IamIDP Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 I just got this email from YorkU. I find it disgusting that the president is stooping this low to request 50,000+ students to vote for him, this just gives all the other applicants a disadvantage. What do you guys think? Should he have done that? Dear _____, Vote today for President Mamdouh Shoukri as one of RBC's Top 25 Canadian Immigrants. We need your support! President and Vice Chancellor Mamdouh Shoukri is one of 75 final nominees for the fifth annual RBC Top 25 Canadian Immigrant Awards. This honour identifies and celebrates the inspriring stories and achievements of Canadian immgrants from all walks of life. Dr. Shoukri, who was recently appointed to the Order of Ontario by Lieutenant Governor David Onley, is recognized for his visionary leadership that has brought both McMaster University and York University to international prominence. He has led York into an era of international expansion and environmental sustainability and has advanced engineering and life sciences research and education. "The RBC Top 25 Canadian Immigrant awards recognize individuals from diverse communities who enrich Canada and make it a better place to live. We encourage all Canadians to support and vote for these extraordinary individuals who are making a difference in their country and communities," said Paul Sy, director, Multicultural Markets, RBC. The deadline for voting is May 13, 2013. Please consider voting for Dr. Shoukri online at http://canadianimmigrant.ca/canadas-top-25-immigrants . It will only take a few minutes of your time. Thank you for considering this request and your continued commitment to York University! Sincerely, Janet K. Morrison, Ph.D. Vice-Provost Students Division of Students York University Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anfield Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 That is indeed low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futureGP Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 it's the Vice-Provost who's doing it tho no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronjw Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 this stuff happens all the time. Even in the business world, many employers will send out emails to their employees requesting their participation in "best employer" surverys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurepediatric Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Yeah I found this a bit strange too, especially since a lot of people probably have no idea how he's helped York specifically, nor does it say in the email (other than bringing York to 'international prominence' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trojjanhorse Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 a lot of the things we do is not recognized or well known. Having others recognize you for it and the need for "labels" is not necessary. This need only promotes the thought that you're doing good to be recognized. I suppose universities and institutions want this label to promote their name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGITWONTFI Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 York is internationally known? Guess we learn something new everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trojjanhorse Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 York is internationally known? Guess we learn something new everyday. hahaha jokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourning Cloak Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 If you don't like it, vote for his competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebox Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 If you don't like it, vote for his competition. This is what I did. And when I saw Steve Nash on the list I died laughing. Then I voted for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauru Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Maybe he's just another self-absorbed careerist who will shamelessly do whatever he can to pad his resume... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Television Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 How is this low? He's leveraging his position to help move up in the world. This is so common it's not even worth talking about. Also, if anything, it's not low because he's asking people who know something about him (or should). He's saying "You know I've done well at York, now show your support." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lactic Folly Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Maybe this ties into the awkwardness many people feel when asking for references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Television Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Maybe this ties into the awkwardness many people feel when asking for references. I thought of that as well. We should therefore think that LORs (leveraging relationships) are immoral. Only logical conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anfield Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 What has he really done to York? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lactic Folly Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 I thought of that as well. We should therefore think that LORs (leveraging relationships) are immoral. Only logical conclusion. Maybe the difference is that students do not feel a personal relationship has been established prior to the request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Television Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Maybe the difference is that students do not feel a personal relationship has been established prior to the request. A personal realtionship on that level is impossible. He can't get to know every student. However, through his actions and the way he does his job, he can build his rapport with the students. Why do you think politicians get reelected? They don't have 1 on 1 relationships, but they do establish some relations with teh general population in other ways. It's the same thing here, and it shouldn't be discredited. This isn't to immediately say he's donig an amazing job. I personally don't know anything about him because I don't go to York. The point is that his method is not "low". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lactic Folly Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 The merits of his performance are beside the point when it comes to the *perception* of students - judging by the posts in this thread, this rubbed a number of students the wrong way. I am merely speculating as to the factors leading to this perception - it's fairly safe to infer that those objecting do not feel much rapport, nor are they familiar with how he performs his job. I wonder about the effectiveness of the regular emails, video "fireside chats", and town hall meetings that I've seen other administrators initiate towards this end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnao2 Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 There may be in fact many events where the President has shown up to give talks, discussions, etc showing his dedication to the university. Many students end up ignoring these email invitations feeling they are a waste of time to attend (which is a valid reason). Second, instead of focusing on what the president *has* done, at least know that York has not been driven into the ground because of something bad that *was* done. There has not been any major bad events that have affected York over the past years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 I just voted for worthy candidates, but not him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixFlare500 Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 I was going to vote but they left me off the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 You need not vote for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Television Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 The merits of his performance are beside the point when it comes to the *perception* of students - judging by the posts in this thread, this rubbed a number of students the wrong way. I am merely speculating as to the factors leading to this perception - it's fairly safe to infer that those objecting do not feel much rapport, nor are they familiar with how he performs his job. I wonder about the effectiveness of the regular emails, video "fireside chats", and town hall meetings that I've seen other administrators initiate towards this end. Well then I don't really give a damn in that case. People's "perceptions" are a dime a dozen. It doesn't have any merit, and regardless, people who would perceive this as "low" are acting in an illogical manner. The other poster also made a good point about the fact that he tries to reach out to the York community but apparently people ignore the emails and attempts. If it's the same students who have this skewed perception of the president, then that speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest padag Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Somewhat appalled at the notion that asking support from potential supporters using means within the rules of the competition is considered low. I don't necessarily agree with what the guy does, but it's fully reasonable to ask for what he's asking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charmer08 Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Maybe the difference is that students do not feel a personal relationship has been established prior to the request. He actually gives students lots of opportunities where they can speak to him and provide him with their opinions but it is the student that choose not to take advantage of these opportunities. I voted for him! I've got to speak to him once and he was very open when it came to issues concerning york... I even spoke to him about the possible medschool at york but unfortunately, due to the strike in 2008, that might not be a possibility anymore, atleast for now (they shifted their focus to the new school of engineering instead). If he hadn't sent the e-mail, people who would like to vote for him wouldn't have even known! And what about all those students that harass you in the hallway to vote for them for their silly executive positions. At least he sent a polite e-mail and he clearly is "requesting".... he said "Thank you for considering this request and your continued commitment to York University!"... Therefore, if you don't want to vote, then DON'T. I can't believe someone even went through the trouble to make this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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