michael333 Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I'm actually a lurker, but I decided to post because I have an off-topic question. I'm pretty slim and sort of athletic when it comes to sports. However after years of doing nothing through undergrad, I've completely lost all endurance I ever had. I get tired very quickly now. Therefore I'm beginning to jumprope and run on a treadmill. 1. How long would it take for me to lose any endurance I build up? 2. Wouldn't at least some of it stay even after I stop running and jumproping? 3. Could one possibly gain weight after discontinuing running and jumproping (supposedly because they'll end up not decreasing quantity in their diet after the discontinuation?) 4. I don't understand how some people seem to always have awesome endurance and other people have to work for it. (Genetics is not the answer, there is something else; I don't know what) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minion Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I'm actually a lurker, but I decided to post because I have an off-topic question. I'm pretty slim and sort of athletic when it comes to sports. However after years of doing nothing through undergrad, I've completely lost all endurance I ever had. I get tired very quickly now. Therefore I'm beginning to jumprope and run on a treadmill. 1. How long would it take for me to lose any endurance I build up? 2 to 4 weeks generally 2. Wouldn't at least some of it stay even after I stop running and jumproping? It depends. If you continue to stay active ie play a sport, it might stay. If you sit on a couch and eat chips, it will go. 3. Could one possibly gain weight after discontinuing running and jumproping (supposedly because they'll end up not decreasing quantity in their diet after the discontinuation?) Yes, because if you dont burn off those calories then your body will have a postive surplus of calories and you will gain weight. 4. I don't understand how some people seem to always have awesome endurance and other people have to work for it. (Genetics is not the answer, there is something else; I don't know what) Those people do something to stay active, for example if they play soccer, it is pretty much like doing a interval workout. I stopped running for a while and I am still better runner than most of my friends because I tend to play a lot of sports. Also, if you are going to run, ditch the treadmill. Running outside and running on a treadmill are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael333 Posted March 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 2 to 4 weeks generally Where did you get this figure? Those people do something to stay active, for example if they play soccer, it is pretty much like doing a interval workout. I stopped running for a while and I am still better runner than most of my friends because I tend to play a lot of sports. No I mean there are people who just seem to naturally have much better endurance anytime, anyday than others. I'm sure you have to have met someone of this sort Also, if you are going to run, ditch the treadmill. Running outside and running on a treadmill are two different things. I hatee the treadmill. However I don't go outside because of the snow, ice and generally cold weather. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind_synergy Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I'm actually a lurker, but I decided to post because I have an off-topic question. I'm pretty slim and sort of athletic when it comes to sports. However after years of doing nothing through undergrad, I've completely lost all endurance I ever had. I get tired very quickly now. Therefore I'm beginning to jumprope and run on a treadmill. 1. How long would it take for me to lose any endurance I build up? 2. Wouldn't at least some of it stay even after I stop running and jumproping? 3. Could one possibly gain weight after discontinuing running and jumproping (supposedly because they'll end up not decreasing quantity in their diet after the discontinuation?) 4. I don't understand how some people seem to always have awesome endurance and other people have to work for it. (Genetics is not the answer, there is something else; I don't know what) 1. Speaking from experience, it's different between individuals. You really shouldn't worry about this. It's like asking, "If I eat five donuts a day how fast will I get fat?" You see, most people probably wouldn't ask that question unless they were planning to eat five donuts a day. Are you planning to skip lots of workouts? And if you're asking about the effect of ones you skipped in the past, who the **** cares? What's done is done. Get back in shape. 2. Tough question. I don't know. But there are documented cases of fit individuals getting very badly out of shape and then returning to their previous level of fitness faster than you would expect. 3. It's well known that lack of exercise will slow your metabolic rate; like the previous poster said, this will generally lead to weight gain (assuming you don't adjust your diet to compensate). I personally lose weight when I don't exercise because I simply don't get as hungry and eat as much (coupled with a naturally fast metabolism). 4. Genetics, age, and lifestyle (diet, day-to-day activity levels, exercise frequency, etc...) are the three biggest factors in an individual's fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebouque Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Treadmills are all right, just put some inclination. Of course running for real is better but sometimes it's just not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind_synergy Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Treadmills are all right, just put some inclination. Of course running for real is better but sometimes it's just not possible. I'd argue that it depends upon what you're running on. People that run 10 km a day on hard concrete or asphalt are morons. *Runs and hides from the biomechanics people that are going to rebuke me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Genetics, age, eating habits are a big part as has been mentioned, genetics is actually the biggest factor I would say...also, logically, the better shape you are in the longer it will take to become "out of shape" Go for a run for 20 min everyday, do some push ups/pull ups/sit ups...you could be done in less than an hour (which anyone can have time for) and it's sure as hell better than nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstar Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 I've been doing high intensity interval training (HIIT) for about six months now and I've been getting actual endurance gains when I go for a normal run at a pace of about 25 minutes for 5km. I've been doing HIIT indoors during the winter and I've been setting my intervals at 14 MPH (treadmills are in MPH at my gym) and a 6 MPH jog for my resting minute. Several papers, especially by Tabata, have shown that HIIT is more effective than a low-intensity cardio regimen at increasing your resting metabolic rate, huge VO2 max gains and fatty acid oxidation. It's definitely gotten rid of the beer gut I gained from 2nd to 4th year of university. Edit: Also, you spend a lot less time at the gym. Don't worry what the calorie counter says. You'll be drained after a 12 minute session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Some people are just great natural runners, it has genetic roots. its that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minion Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 I got 2 to 4 weeks to lose endurance gains from runnersworld so dont take my word for it. blind_synergy I run 7k barefoot on hard concrete Guess I am a moron then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Pixie* Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Try this: 1. do 20 fast burpees (the most horrible exercise invented by humankind) 2. run once around the track 3. jump up the stairs repeat everything 3-5 times You will most likely want to throw up by the beginning of the 2d round:D That's okay though - your endurance improves every single time you feel that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mm88 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 We should begin a thread just for "workouts that make you puke". Here's one of my personal "fave" 3x800m - 400m recovery 2x600m - 200m recovery 1x400m - 200m recovery 1x200m - 100m recovery 1x100m - 50m recovery I'm usually done by the third 800m...then realize there's still many many more meters to go. This one builds lactic acid threshold for middle distance runners. I guess if you want to go longer, you can do 1000m or mile repeats . Oh mile repeats.... usually 4xmile = *barf* for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylamonkey Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 The original workout from hell, except that he did it for fun: 400m fast, 200m slow jog repeat 90 times Emil Zapotek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mm88 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 kyla, I don't think that qualifies as a workout. I would call it suicide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hking03 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 we call this one Cindy 5 pull ups 10 pushups 15 squats x5 rounds for time. feels good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whodey Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 What I like to do is, sprint down the street from one telephone/power pole to the next, walk to the next one, sprint, walk, sprint, and on and on sprint full speed! and use the walk to recover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Pixie* Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 I am gonna try this! We should begin a thread just for "workouts that make you puke". Here's one of my personal "fave" 3x800m - 400m recovery 2x600m - 200m recovery 1x400m - 200m recovery 1x200m - 100m recovery 1x100m - 50m recovery I'm usually done by the third 800m...then realize there's still many many more meters to go. This one builds lactic acid threshold for middle distance runners. I guess if you want to go longer, you can do 1000m or mile repeats . Oh mile repeats.... usually 4xmile = *barf* for me I think I'll pass on this one though... (what does it end up being...like 4 hours long???) The original workout from hell, except that he did it for fun: 400m fast, 200m slow jog repeat 90 times Emil Zapotek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larrivee Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 I reached ALL the way over to the coffee table to pick up the remote this morning, AND proceeded to change the channel around 12 times... needless to say, I am feeling pretty fit this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind_synergy Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Do any of you intersperse your cardio workouts with flexibility and/or strength training? This is my get-back-in-workout-shape workout: Day 1 - 6-8x incline pushups with handles (incline to increase weight, feet up on surface like a chair or table, and handles to increase range of motion) 6-8x chinups, full range of motion (NO 1/2-chins or 3/4-chins!) 6-8x military presses 6-8x barbell rows 6-8x dips, weighted vest 6-8x lateral raises 1 minute break 2x repeat above Day 2 - 6-8x deadlifts 8-10x jack-knives 6-8x squats 25 crunches 1-2 minute wall sits 2-3 minute planks 1 minute break 2x repeat above Day 3 - P90X Yoga workout: http://www.megavideo.com/?d=7A4YJFTO Day 4 - Rest Day 5- Start cycle over The key is finding the correct weights so that by the last set your hitting failure within the chosen rep range. The cardiovascular fatigue prevents you from using heavy weights and therefore reduces risk of injury. I like explode through positive movements and control negative movements (try a push up with this rhythm; 4 seconds down, 0.5 up). Also, I make a concerted effort to maintain correct form. When I'm doing these routines I try to eat around 3000 calories and get in 150 or so grams of protein a day. Should be able to finish each workout under 25 minutes, except for the yoga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael333 Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Wow, this thread really got derailed, haha. It bewilders me as to why people will go through these insane workout routines--such as p90x or other daily hardcore multiple-hour routines--while knowing that they will simply not be able to keep doing them for any significantly long period (5, 10 years?). And therefore when they stop, those beautiful toned muscles they have will deform and lose all aesthetic. In addition, not only will they lose the look, but more importantly the endurance and strength they've built up will also fade. Why not do short workout routines that you can commit to daily/weekly for the next 10 or 20 years and be guaranteed a higher fitness and attractive aesthetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hking03 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Wow, this thread really got derailed, haha. It bewilders me as to why people will go through these insane workout routines--such as p90x or other daily hardcore multiple-hour routines--while knowing that they will simply not be able to keep doing them for any significantly long period (5, 10 years?). And therefore when they stop, those beautiful toned muscles they have will deform and lose all aesthetic. In addition, not only will they lose the look, but more importantly the endurance and strength they've built up will also fade. Why not do short workout routines that you can commit to daily/weekly for the next 10 or 20 years and be guaranteed a higher fitness and attractive aesthetic. very true. i think the philosophy on working out is changing from the "i need to do be at the gym for 2 hours doing cardio then lifting weights to specifically focus on my back and shoulders today, then tomorrow i'll do my legs and arms" to a "i want to get 30-60 minutes of solid physical activity in that challenges me and gives me functional fitness"... at least that's how i feel. part of the problem is not eating healthy... if you can eat healthy and embrace a diet that is balanced and can be maintained over the course of several years you'll see that working out for hours on end is unecessary and you can maintain a healthy level of fitness for years on end. plus some people just have better genes than others and respond differently to different levels of physical activity. but i agree- you need to be real about what you can handle over a long period of time, maybe have short spurts where you increase your load or modify your diet short term to speed up your results and shift back to a maintenance workout/diet when you've hit your goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osteon Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Yeah, in terms of bone biomechanics, impact forces are not a concern. In fact, the active forces produced by your muscles are higher. Also, more impact = more bone remodelling = stronger bone, which is a good thing. I'd argue that it depends upon what you're running on. People that run 10 km a day on hard concrete or asphalt are morons. *Runs and hides from the biomechanics people that are going to rebuke me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatonekid Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 1. do 20 fast burpees (the most horrible exercise invented by humankind) I like burpees. They're not (totally) horrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I like burpees. They're not (totally) horrible! Dude, are you a girl? The past few posts I've read of yours for some reason give me the feeling that you're a girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garret9 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Yes doing super extreme 2 hour workouts is more effort then needed... But "resistance" in both traditional and modern sense has more long term benefits (except for endurance in traditional resistance workouts) for the things you're talking about. Working out "beautiful toned muscles" will raise your basal metabolism a lot more then going on runs. For the most part cardio only raises your metabolism during the activity. Also there was a recent report (I believe in the CMAJ or UBCmed... but don't quote me) talking about how resitance training in the very elderly showed huge improvements in life and health (even after they had stop the training). My story gone short: Was hockey player. Quit hockey for a while and ate unhealthy. Became overweight in highschool. Changed diet and begun working out (more traditional style resistant workouts with running) and lost the weight. Got busy with music, school and girls so couldnt' do the 4-5 2 hour workouts. Started getting out of shape again. Now I do "whole body workouts." It's like weights and cardio combined (similar to what hking03 was talking about earlier). I do 30 mins maybe twice or three times a week and my diet is decent but no health freak for sure. I'm in best shape ever of my life and even if I'm out for a month it takes 2 weeks tops for me to get back in at full motor. Moral of both: High intense full body will trump 2 hours of weights or long ridiculous cardio for all measures of health except for stamina with the cardio. This is not to knocked down running. I love running in the summer (aka when I have more time available). Wow, this thread really got derailed, haha. It bewilders me as to why people will go through these insane workout routines--such as p90x or other daily hardcore multiple-hour routines--while knowing that they will simply not be able to keep doing them for any significantly long period (5, 10 years?). And therefore when they stop, those beautiful toned muscles they have will deform and lose all aesthetic. In addition, not only will they lose the look, but more importantly the endurance and strength they've built up will also fade. Why not do short workout routines that you can commit to daily/weekly for the next 10 or 20 years and be guaranteed a higher fitness and attractive aesthetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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