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The teaching hospitals used in the first and second year and even in clerkship are mainly The Ottawa Hospital (General, Civic, and Riverside campuses), Heart Institute (which I'm pretty sure is part of TOH), ROMHC, and CHEO for the english stream and Montfort for the French stream. Other rural and community hospitals can be used for electives and the following are possibilities to choose from in the third year for Psychiatry, Surgery, and Obs/Gyn along with a number of other choices: Queensway Carleton, Cornwall Community Hospital, Winchester District Memorial Hospital, Pembroke Regional Hospital, Penetanguishene, Orillia, Guelph, Cobourg, Fergus, and Collingwood.

 

Apparently RGN houses: human kinetics, nursing, rehabilitation sciences, medicine, and some health sciences courses. It also includes several graduate laboratories including those for Cellular and Molecular Medicine.

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Hi,

 

It seems that ottawa med has implemented H/p/F in some parts of curriculum. For example "Performance in blocks is evaluated as Honours/ Pass/ Fail. The Physician Skills Development (PSD) course is evaluated as Pass/ Fail. The evaluation of professional behaviour will be expressed as Pass or Fail."

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any thoughts?

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That link is for Meds 2011 students, in my first year the Meds 2012 class lobbied the administration to change the program from H/P/F to only P/F so now all aspects of the curriculum are evaluated using the Pass/Fail system only.

 

wow, thanks.

 

they havent updated the link on uozone eh, got me a bit worried....

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Time to bring this thread back to life and update the great effort of classes before mine.

I encourage all of my classmates and other years currently at Ottawa to pitch in...

 

Ottawa tends to be low on people's radar, if you're not from Ottawa, probably because it's pretty far away from the GTA, and if you didn't have a reason to be here in your youth, you may have not visited Ottawa much or maybe not at all..

 

There are a tonne of great reasons to chose Ottawa if given the chance. I knew very little about the city myself when I got in and 6 month later or so, I've realized how happy I am that I ended up here. There are so many things I've found out about the city, the school and the program that I had no idea about before actually coming here.

 

So hopefully, this can prepare future prospects much better than I was, and shed some light on a great school and even better program.

 

Supa

 

 

If anyone wants to add anything, just reply in this thread!

  1. Vijay: our anglophone histology prof for memorizing 100 student names, for shaving his hair to raise money for cancer, and calling you "Smart girl" or "Smart guy." (g22g)
  2. TWO!! weeks of orientation (g22g)
  3. It's the closest Ontario school to Montreal.(noncestvrai)
  4. a guilt-free WORK-FREE weekend every 6 weeks (tt)
  5. protected nap..i mean..study time...(tt)
  6. CBLs starting on Monday/Tuesday and ending on Thursday/Friday which means you are forced to study at least a little bit from week to week. (g22g)
  7. Technology: entire curriculum is laptop and web-based. The freedom to choose your own computer has expanded, and medtech is still there to help.
  8. ...their Admissions office people really seem to care. I sent a wee note to Nicole a few weeks ago, inquiring about a few things. The Asst. Dean of Admissions sent me an e-mail at 7am yesterday morning (a Saturday), asking me to call him. Since I was on the computer at that time, and figured he'd be there, I did. His first question: "What Asst. Dean of Admissions in Canada would do this?" I had to give him that as this was the second time this year that I'd spoken to him early in morn. [it was Richard Hebert (please insert the accent, my keyboard is not compliant!). I find him to be perpetually helpful, insightful and generous with his time. ] It would be great to see some other schools follow suit. I've only been impressed by these guys...
    (Kirsteen)
    Update to this one, Chantal and Lynn are two of the nicest admissions people I've ever met.
    My first email to Ottawa Sept 9, 11:59 a.m. cheery response at 1:32 p.m. on the same day
    Second October 14 @ 8:40 pm... cheery response at 9:15 a.m October 15th
    Third October 15 @ 2:36 p.m. .... another cheery response 9 minute later.
    I pestered them with probably 10 more emails over the course of the year and it was rare that I didn't get a very nice e-mail back the same day, if not within the hour.
    (Supa)
  9. Clinical exposure - can start doing electives/observerships right away if you want to. There's protected time on our schedule to do it.(Tash000)
  10. Supportive staff - they actually ask for and respond to feedback . 3 years ago the students requested P/F replace H/P/F and the faculty listened. More more minor examples exist, but this one illustrates a big change. (Tash000)
  11. City - great urban and outdoor life. Clubs, restaurants, bars are great. Close to water and snow...almost everyone skiis or boards in my class...I'm trying to learn! Class -Post final exam trip to Tremblant in December! (Tash000)
  12. Systems based - just makes more sense. You learn everything about a single system at the same time with an emphasis on integration with other concepts.(Tash000)
  13. PEOPLE - great, relaxed group of people! This is the most important, I think. Super friendly and generally laid back students. If you crave competition, this isn't the place to be! (Tash000)
  14. E-curriculum - all the sources you need are at your fingertips. Also makes CBL a lot more interesting since you have diagnostic info integrated into the case (ie. videos of echos, heart sounds, etc.) (Tash000)
  15. Ottawa is bilingual, so is the university and the MD porgram. I believe it is part of our national culture/history and everybody who wish to honor our national tradition, improve their french and study medicine, should choose UO.
    (Tutifruiti) If you want to learn French, there are FREE courses at the school to do so!
  16. I love the E-curriculum, I download all the powerpoint presentation AND online notes on which I am able to take notes, highlight, underline. This is super cool since I don't have to carry huge binders (they grow very fast!) and am able to zoom on picture which are in colour! Paper notes users don't have that chance. Moreover, the library and classroom are all wired for internet so during a lecture if you don't understand something, you can immediately look online. Yep, I am very enthousiastic about the e-curriculum... it is a must for all computers and technology lovers!
    (Tutifruiti)
  17. Multiple methods of learning. Ottawa does this just as well as any school in Ontario, in first year we have didactic lecture MON/WED, small groups (8 or less) for Case based learning on TUES/FRI, individual self learning modules to be completed on your own time. Ottawa does not rely too heavily on any one learning modality. Some schools you can get beat down with long lecture hours and at others you can be sent on your way with little formal support. At Ottawa, if there is a good way to learn for you, chances are it's in the curriculum. (Supa/Sil)
  18. You have a lot of free time, at least 4 afternoons free per week. We are encouraged to follow physicians around to rule specialties in or out. I started doing a thoracic surgery elective and while in my first month in med school, I had my hand inside somebody's thoracic cage and was feeling a tumour. And I have classmates who have rotated throughout different specialties, seen births, etc. (Sil)
  19. The location of the school is great we are between 2 major teaching hospitals. The Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario which is great place to do rotations and work. And the Ottawa General Hospital. After classes you just have to walk over and do your elective. As well, within the city we have the Heart Institute which is world renown for cardiology. Ottawa being the second largest city in Ontario has specialists in every discipline and usually our tutors for CBL are specialists of whatever block we are studying (for example I had a cardiologist for cardiology, a nephrologist for renal, etc). You get a lot more exposure to rarer conditions here than some of the medical schools in smaller cities. (Sil)
  20. The Heart Institute deserves it's own post. Cardiology here is world class. All the doctors are AMAZING teachers for the most part. These guys know there stuff and are anxious to teach it to us. You can tell they're proud of what they do. The cardio unit is so well run, with great opportunities for additional learning and electives. I'm convinced we have the best cardiology teaching in the country.
  21. My classmates are great. I constantly get e-mails from individuals from the class (people that are not necessarily my friends) telling us about extra-resources that they have found on line, tables they have created or notes that they are sharing. As a class we are very cohesive. I find that med students in my class hang out together a lot of times (soccer games, movies together, girls and guys night out, block parties, diners, intramurals, etc, etc, etc). (Sil)
  22. I really like the e-curriculum. I cannot say enough about that. At the beginning of the block we are handed all of the notes that we need for the block (the power point presentations and extra writing the profs want us to have). These power point presentations are also available online. So I can make my notes directly on the computer. Many books are available online. The advantage is that I can go to the library with my laptop and my course notes and leave most of my books at home (my laptop is way lighter than Harrison's Internal medicine). As well, if I need to look up a medical term I don't need to carry with me (or borrow) a medical dictionary, is all online (provided by the university). Many of the extra materials are provided online also for example we got extra CDs with breath sounds, heart sounds, and extra random material some PBL tutors give us. A student was hired by the faculty and took pictures from prosections of anatomy specimens. I can easily study for this at home, at the library, from a PBL room, ie the night before an exam (well you get my drift. And without my laptop would I have enough time to check this site non-stop ? (Sil)
  23. I don`t find the med school location a bother at all....for us southend-ers it`s closer and has less traffic flow during rush hour. The 85 (bus) takes you downtown within a matter of 10 minutes. Altavista, although not a bustling neighbourhood, is fairly close to St. Laurent Blvd. which provides easy access to a huge mall, 24 eateries, golf courses, a Hooters, and the ever popular nuDEN!!! (James W.)
  24. As far as Ottawa goes as a city to live in...I've travelled and spent significant time in all major Canadian cities and have also spent time in many of the less-known cities...I would say I have a pretty good handle on what other Canadian cities are like. I would say, in my opinion, the three nicest places to live in Canada, in order of my personal preference are: Ottawa, Montreal, Vancouver. Ottawa is an amazing city. I lived here when I was younger and it was pretty lame with respect to night life, etc. Ottawa currently has a great night life scene...the market is really fun...and Hull is right next door. Good restaurents are everywhere. Ottawa is also very clean and safe, as major Canadian cities go. Our cost of living is also excellent relative to other major cities in Canada.
    Ottawa also has lots of great things to do outside...if you're sporty...there are miles and miles of bicycle/blading/running paths, we have the canal...the gatineau is right next door for hiking and cross-country skiing in the winter...we have world-class bass, pickerel/walleye, musky fishing within 15-30 minutes of downtown...(Peter Hill)
  25. Ottawa's a great place to visit. I did an away elective there and absolutely loved it. The downtown area is a lot of fun, and the staff and residents at the hospital were some of the happiest and friendliest that I've ever had the pleasure of working with. (Ian Wong) <-- it doesn't get more official than that haha.
  26. Because of the e-curriculum, you can confidently dose through lectures and know that you can download relatively detailed sets of notes for the classes you missed.*(Mistah Anderson)*mistah anderson does not advocate sleeping in class. However he currently holds the record for most classes slept thru for meds 2007.
  27. Our med school, is physically attached to *two* hospitals: the Ottawa General and the Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario. This means that not only do you have two training hospitals and two places to do on-site electives... but you also have multiple cafeterias to choose from for lunch, not to mention 4 coffee options Full service Timmies, Self serve Starbucks and Timothy's and a caf in the med school with it's own coffee.(Mistah Anderson)
  28. We get complementary newspapers each morning by stopping by the education office. (g22g)
  29. Like Mac you are relatively high on the teaching food chain (There aren't a great deal of residents between you and the patient). For instance great practical hands on expeirence like CABG. (Steph Macdonell)
  30. I am here. (Steph Macdonell)
  31. Beautiful scenere in Gatineau Park (Dave M.)
  32. Its great to come to Ottawa and see more Leaf's fans at the Scotia Bank place watching the Sens get whooped in overtime. (Demetrios S.)
  33. Ottawa has the best fan base and club for the Minor League Hockey. (Misha M.)
  34. Mentor night: about once a month or two you hang out for dinner and an activity with one or two physicans and few third, second, and first year colleagues. The docs typically pay. And if you happen to miss an activity they will call to check up on you to make sure everything is alright. For instance we are going skate the canal, try beavertails, and have dinner at their house this Feb. weekend. The entire project is lead coordinated by the med students.(g22g)
  35. Student leadership and Community health groups: First year students will be given the opportunity to mentor a child stricken with cancer, provide health education to high schoolers, coordinate a summer elective in Bear country, and attend weekly seminars on international health. Click here for details mededu.med.uottawa.ca/aesculapian/HTML/CommunityInternationalHealth/CommunityHealth/groups.htm (g22g)
  36. So you think you are SMRT? SMRT club: Stands for Seminars on manuscripts that Revolutionize Therapies: It’s a journal club organized by the first year class to cover tomorrow's therapies today. Sessions are lead by an enthusastic student and with the audience of a faculty member experienced in the topic of the month. Click here for the web page: mededu.med.uottawa.ca/meds2007/SMRT/ (g22g, shameless plug)
  37. EGSO, a group of forty first year students that work together to answer and share the learning objectives given by the faculty in a particular block. Student answers are further screened by two peer reviewers. Excellent collaboration!(g22g)
  38. Med Show!
  39. Our academic assistant dean shaved HER (yes.. HER) long blonde locks to raise money for paediatric cancer research!
  40. PSD (physician skills development) has you doing histories on REAL inpatients during the SECOND week of classes! I wasn't even out of orientation and I was sitting in the oncology floor, taking a history from a patient. It was scary and amazing at the same time. It was a great way to step into the career you're just starting to learn.
  41. Free shuttle bus to main campus (administrative stuff, gym, intramurals, etc) and to riverside and civic campuses of the ottawa hospital (electives, clerkship)
  42. Anatomy lab online! Cadaver pictures are labelled and all online so you're not in the anatomy lab with a bunch of cadavers by yourself on a tuesday night! Very well labelled and photographed. Great way to prepare for lab.
  43. Putting in a "Meds" volleyball/hockey/basketball team into the intramural league so you can relive your glory high school days of when you scored 4 touch downs in a single game for polk high.
  44. If you qualify for you provincial financial aid, you automatically received a $4500 bursary this year (2010/11)
  45. Beavertails - burning calories by skating 10 km on the canal, and then immediately eating them all back with a beavertail and hot chocolate at one of the huts on the canal is a fantastic pasttime
  46. The health sci library was completely renovated as of September 2010. As it stands, it's a pretty nice place to study.
  47. Ottawa is great for restaurants. If you compare it to Toronto, you may not think so, but it blows London, Hamilton and Kingston away (not that I'm picking on these cities, it's just that these are the only ones I have any experience with in the restaurant scene)
    There's the Byward Market which is loaded with bars and nicer restaurants, but we also have Elgin St., The Glebe, Westboro, Chinatown, Little Italy etc, that all have quality places to eat. This town is also overrun with shawarma places. Not to mention I just tried lobster poutine for the first time and it was an incredible experience.
  48. Do you like beer? Find someone with a car and head over the river to Gatineau. The Beer king sells plenty of great beers for a dollar a bottle/can. I paid $45 to buy a 24 of Blanche de Chambly at the London beerstore. I went over to Gatineau this fall and bought 24 bottle for $26. Made a second trip recently and all the Sleeman was under a dollar a bottle and I got a 24 of Heineken for $28... just unreal

*suggestions for extending the list are welcome!*

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I am not going to lie, before going to Ottawa for the interview I had ranked it as my last choice, now I have a lot of rethinking to do! Thanks ALOT Ottawa for being so nice and making me rethink my med school priorities! If I am blessed enough to receive acceptance here as well as my previous #1 choice, I am gunna be one excited/confused/unsure/super-happy/undecided little boy!

The ONLY thing I have against Ottawa is where it's located. It's so far away from my family and friends...

 

Edit: I also am not thrilled about having pre-dissected cadavers, I like dissecting...

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I am not going to lie, before going to Ottawa for the interview I had ranked it as my last choice, now I have a lot of rethinking to do! Thanks ALOT Ottawa for being so nice and making me rethink my med school priorities! If I am blessed enough to receive acceptance here as well as my previous #1 choice, I am gunna be one excited/confused/unsure/super-happy/undecided little boy!

The ONLY thing I have against Ottawa is where it's located. It's so far away from my family and friends...

 

Edit: I also am not thrilled about having pre-dissected cadavers, I like dissecting...

 

At Ottawa, you do have the chance to dissect by taking up dissection electives, where you spend about 10-12 hours in the lab dissecting out various organs. I was like you at first, a bit disappointed with having prosection instead of dissection, but you'll soon come to realize dissection is not that all exciting (unless you know you want to be a surgeon), it's over-rated, and to be frank, a waste of time. Most of dissecting is hacking away at fat and tissue. Also, when you dissect it yourself, you don't do as good of a job, often times destroying parts of the organ, surrounding tissues, and vessels. I have friends at a school that does dissection as part of the regular curriculum, and many of them say it's a waste of time. I think it's the whole premed fascination with cadavers.

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At Ottawa, you do have the chance to dissect by taking up dissection electives, where you spend about 10-12 hours in the lab dissecting out various organs. I was like you at first, a bit disappointed with having prosection instead of dissection, but you'll soon come to realize dissection is not that all exciting (unless you know you want to be a surgeon), it's over-rated, and to be frank, a waste of time. Most of dissecting is hacking away at fat and tissue. Also, when you dissect it yourself, you don't do as good of a job, often times destroying parts of the organ, surrounding tissues, and vessels. I have friends at a school that does dissection as part of the regular curriculum, and many of them say it's a waste of time. I think it's the whole premed fascination with cadavers.

 

Yeah, I agree. Problem is, I definitely want to be a surgeon... so I would really like all the experience in that area I can get. I did talk to a student before my interview there and they said that in the 10-12 hour elective you don't do the whole dissection though...

In the grand scheme of things it probably won't make that much of a difference, but for me it still is a negative point to U of O (but there are many more positives that I found than negatives :) )

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Yeah, I agree. Problem is, I definitely want to be a surgeon... so I would really like all the experience in that area I can get. I did talk to a student before my interview there and they said that in the 10-12 hour elective you don't do the whole dissection though...

In the grand scheme of things it probably won't make that much of a difference, but for me it still is a negative point to U of O (but there are many more positives that I found than negatives :) )

 

Frankly, I don't think you have a dilemma here. You're from the Canadian west and have had 3 interviews there and 1 in ON. There are only 3 options here (assuming you will be accepted):

 

1) You only get into Ottawa. You go (b/c it would be dumb not to) and enjoy your medical education.

 

2) You get into Ottawa and 1 or more western schools. You go to the school closer to home (seems like you want to stay closer to home?) with traditional dissections (not sure which of U/C, U/A, UBC has trad dissections).

 

3) You get into 1 or more western schools and not Ottawa. No dilemma here either.

 

ps: Which surgical sub-specialty are you interested in? (just out of curiosity) I agree with your sentiments about traditional dissections. Likewise, I have an interest in surgery and I think there is no better way to build a strong foundation than get the (unbelievable) opportunity to explore the human body inside/out with your hands.

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Biased as an Ottawa student of course... lack of dissection anatomy would be the very last thing to keep you out of an Ortho program.

 

The family vs. program issue is a big decision to make, but don't let the lack of dissection anatomy sway you away. As you've heard, you can do dissection electives, and even if you don't do a single one, you'll still have more than enough opportunity to work towards a career as an Orthopod... as long as you don't mind the absent life element haha.

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Dissection is amazing, one of the best experiences i've had in medical school, and 12 hours is def not enough to go through the whole human body (we had about 100 hours and we didn't even dissect everything).

However, from my point of view, it will NOT make you a better surgeon, and you will NOT be better prepared for a surgery residency, whether you do prossection, dissection or nothing at all.

 

Peace

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Haha yeah I know it won't make me a better surgeon. But the one of the many reasons I want to be a surgeon is because I love to learn through my hands and explore and, while I haven't dissected a cadaver, it seems to me like going through a whole person, layer by layer, would really help me understand the body's organization. I realize that everything that is relevant will be covered whether or not I am directly involved in the dissection, however, part of me really wants to do it myself. I am a really big geek and have actually watched a cadaver dissection from start to finish (Yes that is a LOOOT of time!!) and it seems so incredibly interesting.

 

At the end of the day my decision will obviously not be made based on dissection vs no dissection. I was merely stating that it is something that one school I applied to has and U of O doesn't. My original post was stating that I really like U of O, much more than I anticipated.

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For anyone that may not know, I think the accreditation report speaks for itself:

 

http://www.media.uottawa.ca/mediaroom/news-details_2162.html

 

pretty impressive!

 

Thats pretty damn impressive, and frankly, more meaningful than any ranking (cough cough....Macleans) of reputation of medical schools that alot of us fall prey too.

 

I would love to go to ottawa! :)

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It is not all bells and whistles at OttawaU medical school. I have many friends studying there, MS3s and MS2s, who do not have much positive things to say. Many of them had told me that they should have chosen UWO over Ottawa U, when they got into both ... Ottawa definitely might have its pluses but Ive heard that there is a huge disconnect between you and the curriculum/professors (cough, they dont know how to teach so Ive heard), some may argue that you dont need to be taught in medicine, well that might be true, why not do away with all pedagogical material and make it self-learning inside out. I might be biased since I chose some other school over Ottawa U for these and many other reasons, but something those people who have a choice to make should consider.

 

For multicultural fanatics, Ive also heard that majority of class is white and east asian, there are only somewhere 2-5 black people in MS2 and MS3 combined. So that is something to consider if you are a multicultural sort of person.

 

So they are suggesting that the primary issue is teaching of the preclerkship material? Always useful to hear other perspectives on things :)

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Different people will have different issues. I went to UofT for undergrad, and so did most of my friends who are at UOttawa Med. They have found it quite hard to get used to the way medicine is being taught at Uottawa, compared to lets say UofT med where I also have many friends. Again, different things work for different people but people who like learning things the "Uoft way," they might take time to get adjusted to the way its being taught at Uottawa (very similar to Mac).

 

Another issue friends have mentioned is that since the ottawa med school is not in downtown, they have to commute to go to fun things. While this might not be issue for people who like to take bus, people who are used to UofT St george campus where everything is at walking distance, this aint happening.

 

The med school I go to has its own issues but thankfully I found it easy to adjust into this curriculum, compared to lets say if I was uottawa med.

 

could you please expand on this? from what i understand uOttawa is systems based, which is the format most four year programs follow. mac and uofc are integrated in that they combine units together that tend to overlap (renal/endocrine...blood/gi). uottawa teaches one system at a time.

 

what med school do you attend, and what is the learning style please?

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could you please expand on this? from what i understand uOttawa is systems based, which is the format most four year programs follow. mac and uofc are integrated in that they combine units together that tend to overlap (renal/endocrine...blood/gi). uottawa teaches one system at a time.

 

what med school do you attend, and what is the learning style please?

 

My school is systems based as well. My school has some problem based learning but its heavy on didactic teaching, which fits well with my traditional way of learning. I am not talking about that when I criticized Ottawa med though. I am talking about delivery of that material by clinicians there. Every new lecture, my friends say they have a new lecturer even if the two lectures are extremely closely linked. So they have to adapt to new teaching style every hour of lecture they get. For some it might not be an issue, for others it is as they have to get used to new powerpoint notes presentation etc.

 

Ive also heard that pathology and radiology is extremely poorly taught. I had to tell my friend to use Robbin's Pathology, she was never recommended to use that book by any of her patho professors, which I found quite shocking. another MS2 friend also told me that they were being taught about fractures in radio, by an orthopod, while the week's theme was microbio :s

 

i researched these things myself as well 3 years ago when I had to make a decision about which school to go to. I understand that was first year with new curriculum and things were all over the place.

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My school is systems based as well. My school has some problem based learning but its heavy on didactic teaching, which fits well with my traditional way of learning. I am not talking about that when I criticized Ottawa med though. I am talking about delivery of that material by clinicians there. Every new lecture, my friends say they have a new lecturer even if the two lectures are extremely closely linked. So they have to adapt to new teaching style every hour of lecture they get. For some it might not be an issue, for others it is as they have to get used to new powerpoint notes presentation etc.

 

Ive also heard that pathology and radiology is extremely poorly taught. I had to tell my friend to use Robbin's Pathology, she was never recommended to use that book by any of her patho professors, which I found quite shocking. another MS2 friend also told me that they were being taught about fractures in radio, by an orthopod, while the week's theme was microbio :s

 

i researched these things myself as well 3 years ago when I had to make a decision about which school to go to. I understand that was first year with new curriculum and things were all over the place.

 

sorry, which medical school are you attending?

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Hmm...a puzzle! Based on the quoted previous posts, my guess is that optho_gunner goes to UWO.

 

I wouldn't mind him...I believe he's the same idiot who said that anyone who doesn't refer to every phd on the planet as dr. is ignorant and arrogant :P

 

 

thanks. i'll definitely keep this in mind. :)

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Hmm...a puzzle! Based on the quoted previous posts, my guess is that optho_gunner goes to UWO.

 

I wouldn't mind him...I believe he's the same idiot who said that anyone who doesn't refer to every phd on the planet as dr. is ignorant and arrogant :P

 

Yup, a puzzle for those with nothing more productive to do. Keep on solving the puzzle, Dr. dim-wit. :P

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