Est ce que faire de la recherche augmente mes chances d’admission (du CEGEP)? Would research increase my chances of getting into pre-med from cegep?

[folklore]

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[AB2]

im sure it certainly helps, like many other things

[capoo]

4 hours ago, folklore said:

I have an opportunity to participate in research this fall, and possibly have my name on a published paper. However, I want to focus on getting my R score up this fall semester, as I’m on the low side (34.7). Will I be able to do the research all while raising my R score? Is it worth the time and effort? Would research on my CV actually help me get into med-p at mcgill, or any of the french schools? 

Thank you!!

McGill has a CV component where your research experience will matter (and might help you stand out from other cegep applicants who generally don’t have any research experience at all) but unfortunately this is not true for any of the French schools, they do not take ECs into account at all, they only look at your CASPer and MEM (French MMI) results!! The only way to make use of your research experience at the French schools is to try to show them what you learned from your research experience and how the experience helped you become a more well-rounded applicant, both on the CASPer and the MEM, but it’s quite a bit of a long shot because in the MEM/CASPer they don’t look at your experiences, they only look at your thought process and how you strive to be more well-rounded after each and every experience you have (so ultimately if you faced and overcame a large amount of stress trying to find a cure for 27 different types of cancer, or just to pass your Cal II final, it’s all the same in their eyes).

However, if you think the research opportunity is interesting to you, even if you don’t get into med, by all means do it! On the other hand, if you’re only doing it just to get into med school, know that it’s only going to help you marginally and you’d be better off trying to upgrade your R score to land a convocation at McGill (your CV counts for 10%, but your R score 70%), and UdeM (100% R score) as well as Sherbrooke (70% R score, 30% CASPer) during the meantime. Also, Laval convocations are 100% CASPer without any consideration for ECs, so you’re also better off preparing how to tackle your CASPer too.

[folklore]

On 7/24/2020 at 6:07 PM, keipop said:

McGill has a CV component where your research experience will matter (and might help you stand out from other cegep applicants who generally don’t have any research experience at all) but unfortunately this is not true for any of the French schools, they do not take ECs into account at all, they only look at your CASPer and MEM (French MMI) results!! The only way to make use of your research experience at the French schools is to try to show them what you learned from your research experience and how the experience helped you become a more well-rounded applicant, both on the CASPer and the MEM, but it’s quite a bit of a long shot because in the MEM/CASPer they don’t look at your experiences, they only look at your thought process and how you strive to be more well-rounded after each and every experience you have (so ultimately if you faced and overcame a large amount of stress trying to find a cure for 27 different types of cancer, or just to pass your Cal II final, it’s all the same in their eyes).

However, if you think the research opportunity is interesting to you, even if you don’t get into med, by all means do it! On the other hand, if you’re only doing it just to get into med school, know that it’s only going to help you marginally and you’d be better off trying to upgrade your R score to land a convocation at McGill (your CV counts for 20%, but your R score 70%), and UdeM (100% R score) as well as Sherbrooke (70% R score, 30% CASPer) during the meantime. Also, Laval convocations are 100% CASPer without any consideration for ECs, so you’re also better off preparing how to tackle your CASPer too.

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[Bambi]

1 hour ago, folklore said:

I have an opportunity to participate in research this fall, and possibly have my name on a published paper. However, I want to focus on getting my R score up this fall semester, as I’m on the low side (34.7). Will I be able to do the research all while raising my R score? Is it worth the time and effort? Would research on my CV actually help me get into med-p at mcgill, or any of the french schools? 

Thank you!!

NO, not worth it.

[folklore]

On 7/24/2020 at 6:28 PM, Bambi said:

NO, not worth it.

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[Bambi]

The time & effort is not worth the potential minimal return, keipop explained the rational. You have no idea whether lightning will strike from Cegep and if it does, where it will strike. MCGill is only one of four Quebec medical schools. In fact, if you were to be accepted at MCGill or UdeM, you would be better prepared for medical school, although not essential, at UdeM that has its preparatory year. And although you live in Montreal, notwithstanding appearances and convenience, you would be far better off going to Trois Rivieres and not Montreal, as 1. you will have more opportunities, 2. you are adjoining the hospital, 3. the class size is significantly smaller, 4. you are likely to network better for the future with your preceptors than elsewhere. If I were you, I would focus on maximizing my grades.

I went to a supposedly top Cegep, did not have the grades to even apply to med school and sent to university where I excelled as a straight A student, gained in maturity and was accepted into med school. The only thing I knew about research was how to spell it, lol. Immediately after 2nd year of med school, I  ollaborated with an upperclassman, we did a literature review in 3 weeks, got published and I was invited to make a presentation at the annual meeting of the specialists related to our literature review. It was sort of fun, did not help me whatsoever to attain my residency spot. Moving on, in residency, I was constantly doing research and preparing papers and presentations and ultimately for part of my rotation was required to do an extensive research rotation. It was only at that time that I truly learned about research and wrote numerous papers thT were published as well as book chapters. 
Do not concern yourself about research at this time, it is not worth the time and effort to gain a minimal advantage if any at one school only. Good luck! 

[folklore]

On 7/24/2020 at 7:02 PM, Bambi said:

The time & effort is not worth the potential minimal return, keipop explained the rational. You have no idea whether lightning will strike from Cegep and if it does, where it will strike. MCGill is only one of four Quebec medical schools. In fact, if you were to be accepted at MCGill or UdeM, you would be better prepared for medical school, although not essential, at UdeM that has its preparatory year. And although you live in Montreal, notwithstanding appearances and convenience, you would be far better off going to Trois Rivieres and not Montreal, as 1. you will have more opportunities, 2. you are adjoining the hospital, 3. the class size is significantly smaller, 4. you are likely to network better for the future with your preceptors than elsewhere. If I were you, I would focus on maximizing my grades.

I went to a supposedly top Cegep, did not have the grades to even apply to med school and sent to university where I excelled as a straight A student, gained in maturity and was accepted into med school. The only thing I knew about research was how to spell it, lol. Immediately after 2nd year of med school, I  ollaborated with an upperclassman, we did a literature review in 3 weeks, got published and I was invited to make a presentation at the annual meeting of the specialists related to our literature review. It was sort of fun, did not help me whatsoever to attain my residency spot. Moving on, in residency, I was constantly doing research and preparing papers and presentations and ultimately for part of my rotation was required to do an extensive research rotation. It was only at that time that I truly learned about research and wrote numerous papers thT were published as well as book chapters. 
Do not concern yourself about research at this time, it is not worth the time and effort to gain a minimal advantage if any at one school only. Good luck! 

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[capoo]

On 7/24/2020 at 6:21 PM, folklore said:

Thanks for your reply!! 
However, I thought UdeM was 50/50 for R score and Casper? Did that change?

 

edit: Also, isn’t the CV at McGill worth 10%?

I’m talking about “convocations” (aka interview invites), they invite people to the MEM (their equivalent of the MMIs, replaced by the CASPer this year, #justcovidthings) only based on their R scores, nothing else. After that, they look at your combined score (50% MEM, 10% CASPer, 40% R score, which became 50% CASPer and 50% R score this year due to the pandemic) and then decide whether you’re accepted, waitlisted, or refused based on the candidate pool!

And yeah for the CV it’s indeed worth 10%, I misremembered, my bad haha!

edit: UdeM did indeed announce that convocations will be based on 50% R score and 50% CASPer. Turns out you were right even before they announced it ahahah