smile Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 this is CRAZY: http://premed101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31735 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochi1543 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 LOL, I think this has been posted in every single forum now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpanishFly Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 on a related (although not as controversial) note on the slow demise of family medicine: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/02/20/nurse-practitioner.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 on a related (although not as controversial) note on the slow demise of family medicine: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/02/20/nurse-practitioner.html Like you said not as controversial - nurses have heaven forbid actual real medical training I think as long as the serious doctor shortage continues it is only natural for these alternatives to continue to pop up everywhere. The situation as it stands is just not sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Like you said not as controversial - nurses have heaven forbid actual real medical training I think as long as the serious doctor shortage continues it is only natural for these alternatives to continue to pop up everywhere. The situation as it stands is just not sustainable. It's less controversial than NP, but it's still bad. I think they will be great for routine visits for people wanting contraception or for UTIs, but anything more than that and they're starting to risk letting some serious pathology go unnoticed at the risk of patient safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 It's less controversial than NP, but it's still bad. I think they will be great for routine visits for people wanting contraception or for UTIs, but anything more than that and they're starting to risk letting some serious pathology go unnoticed at the risk of patient safety. The problem is the flip side. The "we might miss something" is the standard (and logical) response to anyone but a fully trained doctor doing an examination. The problem is there aren't enough full trained doctors, and there aren't going to be for a VERY long time, so things are being missed because NO ONE is looking at a big, big part of the population. And it will get worse - Even now doctors are retiring at a rate faster than training, we have serious shortage already, demand is going to increase, health care budgets are stretched to the maximum with year over year increases at rates higher than inflation (and therefore demanding more and more of the tax base)........etc No one is going to wave a magic wand, I much as I really wish they could, and create a huge number of additional doctors How many serious pathologies go unnoticed because it impossible to 1) get an actual doctors appointment in a timely fashion and 2) about 20% of us cannot get a family doctor? How many people die because of it, or are seriously injured? We have a choice to make - risk some pathologies going unnoticed by some lessor trained professional body (but please not the naturopaths, oh please) or risk pathologies going unnoticed because they aren't seen at all. We can take steps to minimize the damage by either choice but I don't think we can avoid making one sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Law Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 http://premed101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21377&highlight=naturopathic+quackery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrhumble Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Hmmm Interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Cave Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 We have a choice to make - risk some pathologies going unnoticed by some lessor trained professional body (but please not the naturopaths, oh please) or risk pathologies going unnoticed because they aren't seen at all. We can take steps to minimize the damage by either choice but I don't think we can avoid making one sooner or later. It's not a case of just missing stuff but a case doing harm with wrong diagnoses and inappropriate treatment even with correct diagnoses, e.g. garlic and herbs is a flavour of cheese dip not an HIV therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benito Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I'm starting prenat101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 It's not a case of just missing stuff but a case doing harm with wrong diagnoses and inappropriate treatment even with correct diagnoses, e.g. garlic and herbs is a flavour of cheese dip not an HIV therapy. Precisely why I don't think naturopaths should be treating things like a doctor does I am still in shock they would even consider that. A well trained nurse is at least an entirely different category. And garlic and herbs is most excellent on warm fresh bagels as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 And garlic and herbs is most excellent on warm fresh bagels as well. Seconded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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