rmorelan Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Interesting - I was also unaware. I ranked Ottawa psych very highly in my year - though that being said, it was two years ago (good god). not in that problem obviously so not fully aware of all the details - I know programs can change relatively rapidly so it could be newer stuff. whatever it is I know it will be addressed. I have been told you simply have to have a psych program to run a medical school to start with so that is a pretty powerful motivator. I am always more interested in the programs response to this sort of thing almost more than the actual eval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkmedic Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Very interesting results - despite all the talk about shifting relative competitiveness of things there are 4 remaining internal medicine spots and only a single surgery spot in the 2nd round. As usual a bit less than 1/2 of the spots are in Quebec. Even psychiatry seemed competitive this year with very few spots leftover... Also interesting to see that FM Ottawa and Calgary have - yet again - several spots leftover! Both are large centres/cities ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathvvv Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 To all the unmatched applicants I know things are tough right now, but many have come before you in a similar position and many will come after you. But the one thing you guys will have in common- is that it will all work out. Some of you may take a bit longer, some of you may choose an entirely different specialty or goto a city you never thought you wanted before, but it will be for the best I know. I didn't match 2 years ago, but I persevered and matched to one of the most competitive family medicine programs in the country. So if I can do it, so can you. Feel free to reach out if any of you want to talk or need advice (my response may not be prompt given the hectic life of residency) Hang in there, there is light at the end of the tunnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wel Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Hi I am an IMG. unfortunately, I am not matched in R1. I am well trained in a surgical speciality outside Canada My question to you please advise me which program I can choose in R2 with highest chance to be matched whatever the program whatever the city I am really frustrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Hi I am an IMG. unfortunately, I am not matched in R1. I am well trained in a surgical speciality outside Canada My question to you please advise me which program I can choose in R2 with highest chance to be matched whatever the program whatever the city I am really frustrated Probably one of the lab specialties. They always seem to have extra spots. Honestly, I'd just apply as broadly as I could and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrouchoMarx Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Probably one of the lab specialties. They always seem to have extra spots. Honestly, I'd just apply as broadly as I could and hope for the best. Dont apply to path. Job market is shit. Family med is your best bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wel Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Dont apply to path. Job market is shit. Family med is your best bet what do you think about medical biochemistery and microbiology job market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrouchoMarx Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 what do you think about medical biochemistery and microbiology job market All bad. Lab is controlled by govt so they limit hiring and make any available jobs undesirable. Family med gives you freedom and options. Same money after tax too and only two years, not five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechToMD Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 I politely disagree with Cain. I would apply for everything because as an IMG you don't have that many options. You can always try switching into FM later if you don't like it. Also, it's worth noting that Medical Biochemistry also gives you the added bonus of a GIM license, you could do Medical Biochemistry 5 years and choose to be a general internist at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Dont apply to path. Job market is shit. Family med is your best bet unless you have some sort of particular desire for a field other than family medicine it would seem illogical to target something else - the vast number of remaining spots are in that area, and they are often in places other people may not want to work (eventually you can move away though regardless of the return on service arrangement). The other residency spots are longer as mentioned. It is hard to prepare a package that is good for two different things - particularly quickly. Best bet is to apply as widely as possible with the best possible application for family medicine. This again assumes that you have interest in that field - ie the next 30 years of your life won't be horrible to you because you are in that field and that you somehow cannot prepare for more than just one field in the next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenpeters2 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 IMG, did not match. Applied to Family Medicine. Recent graduate. 2 Canadian electives and letter of references from Canadian attendings. Have to strategize for Round 2. Such is Life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrouchoMarx Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 I politely disagree with Cain. I would apply for everything because as an IMG you don't have that many options. You can always try switching into FM later if you don't like it. Also, it's worth noting that Medical Biochemistry also gives you the added bonus of a GIM license, you could do Medical Biochemistry 5 years and choose to be a general internist at the end. with GIM moving to five years i dont know how thatll pan out for the med biochem people. but if wel wants to apply to path knowing that there are great jobs available in new brunswick that make 125k post tax with 2 weeks vacation then go right ahead. if wel is already a pathologist from wherever i dont know why hes bothering to do a residency here. plenty of hospitals will take on anyone who claims to be a pathologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wel Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 with GIM moving to five years i dont know how thatll pan out for the med biochem people. but if wel wants to apply to path knowing that there are great jobs available in new brunswick that make 125k post tax with 2 weeks vacation then go right ahead. if wel is already a pathologist from wherever i dont know why hes bothering to do a residency here. plenty of hospitals will take on anyone who claims to be a pathologist. Thank you for being interest in my post In fact, I have trained in a surgery subspecialty outside Cnanada. to work as a physician in Canada I need any residency wherever the place being also low scored in NAC OSCE sure I will apply for FM but what else as I need to apply as broad as I can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wel Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Any residency even in the Northen Pole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrouchoMarx Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Any residency even in the Northen Pole just apply FM. path will not be a good choice. bad job market and being in a surg subspec youll hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wel Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 just apply FM. path will not be a good choice. bad job market and being in a surg subspec youll hate it. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organomegaly Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Very interesting results - despite all the talk about shifting relative competitiveness of things there are 4 remaining internal medicine spots and only a single surgery spot in the 2nd round. As usual a bit less than 1/2 of the spots are in Quebec. 4 remaining internal spots doesn't seem like a lot? did it get more competitive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 4 remaining internal spots doesn't seem like a lot? did it get more competitive? no it doesn't - I mean really with surgery and internal almost completely gone in this game of musical chairs all that seems to be left is family (knowing some spots were reduced). all preliminary - it will be interesting to go over the final stats when they appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 The grapevine says that 1.5 times the number of applicants this year than last (i.e. 1000 applicants to the major centers) -GP oh gezzz - that is vaguely insane if true. Internal isn't some small specialty where you expect wild fluctuations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a7x Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 oh gezzz - that is vaguely insane if true. Internal isn't some small specialty where you expect wild fluctuations. How much of this is people going for EM, Anesthesia etc. and wanting to back up with something other than FM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbapenemase1 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 I know the MUN class had more students this year. Are we feeling the effect of that plus the continued effect of the decreased residency positions in Ontario last year? I'm not sure what got less competitive, it seemed like a tight year for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wel Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 so as IMG no need to apply for those programs in R2 This year was pretty intense, that's for sure. I know the two spots mentioned at Ottawa (Derm and Uro) are both IMG spots that have been classically unmatched and CMGs have filled in the second round. Ottawa's class was less family than usual this year which shows in our match percentages, but we did get a lot of competitive spots (3 plastics, 3 derms, 2 PMR, 5 ophtho, 5 emerge, even a cardiac surg). I just feel for my classmates who didn't match but are incredible applicants, the swiss cheese phenomenon was harsh this year. -GP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clover_236 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 What are the unmatched rates (estimated at this point) for round one at most schools compared to last year? UBC is around 5% (based on their webpage), which sounds pretty normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organomegaly Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 The grapevine says that 1.5 times the number of applicants this year than last (i.e. 1000 applicants to the major centers) -GP That is terrifying. I'm applying to internal and was always somewhat re-assured that it wasn't a very competitive field....le sigh what can we do. i wonder if part of it is with less job prospects in surgical specialties there is more interest in internal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralk Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 I know the MUN class had more students this year. Are we feeling the effect of that plus the continued effect of the decreased residency positions in Ontario last year? I'm not sure what got less competitive, it seemed like a tight year for everything. There's probably a bit of carry-over from the decrease in residency positions in Ont last year, but it's a very small effect overall. It's impossible to tell at this stage what got less competitive, but I think FM may have received less interest than normal. More 2nd round spots in FM this year compared to previous years. I wonder how much of this is notion of across-the-board increased competitiveness is just perception rather than reality - without the hard data of the match stats, everyone only has an incomplete picture at best. Plenty of hearsay and conjecture complicating the interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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