Prothrombin Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 When you guys say publications are you referring to the finished paper itself or having it actually published in a journal? I'm working in a lab right now and I was told my name would be in the paper, but if it doesn't get submitted can I still say its been published? Or only that I worked on a paper but it never got anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genemo Posted June 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 When you guys say publications are you referring to the finished paper itself or having it actually published in a journal? I'm working in a lab right now and I was told my name would be in the paper, but if it doesn't get submitted can I still say its been published? Or only that I worked on a paper but it never got anywhere? I think I mean published paper. Paper in writing is exciting for who did the research but it doesnt really mean anything to other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prothrombin Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 I'dbe happy if I was listed as an author at all. Thats something I can take with me to the bank, and would look pretty cool on a med app, even though i'm sure lots of other apps have publications too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starling Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 When you guys say publications are you referring to the finished paper itself or having it actually published in a journal? Published in a journal, or at least accepted for publication. I'm working in a lab right now and I was told my name would be in the paper, but if it doesn't get submitted can I still say its been published? No, if it isn't published, don't say it is! If it hasn't been accepted for publication, it doesn't really count for anything. Sometimes you can get away with saying "submitted", but that's not really worth much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfieMike Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Published in a journal, or at least accepted for publication. No, if it isn't published, don't say it is! If it hasn't been accepted for publication, it doesn't really count for anything. Sometimes you can get away with saying "submitted", but that's not really worth much. exactly. But what ever you do, don't ever, EVER, say that you have a publication "in progress" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starling Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 exactly. But what ever you do, don't ever, EVER, say that you have a publication "in progress" haha, totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Law Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 No, if it isn't published, don't say it is! If it hasn't been accepted for publication, it doesn't really count for anything. Sometimes you can get away with saying "submitted", but that's not really worth much. exactly. But what ever you do, don't ever, EVER, say that you have a publication "in progress" You can still say that it's under-review. U of T actually asks you to enter your journal submissions for their graduate supplementary package. I think it's one way for schools to guage grad school productivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTPEOPLE Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 exactly. But what ever you do, don't ever, EVER, say that you have a publication "in progress" I guess it all depends on how much emphasis you put on research in your app... If you want to make research a cornerstone of your app... then trying to say that a pub is in progress will look like you are just trying to pad your resume and make yourself to be more awesome than you actually are. And then the adcoms will have every reason to rip into you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfieMike Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 You can still say that it's under-review. U of T actually asks you to enter your journal submissions for their graduate supplementary package. I think it's one way for schools to guage grad school productivity. no law I meant "in progress" as in "I'm in the process of preparing a manuscript" as opposed to "I've actually submitted the damn thing", which is a hell of a big difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Law Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 no law I meant "in progress" as in "I'm in the process of preparing a manuscript" as opposed to "I've actually submitted the damn thing", which is a hell of a big difference LOL, oh "in progress"... sorry I misunderstood! If I could say "in progress" I'd say I have 10 manuscripts going at the same time. [OK not really, but you know what i mean] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bored Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 You can still say that it's under-review. U of T actually asks you to enter your journal submissions for their graduate supplementary package. I think it's one way for schools to guage grad school productivity. so if I did some unpaid research that did not result in any publication, would not go into research? instead it would be extra-curricular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost__in__space Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 I've been very impressed with the amount of MD students at UofT that has participated in significant research projects. Many people in first year have papers, abstracts, patents or international podium presentations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<abstract> Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 I have submitted a paper for publication as first author and I submitted the abstract to an international conference, it will likely get approved. I have to admit, publishing by third year of undergrad is tough and requires a lot of commitment. I have spent 2 years in a lab and countless days/ weeks preparing/ writing the paper. From what I know, it is rare for undergrads to publish, and it really only should be done if your are interested in research in the first place. I am really sick of some of the premeds on here asking how to get publications and thinking that it should be handed to them to pad there stinking little resumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osteon Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 1st author publication by first semester of 3th year undergrad.....went to an international conference as a speaker also third year as well. Got accepted into a research fellowship at a Top 5 biomedical research institution with a 2% acceptance rate during my third year. ...another co-first author review paper on stem cell/regenerative medicine during my fourth year. It's very much doable....You just have to work hard. Don't lead people astray here with your subtle superiority complex. More importantly, for undergrads wanting to get a 1st author paper, is luck. Quite a few profs won't let an undergrad be 1st author period. Even 4th year students don't really know what they're doing with research. The majority of profs wouldn't let a 2nd year be 1st author as they simply do not know the fundamentals of research or the field by 2nd year (I anticipate a response from you on this point, so I state in advance that I don't care how much you think you knew about research or your area of research back then. Following a recipe book doesn't make you a chef). So, consider yourself lucky, regardless of how hard you worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost__in__space Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Don't lead people astray here with your subtle superiority complex. More importantly, for undergrads wanting to get a 1st author paper, is luck. Quite a few profs won't let an undergrad be 1st author period. Even 4th year students don't really know what they're doing with research. The majority of profs wouldn't let a 2nd year be 1st author as they simply do not know the fundamentals of research or the field by 2nd year (I anticipate a response from you on this point, so I state in advance that I don't care how much you think you knew about research or your area of research back then. Following a recipe book doesn't make you a chef). So, consider yourself lucky, regardless of how hard you worked. Hey Osteon, where are you MD/PhD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holiday1001 Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Don't lead people astray here with your subtle superiority complex. More importantly, for undergrads wanting to get a 1st author paper, is luck. Quite a few profs won't let an undergrad be 1st author period. Even 4th year students don't really know what they're doing with research. The majority of profs wouldn't let a 2nd year be 1st author as they simply do not know the fundamentals of research or the field by 2nd year (I anticipate a response from you on this point, so I state in advance that I don't care how much you think you knew about research or your area of research back then. Following a recipe book doesn't make you a chef). So, consider yourself lucky, regardless of how hard you worked. agreed. and it's not that "subtle" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lactic Folly Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Perhaps it varies according to the field of research - I could see this happening in a non-basic science environment, where the student is in charge of their own project (writing/computer-based) under direct faculty supervision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrenchToast Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I have multiple first author publications. They are case reports in throw away journals that have readerships that number the count of fingers on one hand. I suspect this was meant to be cynical, but I actually really appreciate the honesty. Truly made me smile. (Weird, I know.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surferdoc Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 I was lucky to get a 1st author in 4th year. It was a lot of work that went beyond my time in undergrad to write, re-write, submit, re-write, so-on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Yeah, like there were some profs that wanted to do cross disciplinary stuff (they were in social and humanities psych) that would have let me run the project, but i already had like some years of research in bio psych, so social sciences it's possible much more so in non basic science... design, stats, networking with say imaging guys to do a bio-social psych laison... very diff than learning basic lab skills in basic science... that takes way longer Perhaps it varies according to the field of research - I could see this happening in a non-basic science environment, where the student is in charge of their own project (writing/computer-based) under direct faculty supervision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boourns Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 I personally have 4 first author publications in mid-high impact journals published/accepted and 2 additional ones submitted- BUT I'm also starting my 4th year of grad school. Honestly, it does depend a lot on area and experimental design and also quite frankly luck, in addition to time commitment to get a first author paper. As an undergrad, with all you have going on, I'm not sure it's feasible to have a first author publication given the time constraints. My personal opinion as well as many other academics also feel that if you're first author on a paper with only 2-4 authors, that says a lot more than being first author on a paper with 10 authors - there have even been research studies looking at this issue. With that being said, I know labs that do a lot of paper/presentation padding where basically everyone in the lab is included on a paper as an author even if they only proofreaded one paragraph - if you're lucky enough to find one of these labs you could get 2nd, 3rd beyond author. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Abregu Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I gain from here new thought about 1st author publication. It's very much doable....You just have to work hard. montreal office supplies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzah Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I was lucky to get a 1st author in 4th year. It was a lot of work that went beyond my time in undergrad to write, re-write, submit, re-write, so-on. Spent third and fourth year working towards my first (and only) first author. Picked up a few mid authors along the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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