdictions that the Royal College has assessed and deemed as having met RCPSC criteria. For the graduates of these particular jurisdictions, the College will assess their training to determine the extent to which they have successfully met and completed the Royal College training requirements. When the training is deemed comparable and acceptable, the IMGs are ruled eligible to take the Royal College certification examination. Success at the certification examination will lead to Royal College certification.

 

I think it would probably be a good idea to stay within these jurisdictions, since the alternative is:

 

Individual Competency Assessment for IMGs

In September 2005 it was decided that the RCPSC would convert from the assessment of international postgraduate medical education (PGME) systems to a new system centered on the individual competency assessment of international medical graduates (IMGs) who intend to practice in Canada. The Royal College Credentials Committee developed a set of criteria for the assessment of IMGs individual training. These criteria were adopted by the RCPSC Council in September 2006. They include:

 

completion of an undergraduate medical degree deemed acceptable by the Foundation for Advancement of International Medical Education and Research (FAIMER);

 

specialist certification in the country of origin with a minimum of three years of training;

 

must undergo a comprehensive screening evaluation conducted through the auspices of the provincial regulatory authority including oral and written examinations, an assessment of the applicant’s practice activities and a CanMEDS competency review to determine the level of training;

 

entering at PGY 2 level, clinical trainees must be classified and registered as residents with the office of postgraduate medical education, must complete at least two years in an accredited Canadian residency program with at least one year at a senior residency level (PGY 3–5);

 

a passing grade on one of three examinations—MCEE, MCCQEI and II or USMLE parts I to III; and

proficiency in either English or French

[jack25]

Your post is very helpful. I passed USMLE exams already. but I don't know how hard the Royal College exam is.

Is there any website about this exam?

[Mourning Cloak]

Royal College info on radiology Royal College exams

http://rcpsc.medical.org/information/?specialty=117&submit=Select

[Lactic Folly]

I've been told it's harder than the ABR.

[jack25]

It is a lot of info. It isn't an easy process. the website didn't specify which countries or universities are approved.

Did anybody have his residency overseas and now working in Canada? in any specialty. I would appreciate any post.

[jack25]

After a long search, it looks to me that Germany residency isn't approved.

Here is the link which shows the countries which are approved. http://rcpsc.medical.org/residency/certification/img_page2_e.php

It isn't just for Radiology but for all specialties.

But this link didn't mention USA residency. does it mean that U.S residency isn't approved?

[Mourning Cloak]

No, the US isn't on the list because if you do residency training in the US you aren't considered an IMG per se by the Royal College for exam purposes.

 

In general (not explicitly, but in general) your US residency would be accepted at face value and you would be permitted to sit the Royal College specialty exam. (Note that - again, in general - you MUST successfully pass the Royal College exams to qualify for licensure in most provinces).

 

The process for applying to write the exams is the same whether you did residency in the US or Canada. You will probably also need the MCCEE and MCCQEs.

 

And now a warning:

Passing the Royal College doesn't get you license to practice. This is granted on a case-by-case basis by the province in question. Some Canadians who trained in the US have reported problems (BIG problems, actually) getting licensure for what I'd assume were "desirable" areas. You may want to read about this a little further.

[jack25]

You are right. I contacted the Royal college. I got the same answer.

What if I pass the British exams after doing my residency in Germany and got certified. do you think that would help?

[Mourning Cloak]

Too complicated a question! That's one to ask the Royal College

[jack25]

I will.

Hope I got a positive answer.

[Madz25]

After a long search, it looks to me that Germany residency isn't approved.

Here is the link which shows the countries which are approved. http://rcpsc.medical.org/residency/certification/img_page2_e.php

It isn't just for Radiology but for all specialties.

But this link didn't mention USA residency. does it mean that U.S residency isn't approved?

 

generally US residencies are accepted in canada. however, there are exceptions. one being psyhiatry - US pscyhiatry residency is only 4 years and it is 5 years in canada.

[physiology]

There's a huge spectrum in terms of how foreign physicians are trained in Canada.

 

I know of physicians who have been recruited from other countries and are given licenses right away (Finland, Germany, etc) . Usually they are in the academic field and have something exceptional to offer.

 

I was talking to a British (London trained) physician during my LMCC part II, and she was already practicing. She just had to write / take the LMCC as a formality.

[leviathan]

generally US residencies are accepted in canada. however, there are exceptions. one being psyhiatry - US pscyhiatry residency is only 4 years and it is 5 years in canada.

It's not just psychiatry...anaesthesiology, general internal medicine, emergency medicine, and many other specialties are longer in Canada and bar Americans from transferring over. They usually have to make up the difference in training by going back to residency for fellowship or something else. I know of an EM physician who was originally not allowed to practice in Canada. In the US it's only 3 years vs. 5 in Canada, which is still absurd because you've got family doctors with only 2 years of training in FAMILY medicine running ERs in Canada, but his 3 dedicated emerg years were not adequate.

[Madz25]

It's not just psychiatry...anaesthesiology, general internal medicine, emergency medicine, and many other specialties are longer in Canada and bar Americans from transferring over. They usually have to make up the difference in training by going back to residency for fellowship or something else. I know of an EM physician who was originally not allowed to practice in Canada. In the US it's only 3 years vs. 5 in Canada, which is still absurd because you've got family doctors with only 2 years of training in FAMILY medicine running ERs in Canada, but his 3 dedicated emerg years were not adequate.

 

 

i know...i said there are exceptions (with an 's') and "one being psychiatry"

[jack25]

I got a reply from the Royal college.

they said, by passing British exams you won't exempt from the requirements. the residency should be done in one of these countries.