UBCmed09 Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I humbly suggest having a quick peek at this video: Cheers, UBCmed09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochi1543 Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I LOL'd, predictable as it was. Going on my FB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I thought I found another funny sketch, I thought it was funny, but the fact that its real and in the news made me sad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I humbly suggest having a quick peek at this video: Cheers, UBCmed09 Health Warning: don't watch this video while eating. You are at risk of choking while laughing. It's too funny for words. Thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I have a friend graduating from Homeopathic Medicine next spring--I'm forwarding this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 You have to go to school to be a homeopath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 You have to go to school to be a homeopath? The HD (Is that right?) seems to be a longer process than an MD! She is working in obstetrics right now. I keep asking her questions "politely" so that I can figure it all out, but I'm still confused over what she is going to end up doing. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochi1543 Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 One of my friends just got into an ND program. I don't know why she'd do something like that, I've tried to pitch med to her before, since she's a pretty smart chick, but she's told me that medicine is just too intense for her (she's already in healthcare, by the way, and very good at her job). I guess ND is the "easy" way to get to call yourself Dr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 One of my friends just got into an ND program. I don't know why she'd do something like that, I've tried to pitch med to her before, since she's a pretty smart chick, but she's told me that medicine is just too intense for her (she's already in healthcare, by the way, and very good at her job). I guess ND is the "easy" way to get to call yourself Dr? ND...that's right. I don't know how easy it is--they seem to have an awful lot of exams each semester. I find it really odd because my friend was studying (and received a degree in) pharmacy first! Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochi1543 Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 ND...that's right. I don't know how easy it is--they seem to have an awful lot of exams each semester. I find it really odd because my friend was studying (and received a degree in) pharmacy first! Lol. I dunno, I looked at an ND program at one point, and half their curriculum was about gardening, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I dunno, I looked at an ND program at one point, and half their curriculum was about gardening, lol. That's a lot of exams on gardening. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayven Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I wonder how stressful it must be to be a homeopath. Have any homeopaths ever mis-prescribed and killed one of their patients? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 The HD (Is that right?) seems to be a longer process than an MD! She is working in obstetrics right now. I keep asking her questions "politely" so that I can figure it all out, but I'm still confused over what she is going to end up doing. Lol. Scamming gullible people out of their money. That's what she'll be doing. Also, the only way a homeopath could kill someone with their "prescriptions" is if the person drowned in it. They sell water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Scamming gullible people out of their money. That's what she'll be doing. Also, the only way a homeopath could kill someone with their "prescriptions" is if the person drowned in it. They sell water. Some of the stuff is actually dangerous--eucalyptus oils and the like--for pregnant women, babies, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mei_Mei_girl Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 There seems to be alot of negativity towards natural medicines in general (which I can understand). However, I don't think as future practitioners we should forget that some patients will highly value natural medicines (such as some Aboriginal peoples wish to incorporate tradiational healing with conventional medicine), and openly ridiculing their methods are not warranted. I'm not saying this to be controversial, but just to bring the point of reference of the multi-cultural society we live in, and working with patients as partners in their care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayven Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Some patients believe in televangelist healing. Should we support that too? I don't really consider homeopathy to be "natural" either. Well, besides it being 99.99999999% water. It's not that natural to find 1 part caffeine in 1 billion parts water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 There seems to be alot of negativity towards natural medicines in general (which I can understand). However, I don't think as future practitioners we should forget that some patients will highly value natural medicines (such as some Aboriginal peoples wish to incorporate tradiational healing with conventional medicine), and openly ridiculing their methods are not warranted. I'm not saying this to be controversial, but just to bring the point of reference of the multi-cultural society we live in, and working with patients as partners in their care. The only thing that would stop my babies from crying when they were teething was a homeopathic medicine. The moment you put it in their mouths they would stop screaming (every single time) and absolutely nothing else worked. I had my family doctor look at the contents first, of course, and while he couldn't figure out why the flowers would stop them from crying he claimed there was nothing listed to hurt them either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochi1543 Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 There seems to be alot of negativity towards natural medicines in general (which I can understand). However, I don't think as future practitioners we should forget that some patients will highly value natural medicines (such as some Aboriginal peoples wish to incorporate tradiational healing with conventional medicine), and openly ridiculing their methods are not warranted. I'm not saying this to be controversial, but just to bring the point of reference of the multi-cultural society we live in, and working with patients as partners in their care. I see what you mean, and I think it's important that patients are told about 1)evidence-based medicine 2) potential dangers of homeopathic treatments. To loosely quote my DL preceptor, "if the extract of bat poo really worked for cancer, we'd have a medical school named after the inventor by now" - i.e. if any of that stuff actually had some merit to it, conventional medicine would be all over it by now. But studies prove it doesn't, and so bat poo is not part of medical prescriptions. Also, in a pharma lecture we were shown an interesting slide referring to a research study published in, I think, BMJ (or some other major medical journal), which showed that if patients are given placebo, there's a 20% success rate. If the same placebo is given by someone who claims to be an alternative medicine specialist, the success rate is 37%. It's all in your head....it's just too bad that people are drained of copious amounts of money and exposed to arsenic and mercury in questionable preparations to achieve said placebo effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopeful Med Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Did you know that Homeopathic training is every second weekend for around 6 months over a 3 year period? You don't need undergrad. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Did you know that Homeopathic training is every second weekend for around 6 months over a 3 year period? You don't need undergrad. Enough said. Depends on the school I guess. I find it interesting that (when looking at their websites) the majority of their classes are made up of females. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopeful Med Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Depends on the school I guess. I find it interesting that (when looking at their websites) the majority of their classes are made up of females. Just like med school............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Just like med school............ Lol--nah, I mean it's really difficult to see even one guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mei_Mei_girl Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Thats an interesting point. With our multi-cultural society it seems like many people have beliefs of what "works" and "what doesn't." I would be weary to tamper with their beleifs and potentially discredit the benefit that could come from them. But as you say, I think it is important to also inform patients of evidence-based practise, and also the potential dangers of some of the natural medicines out there. Well said! Also, in a pharma lecture we were shown an interesting slide referring to a research study published in, I think, BMJ (or some other major medical journal), which showed that if patients are given placebo, there's a 20% success rate. If the same placebo is given by someone who claims to be an alternative medicine specialist, the success rate is 37%. It's all in your head....it's just too bad that people are drained of copious amounts of money and exposed to arsenic and mercury in questionable preparations to achieve said placebo effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 However, I don't think as future practitioners we should forget that some patients will highly value natural medicines (such as some Aboriginal peoples wish to incorporate tradiational healing with conventional medicine), and openly ridiculing their methods are not warranted. As long as they making wild claims about products that have been shown to have zero effect on conditions and taking sick people's money from it, they deserve every bit of ridicule they get. As "future practitioners" your job is also to ensure that your patients are getting the best possible care and are informed of the evidence that supports or disproves various treatment options. You can tell them that they can take gingo bolova all they want, but it's not going to help treat their schizophrenia (to use a pt I had recently) and that the guy/girl telling them that it will is flat out wrong. You can tell them that they can spend their money on it if they want to (for cultural reasons etc.), but it's not going to do anything except empty their wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Stark Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 There seems to be alot of negativity towards natural medicines in general (which I can understand). However, I don't think as future practitioners we should forget that some patients will highly value natural medicines (such as some Aboriginal peoples wish to incorporate tradiational healing with conventional medicine), and openly ridiculing their methods are not warranted. I'm not saying this to be controversial, but just to bring the point of reference of the multi-cultural society we live in, and working with patients as partners in their care. 1) The natural vs. synthetic dichotomy is entirely arbitrary and irrelevant. There is no shortage of common pharmaceutical agents that are derived from plants and other "natural" sources (e.g. digitalis). 2) Homeopathy is not "natural" or part of any historic cultural tradition. It's based on the non-scientific notion that "like treats like", so that you might treat the symptoms of arsenic poisoning by taking an extremely diluted concoction of water and an insignificant amount of arsenic. Nothing homeopathic has any pharmacologic basis and it is simply fraudulent. 3) It's true that many people will value the use of culturally-specific *traditional* medicine, but there is nothing more "natural" (much less effective) about any of it. 4) Ridicule is entirely appropriate for homeopathy, belief in acupuncture "meridians", "holistic" healing through manipulation of "energy", crystals, hydrotherapy, or therapeutic touch, and for credence given to imaginary conditions like systemic candida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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